POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Oh it is working. The Trumpers blame everyone and their mother except him. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are more hated by Trumpers than they are Democrats.

Check out the Q poll. 10/83.

 

[Drew S.]

Here's what's dangerous about this- dump is making a self fulfilling prophecy. Government is bad and ineffective, and "draining the swamp" is about getting rid of ALL of DC- not the lobbyists, not the corruption, all of DC.

He fired the first salvo of that when he doubted the election results if he lost.

And anyone with a brain can see that he's going to force the ACA to fail- so government is bad, so we just stop this. And regulations are bad. And non-Americans are bad. Etc.

Now he can make a mockery of the various branches of government, they do nothing, they don't work with anyone, etc. When he goes out and complains about the swamp- it's directed directly at Congress. Not anyone else.

This is a long term strategy to make us all think that the US system of publicly elected officials representing us is a failure. Just like vlad in Russia.

There's a conspiracy theory for you.

So the question then becomes- how long of that will R's take until they invoke Article 25? This is destroying all sides of government and control, not just the Ds.

To be fair to Trump, Congress has been a disaster this century. He might not be the solution, but he has accurately diagnosed the problem with regard to them.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

ACA was designed to fail and be a precursor for single payer.

 

[burd]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

To be fair to Trump, Congress has been a disaster this century. He might not be the solution, but he has accurately diagnosed the problem with regard to them.

Trump has never even gotten close to diagnosing root causes or anything else more complex than "look at me please."

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Trump has never even gotten close to diagnosing root causes or anything else more complex than "look at me please."

Then why is illegal immigration down, and there's more confidence in the country aside from the whining the Fake News Media has prompted the brainwashed to complain about on here.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Trump still needs the full Republican base to come home if he wants to be re-elected. (which he does, hence his campaigning already) If he loses even 2-3% he will be in lots of trouble. He needs to maintain his numbers and pray the Dems stay home again that is his only strategy. He wont add any votes so he needs to hold every last vote in every last county. If he cheeses off the rank and file all while screwing the rurals he will have troubles...

The Dems need to stick to what they are doing. Trump is creating all the headlines against himself so let him. Dont upset the apple cart. When he does something really bad (i.e. Charlottesville) that is when you come out guns blazing. This guy is like every criminal, part of them wants to be caught.

Agree with this but would add one thing. Trump going to war with lobbyist bought and paid for stiffs like Ryan and Itch is smart politics. These people aren't popular. They never were. Basically the GOP base is "rooting for laundry" as they say in sports. Doesn't matter who the players are, as long as they're wearing the right uniform. So, even though these two clowns aren't going to advocate kicking everybody out of the country with a tan and an accent they do want to deny minorities access to a decent education so that was good enough.

The problem is Trump is 100% where these people actually are. In any contest for the heart and soul of the 62M people who keep voting GOP in Presidential elections, this one between Chump and Congressional corporate stiffs is going to be over by the 1st round. By 2020 the only people who will abandon Trump are 1) dead people, and 2) people who took a flier voting for him thinking he was going to lose anyway. In fact I saw an NPR story yesterday that had 10% of Bernie primary voters voting for Trump. I kinda doubt they'll be doing that again next time. However, I also don't think that's a very large # of people. Otherwise, the rest of his peeps are locked in no matter what.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

In fact I saw an NPR story yesterday that had 10% of Bernie primary voters voting for Trump. I kinda doubt they'll be doing that again next time.

You're reading those votes as Democrats who went to Trump because they were mad at Hillary. I doubt it. I think they were anti-establishment voters from the get-go. If they haven't blown their heads off in anti-G7 rallies by 2020, they'll go with whoever they think is giving The Man the finger. That could be Trump again, as he is a master of revolutionary talk even though he doesn't do squat except line his pockets.

 

[jerphisch]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Faux better bring in the WSJ guy, they're letting some stuff slip through the cracks...

In terms of regulations, according to an analysis by American Action Forum reviewing the president's first six months in office, a total of 27 regulations have been withdrawn so far this year, which is slightly lower than the 41 rules that were approved.

I thought this was the one promise Dump actually followed through on....turns out it's just another lie.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Then why is illegal immigration down, and there's more confidence in the country aside from the whining the Fake News Media has prompted the brainwashed to complain about on here.

It was down before he came into office.

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

To be fair to Trump, Congress has been a disaster this century. He might not be the solution, but he has accurately diagnosed the problem with regard to them.

You mean he said everything everyone else has said for years. (including both Obama and Dubya) Yeah real visionary that Trump...

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

You're reading those votes as Democrats who went to Trump because they were mad at Hillary. I doubt it. I think they were anti-establishment voters from the get-go. If they haven't blown their heads off in anti-G7 rallies by 2020, they'll go with whoever they think is giving The Man the finger. That could be Trump again, as he is a master of revolutionary talk even though he doesn't do squat except line his pockets.

I don't necessarily think it was mad at Hillary. I think it was as you say lets stick it to The Man with the added assumption that it wouldn't matter because Chump wouldn't win. That's a little bit harder to do when he actually did win and when he's been a colossal F up.

Similarly, 3rd party candidates like Toker Johnson and Nutty Jill Stein did a little better last time around as people outside of the usual libertarians voted for them. I'm guessing these same people, again aside from the libertarians, will go back to choosing sides after they realized the effect of wasting their vote.

From the NPR study these people could have been decisive in WI, MI and PA, but then again so were some other things I'd image like lower non-white turnout absent Obama on the ballot (a big problem in Ohio from what I understand).

I don't know the # total of these hypothetical Sanders-Trump voters but lets say if he got, I don't know maybe 15M primary votes it would be 1.5M. Still puts Chump in the range Goopers have been getting in Prez elections since 2004. For that reason I'm less interesting in convincing Trump voters to not vote for him again and more into reassembling the 70M people that voted for Obama in his first election.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

You're reading those votes as Democrats who went to Trump because they were mad at Hillary. I doubt it. I think they were anti-establishment voters from the get-go. If they haven't blown their heads off in anti-G7 rallies by 2020, they'll go with whoever they think is giving The Man the finger. That could be Trump again, as he is a master of revolutionary talk even though he doesn't do squat except line his pockets.

There were definitely some moronic Bernie supporters like Jimmy Dore advocating the protest vote (I don't remember if it was for Trump or just third party) based on ludicrous logic (Trump won't get anything done, Dems will take over senate in 2018, dems will filibuster the supreme court picks, etc.). So I don't doubt that there are some of those people who exist.

 

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

I'd be astounded if any Bernie supporters backed Trump again now that we know what he's actually doing while in office. Having said that, if we're only talking a million or so people, I can easily see Chump making some of that up with neo-Nazis and Falseflagdude types who normally don't vote for a major party candidate but who now see a friend in the WH.

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

You're reading those votes as Democrats who went to Trump because they were mad at Hillary. I doubt it. I think they were anti-establishment voters from the get-go. If they haven't blown their heads off in anti-G7 rallies by 2020, they'll go with whoever they think is giving The Man the finger. That could be Trump again, as he is a master of revolutionary talk even though he doesn't do squat except line his pockets.

I think you are both right. I know for a fact there were lots of Dems who voted for Trump for various reasons. (hell stats prove it in various counties) Some were anti-establishment, some were anti-Hillary and some believed Trumps was actually a RINO who would move Left as he got to office because he was a Dem before he was a GOPer. Lots of people who wouldnt normally vote GOP went GOP on the idea of "hope" as well.

Also remember that many of the "Anti-Establishment" people went to Stein and the Potzker. They wont do that again.

And that is why I am saying Trump needs every GOP voter to hold. The 34% he is getting now is because like 88% of the GOP are looking at him favorably. He really has zero margin for error. While Base Red States are going nowhere the states he barely won, especially the Battleground States he flipped wont stay flipped at this point if he keeps this up. It is a bad strategy from a political standpoint. (from a business standpoint it is great because being the villain makes you tons of cash just ask Wal-Mart)

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

It was down before he came into office.

Dont feed the Fraudbot

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

I don't necessarily think it was mad at Hillary. I think it was as you say lets stick it to The Man with the added assumption that it wouldn't matter because Chump wouldn't win. That's a little bit harder to do when he actually did win and when he's been a colossal F up.

Similarly, 3rd party candidates like Toker Johnson and Nutty Jill Stein did a little better last time around as people outside of the usual libertarians voted for them. I'm guessing these same people, again aside from the libertarians, will go back to choosing sides after they realized the effect of wasting their vote.

From the NPR study these people could have been decisive in WI, MI and PA, but then again so were some other things I'd image like lower non-white turnout absent Obama on the ballot (a big problem in Ohio from what I understand).

I don't know the # total of these hypothetical Sanders-Trump voters but lets say if he got, I don't know maybe 15M primary votes it would be 1.5M. Still puts Chump in the range Goopers have been getting in Prez elections since 2004. For that reason I'm less interesting in convincing Trump voters to not vote for him again and more into reassembling the 70M people that voted for Obama in his first election.

There was definitely a "Brexit" style voter who voted for Trump thinking he would lose.

 

[Drew S.]

I think you are both right. I know for a fact there were lots of Dems who voted for Trump for various reasons. (hell stats prove it in various counties) Some were anti-establishment, some were anti-Hillary and some believed Trumps was actually a RINO who would move Left as he got to office because he was a Dem before he was a GOPer. Lots of people who wouldnt normally vote GOP went GOP on the idea of "hope" as well.

Also remember that many of the "Anti-Establishment" people went to Stein and the Potzker. They wont do that again.

And that is why I am saying Trump needs every GOP voter to hold. The 34% he is getting now is because like 88% of the GOP are looking at him favorably. He really has zero margin for error. While Base Red States are going nowhere the states he barely won, especially the Battleground States he flipped wont stay flipped at this point if he keeps this up. It is a bad strategy from a political standpoint. (from a business standpoint it is great because being the villain makes you tons of cash just ask Wal-Mart)

If Johnson would have run a legitimate campaign Hillary probably would have won.

Is there any chance Mark Zuckerberg or someone like that jumps in the race as an independent in 2020? Depending on the dem nominee I think they could have a decent chance.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

There was definitely a "Brexit" style voter who voted for Trump thinking he would lose.

I call it the moron vote.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

I don't necessarily think it was mad at Hillary. I think it was as you say lets stick it to The Man with the added assumption that it wouldn't matter because Chump wouldn't win. That's a little bit harder to do when he actually did win and when he's been a colossal F up.

Similarly, 3rd party candidates like Toker Johnson and Nutty Jill Stein did a little better last time around as people outside of the usual libertarians voted for them. I'm guessing these same people, again aside from the libertarians, will go back to choosing sides after they realized the effect of wasting their vote.

From the NPR study these people could have been decisive in WI, MI and PA, but then again so were some other things I'd image like lower non-white turnout absent Obama on the ballot (a big problem in Ohio from what I understand).

I don't know the # total of these hypothetical Sanders-Trump voters but lets say if he got, I don't know maybe 15M primary votes it would be 1.5M. Still puts Chump in the range Goopers have been getting in Prez elections since 2004. For that reason I'm less interesting in convincing Trump voters to not vote for him again and more into reassembling the 70M people that voted for Obama in his first election.

The Stein voters were definitely never going to Trump -- had she not been there some would have gone to Hillary, others, maybe most others, to whichever other candidate wanted to levitate the Pentagon. Those are the voters who you actually have a point in blaming, but I think they are fractional. Of course, fractions decide election these days and until that stops I fully agree that everyone to the left of the radical rightwing GOP threat has to pull together and vote together, as a bloc, right down the line. Our first task isn't to get elected, it's to keep the children away from the launch codes, nuclear, regulatory, and fiscal.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

There were definitely some moronic Bernie supporters like Jimmy Dore advocating the protest vote (I don't remember if it was for Trump or just third party) based on ludicrous logic (Trump won't get anything done, Dems will take over senate in 2018, dems will filibuster the supreme court picks, etc.). So I don't doubt that there are some of those people who exist.

Well, one of everything always exists. I'm sure at least one black person sincerely campaigned for George Wallace.