POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Nobody hates Hillary. Nobody hates Gore or Kerry. But they were sh-t candidates. When a product doesn't don't blame the consumers.

Wrong. They hate Hillary. The other two, no, but her? Yeah, they ****ing hate her.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Wrong. They hate Hillary. The other two, no, but her? Yeah, they ****ing hate her.

The people on the left? Some might I guess but the anger is more directed at establishment dems who constantly ignore them than her specifically.

 

[dave122793]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

This is very true. We're about to see what America is actually made of.

If the outcomes to the 2018 midterms are the typical ones where the president's party loses a few seats, or maybe even more than a few and that is the extent of it, then it proves the worst of what I fear. But if we're an actual thinking and open minded group of people, like the optimists seem to want to believe, then the 2018 midterms should be a wave election. republicans will be swept out of power in places from one corner of the country to the other. I'm not holding my breath. And this is beside the fear that our elections are not on the up-and-up.

I think it will be a smaller "sweep" than many of us are hoping for. I think it's clear that racism is not a deal breaker for a large majority of R voters. Only a huge turnout from the D's can swing the pendulum back the other way. The "centrist" R's are suffering from the "both sides are bad so vote R" syndrome and they aren't likely to flip.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

The people on the left? Some might I guess but the anger is more directed at establishment dems who constantly ignore them than her specifically.

Sure, ignored. They're getting so much more love now, aren't they? Obama did as much as he could for them and they spit on him and stayed home.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Well, one other thing could change. The Democratic party could starting running candidates who don't actively disgust half the people who would consider voting for us given half a chance. The Democratic party could realize they are selling a product, not delivering an edict to be obeyed with downcast eyes.

Stop putting poison on the counter and demanding that it's a moral obligation to swallow it. That's not leadership, it's Jonestown.

Kep, I'm going to put aside your obsession with Bernie and point out that Dems didn't show up in 2010 or 2014 as well, where to my knowledge it was Obama and his legacy on the line. Mid-terms matter. The sooner you figure that out, and stop blaming lefty inertia in those elections on a person who wasn't on the ballot the sooner you transition into becoming part of the solution instead of part of the problem as you are currently.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Kep, I'm going to put aside your obsession with Bernie and point out that Dems didn't show up in 2010 or 2014 as well, where to my knowledge it was Obama and his legacy on the line. Mid-terms matter. The sooner you figure that out, and stop blaming lefty inertia in those elections on a person who wasn't on the ballot the sooner you transition into becoming part of the solution instead of part of the problem as you are currently.

^^^^^^^

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Obama did as much as he could for them

I mean he really didn't though...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

I mean he really didn't though...

Uh, yeah, he did. He was fighting a ****tard named Turtle Boy the whole way. He passed Health Care which was something they had been screaming about for decades. He did as many executive orders as he could but after Obamacare he couldn't pass any legislation. It was never going to happen. He blew his wad the first two years and did as much as he could after.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Mid-terms matter. The sooner you figure that out, and stop blaming lefty inertia in those elections on a person who wasn't on the ballot the sooner you transition into becoming part of the solution instead of part of the problem as you are currently.

What makes you think liberals stay home in the midterms? It may be moderates. In my experience on both sides the extremists are far more committed and savvy than moderates. One of the differences in voter turnout is that the GOP appeals to their base while the Democrats ignore theirs.

The Democrats fail because their power structure has benefited from the last 30 years so they want to tinker around the edges. The country as a whole has been bent over by the 1% so they look for real change, even when that change is in the form of a sociopathic clown like Trump. But the Dems won't do anything real because too many of them are the 1%.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Uh, yeah, he did. He was fighting a ****tard named Turtle Boy the whole way. He passed Health Care which was something they had been screaming about for decades. He did as many executive orders as he could but after Obamacare he couldn't pass any legislation. It was never going to happen. He blew his wad the first two years and did as much as he could after.

Agreed. Don't know what planet trix is on. The ACA was a huge progressive victory - expanded healthcare paid for by hospitals/insurers and tax hikes on the rich. I'd also point out increased regulation of the financial industry which reversed half a century of deregulation. Also tax increase on top income earners. Unlike executive orders these are bona fide laws that knucks will have to find 60 votes in the Senate to reverse. Its a shame the voters couldn't come out to support him in 2010 when he went all in to enact his agenda.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

What makes you think liberals stay home in the midterms? It may be moderates. In my experience on both sides the extremists are far more committed and savvy than moderates. One of the differences in voter turnout is that the GOP appeals to their base while the Democrats ignore theirs.

The Democrats fail because their power structure has benefited from the last 30 years so they want to tinker around the edges. The country as a whole has been bent over by the 1% so they look for real change, even when that change is in the form of a sociopathic clown like Trump. But the Dems won't do anything real because too many of them are the 1%.

Kep, I said lefty voters - as in anybody from slightly left of center to all the way over to living off the grid. I don't know what your day job is, but I wouldn't give it up to pursue a career in mind reading.

Otherwise your premise is absurd. Dems fail because the left doesn't want to work within the existing levers of power, which means showing up for all elections - state, local, midterms, etc and voting for people who may give you 80% of what you want instead of 100%. Knuckledraggers on the other hand understand that you first and foremost need to get people in your party elected to have a seat at the table because if the Dems win they'll have zero influence. For some odd reason modern day Dems seem to think that attending a protest with a big sign and cranking up the Pete Seeger tunes is as effective as showing up to vote. It isn't. One would think they'd have learned that lesson by now. They haven't, and that's exactly what Trump and team are counting on.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Kep, I said lefty voters - as in anybody from slightly left of center to all the way over to living off the grid. I don't know what your day job is, but I wouldn't give it up to pursue a career in mind reading.

Otherwise your premise is absurd. Dems fail because the left doesn't want to work within the existing levers of power, which means showing up for all elections - state, local, midterms, etc and voting for people who may give you 80% of what you want instead of 100%. Knuckledraggers on the other hand understand that you first and foremost need to get people in your party elected to have a seat at the table because if the Dems win they'll have zero influence. For some odd reason modern day Dems seem to think that attending a protest with a big sign and cranking up the Pete Seeger tunes is as effective as showing up to vote. It isn't. One would think they'd have learned that lesson by now. They haven't, and that's exactly what Trump and team are counting on.

^^^^^^^^^^

GOP will vote for Republicans up and down the ballot even if they only get a Supreme Court Justice. Democrats can't be bothered unless it's a 100% purity test.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Case in Point.

Best Buy CEO Hubert Joly added his name to a list of more than 350 tech and business leaders who sent a letter Friday asking Trump not to end DACA.

Where were these idiots when the very soul of the United States was on the line? I'll tell you where. Voting for Trump.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

For some odd reason modern day Dems seem to think that attending a protest with a big sign and cranking up the Pete Seeger tunes is as effective as showing up to vote.

Except this isn't true. Who doesn't show up in the midterms? The Poors. Lofo voters who don't even realize there's an election unless it's for President. They aren't ideological. They tend to vote more "liberal" out of identity politics: black Poors for black issues, women Poors for women's issues, student Poors for student issues. But they don't have any ideology they're just out for what makes sense for them (just like most Republican lofos), and we live in a time when Republicans are f-cking all those groups hard so to be against them is to be "liberal."

I only correct you every time you raise your silly broken clock theory of 2016; if you'd **** about that I wouldn't break in. Also, I didn't think of Bernie while educating you; dude lives in your head, not mine. I really hope Bernie doesn't run again -- we've had enough dinosaurs.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Except this isn't true. Who doesn't show up in the midterms? The Poors. Lofo voters who don't even realize there's an election unless it's for President. They aren't ideological. They tend to vote more "liberal" out of identity politics: black Poors for black issues, women Poors for women's issues, student Poors for student issues. But they don't have any ideology they're just out for what makes sense for them (just like most Republican lofos), and we live in a time when Republicans are f-cking all those groups hard so to be against them is to be "liberal."

I only correct you every time you raise your silly broken clock theory of 2016; if you'd **** about that I wouldn't break in. Also, I didn't think of Bernie while educating you; dude lives in your head, not mine. I really hope Bernie doesn't run again -- we've had enough dinosaurs.

Plenty of poor people in rural America voting every cycle. They don't get Republicans elected all over the place on accident.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Uh, yeah, he did. He was fighting a ****tard named Turtle Boy the whole way. He passed Health Care which was something they had been screaming about for decades. He did as many executive orders as he could but after Obamacare he couldn't pass any legislation. It was never going to happen. He blew his wad the first two years and did as much as he could after.

He negotiated against himself on healthcare. He tried to slash social security benefits. He tried to "compromise" on the latest SC pick. He did nothing about criminal bankers who destroyed the economy. Overall he's better than a lot of politicians we've had and is probably one of the best we've had in a while but let's not pretend he was perfect.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Except this isn't true. Who doesn't show up in the midterms? The Poors. Lofo voters who don't even realize there's an election unless it's for President. They aren't ideological. They tend to vote more "liberal" out of identity politics: black Poors for black issues, women Poors for women's issues, student Poors for student issues. But they don't have any ideology they're just out for what makes sense for them (just like most Republican lofos), and we live in a time when Republicans are f-cking all those groups hard so to be against them is to be "liberal."

I only correct you every time you raise your silly broken clock theory of 2016; if you'd **** about that I wouldn't break in. Also, I didn't think of Bernie while educating you; dude lives in your head, not mine. I really hope Bernie doesn't run again -- we've had enough dinosaurs.

Kep again none of this makes any sense. You're becoming the Bob Gray of the left, a guy who used to have intelligent things to say but who just went off the deep end.

As Scooby already mentioned, poor people sure seem to show up on the Republican side, or Kentucky and WVA wouldn't be dominated by the GOP. So, your point is stupid.

Next, whenever I point out the ongoing inertia of the left, you keep bringing up 2016. Keppy, wake up buddy. Lefties aren't participating in state elections. Mid terms elections. Now federal elections in Presidential years. Hillary was on the ballot exactly once, for one race from 2010-2016. How does that explain the record low turnout in 2010 and 2014??? That makes no sense, even for you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

He negotiated against himself on healthcare. He tried to slash social security benefits. He tried to "compromise" on the latest SC pick. He did nothing about criminal bankers who destroyed the economy. Overall he's better than a lot of politicians we've had and is probably one of the best we've had in a while but let's not pretend he was perfect.

He didn't **** all over the Statue of Liberty. Last time I checked. He also didn't try to start any wars. Last time I checked. I admit the bar is low but consider what's happened around here since 2000 and then get back to me.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

He didn't **** all over the Statue of Liberty. Last time I checked. He also didn't try to start any wars. Last time I checked. I admit the bar is low but consider what's happened around here since 2000 and then get back to me.

Ok but let's not act like he did everything he could when in reality he was better than a lot of the dreck we've had but there's plenty room for improvement.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Ok but let's not act like he did everything he could when in reality he was better than a lot of the dreck we've had but there's plenty room for improvement.

I think he was hamstrung by the Congress. I think Turtle Boy played his strategy to perfection. As for the criminal bankers. Yeah, I don't get that one either. Still ****es me off. But, lobbying works. It's been proven over and over again.