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POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
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Was Lynah a goalie, too?
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
Winners vs. losers.
On another board, someone asked if Washington could be considered a traitor. In the eyes of the British, of course he was. Duh. And since he won, he's a hero of ours.
Your info about Jefferson is a good example that our Founding Fathers are not without fault. Which is a way to point out that what they wrote is up to real debate, but that's a different thread.
Thomas Jefferson did pen this
Given all of his faults, we've been trying for that to come true ever since it went public. AND we are still working on it.
We had a Civil War about it. People have gone back and claimed of many other reasons, but they all come back to the economics of the south- to make a lot of money, they needed slavery to pay for it. There's no way around it.
Because of that Civil war, Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson were both traitors to the United States of America, they are both losers, too. They were part of the US army, and then decided to take arms against that country- the definition of traitors, AND they lost that war- so they are losers, too. How we go about celebrating traitor losers like that is beyond me. Sure, some markers to define the history of what happened- we should not forget that at all. But to put them on a pedestal for being a traitor loser? What's up with that?
Put it in the context of history when the statues were mostly put up, as well as the confederate flags being parts of states- you can easily see that it's a reaction for the people they oppressed getting any type of advantage.
Back the original point- Jackson and Lee were losers and traitors, Washington and Jefferson were revolutionary winners. It's pretty simple.
Winners vs. losers.
On another board, someone asked if Washington could be considered a traitor. In the eyes of the British, of course he was. Duh. And since he won, he's a hero of ours.
Your info about Jefferson is a good example that our Founding Fathers are not without fault. Which is a way to point out that what they wrote is up to real debate, but that's a different thread.
Thomas Jefferson did pen this
Given all of his faults, we've been trying for that to come true ever since it went public. AND we are still working on it.
We had a Civil War about it. People have gone back and claimed of many other reasons, but they all come back to the economics of the south- to make a lot of money, they needed slavery to pay for it. There's no way around it.
Because of that Civil war, Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson were both traitors to the United States of America, they are both losers, too. They were part of the US army, and then decided to take arms against that country- the definition of traitors, AND they lost that war- so they are losers, too. How we go about celebrating traitor losers like that is beyond me. Sure, some markers to define the history of what happened- we should not forget that at all. But to put them on a pedestal for being a traitor loser? What's up with that?
Put it in the context of history when the statues were mostly put up, as well as the confederate flags being parts of states- you can easily see that it's a reaction for the people they oppressed getting any type of advantage.
Back the original point- Jackson and Lee were losers and traitors, Washington and Jefferson were revolutionary winners. It's pretty simple.
aparch
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With respect, remeberance, and somber tones. Auschwitz still stand even though it is a deep, dark spot in history. Other similar dark marks in history are preserved the same in an effort to teach the future.
So treat Jefferson's home with care.
Unlike these statues the alt-right treat like Six Flags Over Confederacy.
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
While Washington and Jefferson both did own slaves, which will be a stain on them, they both helped found the country and did not take up arms against it. Neither of the latter is true about Lee or Jackson, so we're left with only the former. Maybe that's a dry way of looking at it, but it's hard to overlook those points when considering who deserves a statue. (I mean, in terms of military genius, Jackson was amazing; but that means I will read about it in history books, which still exist and will continue to.)
While Washington and Jefferson both did own slaves, which will be a stain on them, they both helped found the country and did not take up arms against it. Neither of the latter is true about Lee or Jackson, so we're left with only the former. Maybe that's a dry way of looking at it, but it's hard to overlook those points when considering who deserves a statue. (I mean, in terms of military genius, Jackson was amazing; but that means I will read about it in history books, which still exist and will continue to.)
French Rage
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
LOL: https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/897596063758077952
LOL: https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/897596063758077952
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
The terrorists are getting out of hand, calm down people
edit: I guess this guy is a liberal along the lines of the guy that shot up a baseball game. Still, it's all a symptom of Trump's America
The terrorists are getting out of hand, calm down people
edit: I guess this guy is a liberal along the lines of the guy that shot up a baseball game. Still, it's all a symptom of Trump's America
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
That sounds like fake news. I highly doubt there would be another incident where a liberal shoots an unarmed conservative. With all due respect some of you should take a look in the mirror.
That sounds like fake news. I highly doubt there would be another incident where a liberal shoots an unarmed conservative. With all due respect some of you should take a look in the mirror.
Handyman
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I dunno... that is a very good question.
IIRC 30 some odd signers of the Declaration of Independence were slave owners.
IIRC at the 50th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg, the survivors marched across the field and shook hands with each other.
What about the Nazis?
We read the writings of Nazi generals and admirals, some who served in the new West German armed forces. They served an evil government, yet we didn't shoot/hang them all. Some were respected lecturers after the war in this country.
Our German scientists were better than Russia's German scientists and we got to the moon first.
We hate the Nazis but like the Germans? Why can't we decry the Rebellion and honor the participants?
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
I don't care much for "whitewashing history" and I'm very leery of mob justice (a tiny group of people destroying common property). And I HATE identity politics, people basing all their self-worth, votes, positions, opinions, etc on their appearance/nationality/lifestyle in opposition to other groups of people who are lighter or darker or straighter or whatever. People are individuals.
But there are a lot of people who do have strong opinions about their own neighborhoods, and I fully respect that. If there are enough of them to vote in an orderly local referendum for the controlled removal of these statues, I don't mind it a bit. I'd have to be insane to drive to some other state with my gun and confederate flag to protest something that's so clearly not my business. If I do, hopefully the people that live there will punch me in the face and then kick me after I'm down until I either leave or wake up. It's just disgusting.
Also: Robert E Lee was not some unusually evil demon like Hitler, he was quite accomplished and widely admired throughout the country at the time of the war. He went to war in defense of his home state in spite of his loyalties to the U.S., he was more or less schizophrenic only in a way typical of Americans of the time in his ideals. All the rage against him is a fairly recent construct.
Still, not my neighborhood so no skin off my nose if it's destroyed.
I don't care much for "whitewashing history" and I'm very leery of mob justice (a tiny group of people destroying common property). And I HATE identity politics, people basing all their self-worth, votes, positions, opinions, etc on their appearance/nationality/lifestyle in opposition to other groups of people who are lighter or darker or straighter or whatever. People are individuals.
But there are a lot of people who do have strong opinions about their own neighborhoods, and I fully respect that. If there are enough of them to vote in an orderly local referendum for the controlled removal of these statues, I don't mind it a bit. I'd have to be insane to drive to some other state with my gun and confederate flag to protest something that's so clearly not my business. If I do, hopefully the people that live there will punch me in the face and then kick me after I'm down until I either leave or wake up. It's just disgusting.
Also: Robert E Lee was not some unusually evil demon like Hitler, he was quite accomplished and widely admired throughout the country at the time of the war. He went to war in defense of his home state in spite of his loyalties to the U.S., he was more or less schizophrenic only in a way typical of Americans of the time in his ideals. All the rage against him is a fairly recent construct.
Still, not my neighborhood so no skin off my nose if it's destroyed.
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Spartanforlife4
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Where are the 1500 monuments to the British on US soil?
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
However, we do have to consider that he likely defined "men" as white, Christian, property-owning, males over the age of 25.
However, we do have to consider that he likely defined "men" as white, Christian, property-owning, males over the age of 25.
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
I'd like to point out flaggy seemed to be posting sporadically at best in these threads of late and most were doing a good job of not "quoting" him. Today the quotes were coming fast and furious and so were the posts. Proof positive that YOU MUST NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
I'd like to point out flaggy seemed to be posting sporadically at best in these threads of late and most were doing a good job of not "quoting" him. Today the quotes were coming fast and furious and so were the posts. Proof positive that YOU MUST NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
...so ESPN fantasy football introduced a fun new spin on their draft format today where a white auctioneer holds up a picture of a black dude in front of a room full of fat white dudes and "sells" him to the highest bidder.
...so ESPN fantasy football introduced a fun new spin on their draft format today where a white auctioneer holds up a picture of a black dude in front of a room full of fat white dudes and "sells" him to the highest bidder.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
Here's the local news story that makes it clear this went waaaay beyond mere politics, as much as Gateway Pundit (lol) wants you to think it was because he was a Trump hater. The guy was a lunatic and an arsehole.
Here's the local news story that makes it clear this went waaaay beyond mere politics, as much as Gateway Pundit (lol) wants you to think it was because he was a Trump hater. The guy was a lunatic and an arsehole.
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
Deranged lone wolf, like the baseball shooter and the cop killers.
Yeah, that's the story I thought I was sending, they didn't even mention the political activism so I was under the assumption he was a Trumper. Somehow I linked a tab that played up the guy's politics.
Deranged lone wolf, like the baseball shooter and the cop killers.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
rotflmao
rotflmao
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Nice try...the Germans denounced the Nazis hell made the flag illegal. The South still embraces the Confederacy. Until they do we shouldnt embrace them. The South Shall Not Rise Again.
Care to try again without sounding completely lost?
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leswp1
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Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
I'm not a grammar Nazi... I prefer the term "alt-write"
My favorite-
I'm not a grammar Nazi... I prefer the term "alt-write"
Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.
One weird wrinkle to the Stars And Bars (as we know current flag): to many, it is NOT a symbol of slavery/Confederacy. It's simply a symbol of southern life: laid back, rural, aw shucks farmer wisdom life. Think: Lynyrd Skynyrd, Dukes Of Hazzard. I don't know of anyone who thinks of the Nazi flag that way.
Now, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just a very odd wrinkle with the newer generations of southern folk.
One weird wrinkle to the Stars And Bars (as we know current flag): to many, it is NOT a symbol of slavery/Confederacy. It's simply a symbol of southern life: laid back, rural, aw shucks farmer wisdom life. Think: Lynyrd Skynyrd, Dukes Of Hazzard. I don't know of anyone who thinks of the Nazi flag that way.
Now, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just a very odd wrinkle with the newer generations of southern folk.
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