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POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
It's almost as if that was just an obvious lie that only really ignorant people would swallow.
It's almost as if that was just an obvious lie that only really ignorant people would swallow.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
And this is why I love reading these threads. The historical gems tucked in with the snark.
And this is why I love reading these threads. The historical gems tucked in with the snark.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/malcolm-turnbull-donald-trump-pena-nieto/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/malcolm-turnbull-donald-trump-pena-nieto/index.html
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
I am rather familiar with the whole MX cartel thing/related, and MX has not had a handle on this since it all started (Pablo). It's a completely different culture in the bribe-or-die department, much different than the mafias we've experienced in the US. There is no negotiation. You are bribed, or you are targeted/die. It's gotten better compared to when the Zetas first came onto the scene, but that is not saying much. Here, the underworld may negotiate. There, it's a yes or no question.
It's a deep-rooted problem, that does extend to official politics, and it's quite a conundrum to unravel. It might indeed take an outside force to clean up, but the Mexican officials/populace are a proud group, who insist they can do it themselves, with no help from anyone, especially the US. There's a special sort of hatred (for lack of a better word) for us.
Think: the classic CIA/FBI rivalry here, but on a much bigger and more deadly scale.
I am rather familiar with the whole MX cartel thing/related, and MX has not had a handle on this since it all started (Pablo). It's a completely different culture in the bribe-or-die department, much different than the mafias we've experienced in the US. There is no negotiation. You are bribed, or you are targeted/die. It's gotten better compared to when the Zetas first came onto the scene, but that is not saying much. Here, the underworld may negotiate. There, it's a yes or no question.
It's a deep-rooted problem, that does extend to official politics, and it's quite a conundrum to unravel. It might indeed take an outside force to clean up, but the Mexican officials/populace are a proud group, who insist they can do it themselves, with no help from anyone, especially the US. There's a special sort of hatred (for lack of a better word) for us.
Think: the classic CIA/FBI rivalry here, but on a much bigger and more deadly scale.
Spartanforlife4
Generic Catchy Message
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Apparently we hate Australia now.
How has it only been 13 days?
Apparently we hate Australia now.
How has it only been 13 days?
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Sorta. Boots on the ground, yes. Attack....that language is gray. I am against attack, for obvious reasons. Assist and enforce anti-illegal immigration and anti-cartel operations? I'm all for.
Sorta. Boots on the ground, yes. Attack....that language is gray. I am against attack, for obvious reasons. Assist and enforce anti-illegal immigration and anti-cartel operations? I'm all for.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Careful. Even the CNN story that Clown linked to won't go there. Reports of the actual transcript are "conflicting".
Careful. Even the CNN story that Clown linked to won't go there. Reports of the actual transcript are "conflicting".
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Oh, as long it's a nice violation of sovereignty it should be cool.
FOH dummy.
Oh, as long it's a nice violation of sovereignty it should be cool.
FOH dummy.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Our army. Enforcing laws. In a sovereign nation.
How is that not an invasion? JFC
Our army. Enforcing laws. In a sovereign nation.
How is that not an invasion? JFC
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
You do realize that the US has been assisting MX since the Pablo days, correct? Maybe off the books, but still assisting. This one appears to be on the books. Might wanna read up on history.
You do realize that the US has been assisting MX since the Pablo days, correct? Maybe off the books, but still assisting. This one appears to be on the books. Might wanna read up on history.
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Next time, grab the bottle and a baseball mitt, and head to your driveway. Yell "I GOT IT!" then chug.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Sending in a half dozen/dozen special ops on a black helicopter to help Mexixo eliminate a cartel king-pin is not the same as sending a whole battalion to set up a base of operations under the guise of helping Mexico.
Unless you just want to say Operation Desert Shield was just us helping Iraq like we want to help Mexico...
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
All we have to do is legalize weed, cheaper and less risk.
All we have to do is legalize weed, cheaper and less risk.
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
I agree, although it's the meth that is the drug of choice for the most part nowadays.
I agree, although it's the meth that is the drug of choice for the most part nowadays.
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Are we importing it now? Serious question, I thought it was domestically sourced.
Are we importing it now? Serious question, I thought it was domestically sourced.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides
Oh yeah. Much easier to get your hands on the base materials in Mexico these days, than in Indiana. The meth states all track sales of stuff like pseudo-ephedrine cold pills to people's government IDs now, and you get flagged for further investigation if you buy too much in a month.
Oh yeah. Much easier to get your hands on the base materials in Mexico these days, than in Indiana. The meth states all track sales of stuff like pseudo-ephedrine cold pills to people's government IDs now, and you get flagged for further investigation if you buy too much in a month.
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