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POTUS 45.15 - Now With More Yacht Banging Stories!

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geezer said:
I was honestly unaware of this (I'm in the U.P., we just have the one black guy) Do you remember a good source for actual data? The More You Know...
edit: MSU says the opposite is true, that diversity increased as Detroit kids entered suburban schools. Is this now outdated?
edit again: "Bridge" Magazine says you are right.

edit 3: Based on my exhaustive 5 minutes of research, the segregation attributed to school choice is being driven by classism, not racism. The rich kids are collecting in rich schools where there are a lot of booster-funded extracurriculars, and the poor kids, often racial minorities, are forced to stay in walking distance of their school.
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Your edit 3 is closer to what is an actual root cause, however, in Detroit, class and race correlate with each other very much. And, historically, we know white flight is race based. WDET hosted the editors of Bridge Magazine, and they explained the data as they saw it. The key is that many of the minorities don't have the means to make that choice.

IMHO, "school of choice" is a failure if not all students can take advantage of it. And there are a lot of families without the means to do it- including rural UP. So what's the point of a program if only a few kids can do it?
 
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trixR4kids said:
I think free education is the right direction to go but (obviously) it won't solve all of the issues in terms of economic inequality. So much of doing well in school when you're younger is reliant on the fact that your parents are pushing you to do well since they understand the importance of it. Obviously as a kid you can't possibly have a full grasp on that and so there's still some issues challenges that'd need to be addressed.
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Since it's a big thing around here- one of the "reasons" of income inequality is claimed to be base value. Which means that as a family, you have stuff to pass down to your kids, primarily property. But, one of the forgotten problems of the past was the prohibition of black to own land. That was a very big deal here in Detroit, and it's lead to very many families who do not own the homes they live in.

For the most part, white families have had about a 60 years advantage in value building based on home ownership, and that's translated into a MUCH longer time in getting equal situations for all. Especially in states where education funding tracks local property taxes so closely.

It was a lot easier for my grandparents to send my dad- a first gen school- to Tech since they owned the property they had. Just like it was for my wife in a different area. Not owning changes economic attitudes a lot. Not to say home ownership is as a massive of a deal as many say it is- but it is a factor in family attitudes and projections.
 
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Michigan is going tuition free for in state students with incomes less than 65k. It's a great start to a program that hopefully expands, and I was hoping MSU would match something similar, but all they did was add a tuition freeze if you take more than 15 credits.
 
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Florida has had Bright Futures scholarships for 20 years. There are academic requirements, a 3.0 plus service hours for a partial award; a 3.5 GPA, or a diploma from an AICE or IB program (of which there are many) plus 100 hours of service gets students full tuition and fees to any of the 12 state controlled Universities or 28 colleges. Similar awards also apply to vocational and tech schools. It's funded by the Florida Lottery.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And how are you going to pay for this "free" education? Guess what, it's not free. And if you think you're just going to steal from "the rich", you have another thing coming. Because with all your socialist ideas, you've basically run out of their money.
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Once we get to the point that everyone pays roughly similar tax rates, we can talk. But at the moment, once you make more than about $500k, your tax rate actually drops.

Which is a way to say that the rich are stealing from others.

And, what, exactly, is wrong with socialism? Works fine for our military. It doesn't mean communism, and there already is plenty of state support for many industries- which should not happen in capitalism. There's SO many hand outs to the rich and industries- it's welfare gone amok.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Michigan is going tuition free for in state students with incomes less than 65k. It's a great start to a program that hopefully expands, and I was hoping MSU would match something similar, but all they did was add a tuition freeze if you take more than 15 credits.
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Start a "Spartans for State" campaign, and raise a few Billion will get a good start. Really- that was the core goal for the Victors for Michigan campaign. I talked to UM's Provost, and she told me that Michigan is facing a decline of high school students. So the first goal was to lower out of state tuition, and #2 is to get more in state students. All to keep the school the size it is.

I'd be 100% sure that your officials are fully aware of that, too.
 
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Trees are fallin', now.

McMaster reportedly tried to fire him in March after replacing Flynn, but Bannon and Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, intervened in Cohen-Watnick’s favor.

Cohen-Watnick was the latest casualty in a string of firings at the NSC. McMaster (pictured above) replaced Fox News commentator K.T. McFarland as his deputy in May, reportedly without seeking White House approval first. He also reportedly fired Rich Higgins, a staffer who worked in the council’s strategic planning office on July 21, after Higgins authored a memo claiming Trump was under attack by “globalists and Islamists” and “cultural Marxists.” McMaster also fired Derek Harvey, Trump’s top Middle East adviser, in late July.

In mid-March, Cohen-Watnick was reportedly involved in the summary dismissal of the CIA’s liaison to the White House. Later that month, he reportedly played a role in providing House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) with classified intelligence reports purportedly demonstrating that Trump and members of his transition were incidentally caught up in U.S. surveillance of foreign nationals.
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Your edit 3 is closer to what is an actual root cause, however, in Detroit, class and race correlate with each other very much. And, historically, we know white flight is race based. WDET hosted the editors of Bridge Magazine, and they explained the data as they saw it. The key is that many of the minorities don't have the means to make that choice.

IMHO, "school of choice" is a failure if not all students can take advantage of it. And there are a lot of families without the means to do it- including rural UP. So what's the point of a program if only a few kids can do it?
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I can see the problems. But for us in our little slice of the UP (6 or 7 school districts in a ten mile radius) it's been beneficial. I've heard about kids struggling, or being bullied, or don't have a school hockey team, who do better with a move. But we're virtually all white and low class here so there's no socioeconomic change between schools.
 
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geezer said:
I can see the problems. But for us in our little slice of the UP (6 or 7 school districts in a ten mile radius) it's been beneficial. I've heard about kids struggling, or being bullied, or don't have a school hockey team, who do better with a move. But we're virtually all white and low class here so there's no socioeconomic change between schools.
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I have no doubt that the idea can work well. But only for those who can actually do it- and that's the real issue. The UP is so rural that most people already have to drive to school instead of bussing, so changing schools may not be a big deal.

(side story- my dad walked a mile a day through the forest to his school in Tapiola. Uphill both ways, 6 feet of snow and all... which was really bad when it was 100F ;) )
 
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Drew S. said:
Agree with a lot of this. I don't think a lot of people realize that a degree from a school like UMass doesn't do a lot of good by itself. I'd add that a lot of people who are 18 don't even know what they want to do. A lot of kids would be better served to work a for some time then think about going to college. Everyone is different and kids should have different paths to success.
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Reinstate the draft. And do it yesterday. But instead of a strictly military draft, all young adults, post high school (or at some later point if they want to defer and do something like college or trade school training immediately) give 2-4 years in some sort of public service. It could be military, it could be something like the peace corps. It could be serving on their volunteer fire companies or EMS. Maybe any of a hundred different things. Along the way they pick up valuable life lessons, the community is served or the nation protected, and maybe by the time they are 21 or 22 they know what kind of a path they want to head down on and if education is part of that, great.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Reinstate the draft. And do it yesterday. But instead of a strictly military draft, all young adults, post high school (or at some later point if they want to defer and do something like college or trade school training immediately) give 2-4 years in some sort of public service. It could be military, it could be something like the peace corps. It could be serving on their volunteer fire companies or EMS. Maybe any of a hundred different things. Along the way they pick up valuable life lessons, the community is served or the nation protected, and maybe by the time they are 21 or 22 they know what kind of a path they want to head down on and if education is part of that, great.
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Only if the rich and the politicos cant buy their kids out of it otherwise no dice.
 
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Kepler said:
Trees are fallin', now.
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The good news, is that it appears the influence of the alt-Reich at the White House is waning. Trump is obviously getting frustrated by all the negative press and push-back from Congress. So, "The Generals" have been given authority to take out the most festering bags of trash. The big prize will be the eventual resignation of Bannon, but there's time for that yet as they continue to chip away at his influence.

The bad news, is that it appears the neocons are regaining strength, and that means...soon we'll be goin', we've got to be goin', you know we'll be goin' to, war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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So here's something that I found shocking and hard to believe. trump lied when he said the Boy Scouts chief told him his speech at the Boy Scouts Jamboree was the greatest speech that was ever made to them. The worst presidents we've ever suffered through would not bother lying about a speech they gave to boy scouts. That trump feels the need to lie about things like this is alarming. For those of you who think it's much ado about nothing, think about that for a minute. He was speaking to boy scouts. And afterward he chose to lie about it. Boy scouts. Lies. The right can go fvck themselves with a red hot poker as a fitting punishment for their unbridled hypocrisy. I mean the boy scouts for fvck's sake! I'm sorry, if you voted for this 5h!t stain of president that's bad enough. But if you don't think he's pretty much unworthy of being an American, let alone the president after 6 months of this crap, you're a ficking moron.
 
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