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POTUS 45.15 - Now With More Yacht Banging Stories!

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I agree it really has become the lesser of two evils. But my choice is still saying something. Pols always ask "what does it take to get people to vote?" Well, I (and my ilk) are part of the answer. GET me to want to vote for you. And here's a hint: it ain't by sleaze politics, which has become the norm today.

To give up on that...well, you let "them" win.

News for you, precious little true believer. They already have won. You stop that by voting.

How friggin' old are you? You look at politics like some 7 year old, expecting it to be all shiny and perfect, or you'll make it shiny and perfect because.........honor?
Jesus, that's infantile. Kep's right, time to become an adult and start acting like one. Don't just take your precious ball and go home cause no candidate makes you all warm and sticky in the nether region.
 
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I'm conservative on economic issues too. For me, being conservative means not going into debt(unless necessary) and spending money wisely. Other stuff like abortion I'm not particularly conservative on though.

Again, I'd urge to look at the deficit over the last 40 years, and tell me which Presidents consistently are more responsible.
 
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So you think that one random person is going to change the whole party?

That's what Brent seems to think. His precious vote is gonna make politicians do anything they have to in order to win it. Cause he's honorable, and stuff.
 
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Yeah, but this time around people had a choice between chicken and a baloney sandwich with mold visible on the bread that continued to grow for 18 months. Then they went with the sandwich because they'd had chicken a lot lately, or because they would've really liked the free range chicken from earlier but for some reason decided the line between free range and farm raised was more of a divider than realizing they're both chicken, and and one is a moldy sandwich.

Try this:

The Peoples were told they could order chicken, a shyt sandwich, or just pass on eating. They were also told that if they did not order chicken they might have to eat the shyt sandwich, even if they did not order it. Some who were so accustomed to eating nothing but sandwiches, chose the shyt sandwich or passed, saying they just did not like chicken. Then, when the waiter brought their shyt sandwich, they tried to give it to their kids, saying they didn't order it.

edit: Ok, in the interest of full disclosure, some diners were told they would probably get chicken, no matter what they ordered. The point is, it wasn't a choice between chicken and roast beef. They could smell the shyt sandwich from their booths.

Analogies rarely hold up completely, I guess.
 
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Again, I'd urge to look at the deficit over the last 40 years, and tell me which Presidents consistently are more responsible.

See my other post. I think republicans deserve a lot of blame at the federal level and democrats deserve a lot of the blame at lower levels.
 
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The White House has so many leaks, they need to call the plumbers.

Oops. :)
 
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I'm conservative on economic issues too. For me, being conservative means not going into debt(unless necessary) and spending money wisely. Other stuff like abortion I'm not particularly conservative on though.

And yet you vote Republican. :confused:

Oh, yeah, right, the Dems are coming fer yer gunz!!!!! So just admit all that stuff is secondary, as long as you get to hold the long, hard, shiny barrel in your hand. Just make sure is doesn't go off by accident.
 
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Then, when the waiter brought their shyt sandwich, they tried to give it to their kids, saying they didn't order it.

Actually, they just let the shyt sandwich sit on their plate, untouched, but proclaimed loudly to anyone who would listen, that while they didn't order the shyt sandwich, it wasn't their fault that they got served the shyt sandwich, but it really wasn't that bad, it was obviously just as good as the chicken, and the other people should try it before calling them stupid for getting it.

Or maybe if the other people would have just been nicer to them, they might have ordered the chicken instead, despite proclaiming for years that there was no way they would ever order the chicken.
 
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Beauregard knows where the real racism is.

The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times.

The document, an internal announcement to the civil rights division, seeks current lawyers interested in working for a new project on “investigations and possible litigation related to intentional race-based discrimination in college and university admissions.”

The announcement suggests that the project will be run out of the division’s front office, where the Trump administration’s political appointees work, rather than its Educational Opportunities Section, which is run by career civil servants and normally handles work involving schools and universities.

The document does not explicitly identify whom the Justice Department considers at risk of discrimination because of affirmative action admissions policies. But the phrasing it uses, “intentional race-based discrimination,” cuts to the heart of programs designed to bring more minority students to university campuses.

Supporters and critics of the project said it was clearly targeting admissions programs that can give members of generally disadvantaged groups, like black and Latino students, an edge over other applicants with comparable or higher test scores.

The project is another sign that the civil rights division is taking on a conservative tilt under President Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. It follows other changes in Justice Department policy on voting rights, gay rights and police reforms.

Roger Clegg, a former top official in the civil rights division during the Reagan administration and the first Bush administration who is now the president of the conservative Center for Equal Opportunity, called the project a “welcome” and “long overdue” development as the United States becomes increasingly multiracial.

“The civil rights laws were deliberately written to protect everyone from discrimination, and it is frequently the case that not only are whites discriminated against now, but frequently Asian-Americans are as well,” he said.

But Kristen Clarke, the president of the liberal Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, criticized the affirmative action project as “misaligned with the division’s longstanding priorities.” She noted that the civil rights division was “created and launched to deal with the unique problem of discrimination faced by our nation’s most oppressed minority groups,” performing work that often no one else has the resources or expertise to do.

“This is deeply disturbing,” she said. “It would be a dog whistle that could invite a lot of chaos and unnecessarily create hysteria among colleges and universities who may fear that the government may come down on them for their efforts to maintain diversity on their campuses.”

The Justice Department declined to provide more details about its plans or to make the acting head of the civil rights division, John Gore, available for an interview.

“The Department of Justice does not discuss personnel matters, so we’ll decline comment,” said Devin O’Malley, a department spokesman.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the educational benefits that flow from having a diverse student body can justify using race as one factor among many in a “holistic” evaluation, while rejecting blunt racial quotas or race-based point systems. But what that permits in actual practice by universities — public ones as well as private ones that receive federal funding — is often murky.

Mr. Clegg said he would expect the project to focus on investigating complaints the civil rights division received about any university admissions programs.

He also suggested that the project would look for stark gaps in test scores and dropout rates among different racial cohorts within student bodies, which he said would be evidence suggesting that admissions offices were putting too great an emphasis on applicants’ race and crossing the line the Supreme Court has drawn.

Some of that data, he added, could be available through the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, which did not respond to a request for comment.
 
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The White House has so many leaks, they need to call the plumbers.

Oops. :)

Hey, don't compare them to Nixon, that's not fair. I mean, did Nixon have a chief of staff who was a former military guy?
 
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Bingo. For all of the crap Hillary may have pulled she would have protected people's rights. She would not be embarrassing us on the world stage. She would not be drooling over cutting health care for millions to cut taxes for a few dozen. She would not have handed over classified information in the Oval Office. (or done so at Mar-a-Lago) She wouldnt be kicking trans people out of the military on a whim, wasting a billion dollars on a border wall, hiring one of the most embarrassing cabinets in history and firing staff every few days and breaking serious laws since long before election day and continuing to do so now. Would her Wall Street cronies be getting rich...sure probably at the same rate they are right now. The difference is the rest of of the country would be better off as well.

It was easy to see the outcome, most of us were talking about all of this months before the election. Trump didnt hide who he was. Some people rationalize (this is the crowd that whine about her possible email issue but rationalize his blatant security violations) some people deny (these are the people who thought the economy blew under Obama and that the GOP are somehow fiscally responsible) some people love him (re: bigots) and others are willfully ignorant. No matter the reason they have no one to blame but themselves.

Spot on accurate and I'll add one thing. Warts and all, the same 62M people vote GOP every time. Bush 2004, Romney 2012 and Trump 2016 got that same amount of votes. McCain was a little lower for obvious reasons, but not much.

Dems on the other hand have been proven to be a lot more fickle, and its beyond imperative that lefty voters stop blasting their own nominee no matter how cute or witty they think they're being even if they eventually end up voting for him/her. Now, put aside anybody out here because I'm not referring to them. During the campaign, I was a big fan of Charlie Pierce's articles, but he had the same problem too many lefties did, which is he couldn't resist taking shots at her even during the convention. Only later in the campaign did he start writing pleading articles imploring people to take the choice seriously, but he realized this too late. You can't spend 9 months calling the nominee a corporate sellout no better than the Republicans AND one who was part of a conspiracy to screw Bernie out of the nomination...but then pivot on a dime and say oh she's be right choice after all. So called self righteous Goopers had no problem overlooking Trump's many faults and didn't spend all campaign calling them out. One has to wonder why Dems pundits/commentators/etc didn't learn this lesson back on 2000. They aren't guilty of treason like Trump voters are, but they're guilty of aiding and abetting.
 
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I want to see us reduce debt, at all levels. Raising taxes is part of the solution, obviously, but I don't think it's the cure all you are lead to believe.

I think the part of the problem that gets completely overlooked is the state/municipal issues. There is a big difference between providing people with a comfortable living and completely giving away the farm. With democrats at local levels in a lot of cases it is the latter. IL and CT are the state's who have the most pressing issues right now but I can see other states having similar problems down the road.

At all levels of government there needs to be an attitude around 'buying' what we can afford. The republicans are guilty of running up the deficit at the federal level, but I think you'd find at local levels it is more the democrats who are responsible.

If you are a real deficit hawk- then you should actually KNOW that states and cities can NOT run a debt. So in spite of all of the spending on a city, county, and state level, there is NO debt. If there is debt, there is also harsh realities that force the administration to fix them- you can see that in cities like Detroit and states like Illinois.

Whereas on a national level, debt can be wracked up with ease. And, as you have pointed out, R's have done better wracking up debt than D's since they are a tax cut and spend more vs tax and spend party.

You do realize that's you CAN vote R's locally and D's nationally, don't you??? That's also where you can separate social issues, major school issues, defense issues, etc- since each area has different responsibility. All you need to do is spend some time reading about your candidates- so IF a person running for a city council is doing it for reasons that not for them, you can NOT vote for them.

Instead, your defense of national level R's kind of counter your talking points. Rather drastically.

Having the privilege to vote takes work. I suggest you try it sometime.
 
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There was a tweet circulating last fall that said something like "You might not be racist if you voted for Trump but what it means is, it's not a deal breaker for you that he is."
 
If you are a real deficit hawk- then you should actually KNOW that states and cities can NOT run a debt. So in spite of all of the spending on a city, county, and state level, there is NO debt. If there is debt, there is also harsh realities that force the administration to fix them- you can see that in cities like Detroit and states like Illinois.

Whereas on a national level, debt can be wracked up with ease. And, as you have pointed out, R's have done better wracking up debt than D's since they are a tax cut and spend more vs tax and spend party.

You do realize that's you CAN vote R's locally and D's nationally, don't you??? That's also where you can separate social issues, major school issues, defense issues, etc- since each area has different responsibility. All you need to do is spend some time reading about your candidates- so IF a person running for a city council is doing it for reasons that not for them, you can NOT vote for them.

Instead, your defense of national level R's kind of counter your talking points. Rather drastically.

Having the privilege to vote takes work. I suggest you try it sometime.

Is there a difference between debt and unfunded liabilities? I guess you can argue technically there is, but it's all the same in my eyes.

I live in Mass where everything is run by the dems. They have set the state on the path to serious financial issues down the road but it will take a bit of time. I'm not from here and not even registered to vote. I respect local people's right to run the state as they wish, even if I disagree with it.

I think Rover is talking a lot of sense. A lot of the reason that me and likely a lot of people on both sides vote the way they do is because it's in their blood.
 
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So in spite of all of the spending on a city, county, and state level, there is NO debt.

While states do have to balance their budget, cities and states do have debt in the form of bonds.
 
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Something that the whities don't want to admit- that they have done a real number for a large part of minorities that live in cities by crushing their school systems. Especially when it was allowed to bias school funding based on the tax revenue instead of equal coverage across the state.

And the result of that is that minorities that have equal or slightly worse tests scores actually ARE better students just because of the intentional hurdles that have been placed in front of them.

Now we have a group of people who are part of that devastation and want to finalize the system on a college level.

Add that to the voting restrictions that are being placed on minorities, and the increased allowance of police actions onto minorities....

Funny how this is the 50th anniversary of the Detroit Uprising. Given how minorities are being treated, I can totally see that happening again, someplace. We've had some tastes of riots that were reasonably short.

Can someone explain how this is making America better?
 
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Something that the whities don't want to admit- that they have done a real number for a large part of minorities that live in cities by crushing their school systems. Especially when it was allowed to bias school funding based on the tax revenue instead of equal coverage across the state.

And the result of that is that minorities that have equal or slightly worse tests scores actually ARE better students just because of the intentional hurdles that have been placed in front of them.

Now we have a group of people who are part of that devastation and want to finalize the system on a college level.

Add that to the voting restrictions that are being placed on minorities, and the increased allowance of police actions onto minorities....

Funny how this is the 50th anniversary of the Detroit Uprising. Given how minorities are being treated, I can totally see that happening again, someplace. We've had some tastes of riots that were reasonably short.

Can someone explain how this is making America better?

The solution is to end local funding of school districts. Have schools funded per head at the state or even the federal level. If the choice is between sh-tty suburban schools and nice urban schools, suburbanites will suck it up and pay for nice urban schools so their kid can go to a nice suburban school. It's exactly the same problem as with health care. Some things are too important to be rationed by wealth. It is immoral to ration education by wealth.
 
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