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POTUS 45.11: Attack! Repeat. Atrack!!!
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You didn't fail. I got it!
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45.11: Attack! Repeat. Atrack!!!
My party is not virtuous. It's also not filled with a bunch of hateful, bigoted people who have enshrined that hate and bigotry in their party platform either.
But keep telling me how both parties are the same, and equally to blame.
My party is not virtuous. It's also not filled with a bunch of hateful, bigoted people who have enshrined that hate and bigotry in their party platform either.
But keep telling me how both parties are the same, and equally to blame.
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This past election? You would be correct.
And yes, my sarcasm detector is broken today. I had a long day. I would rephrase and say that opposing beliefs should be listened to, and yes, try to relate your views in the opposing eyes, so opposing eyes may possibly understand where you're coming from. You may vehemently disagree, and that's fine. But we're going NOWHERE when each side sticks fingers in their ears and shouts "LALALALALALALA!"
This past election? You would be correct.
And yes, my sarcasm detector is broken today. I had a long day. I would rephrase and say that opposing beliefs should be listened to, and yes, try to relate your views in the opposing eyes, so opposing eyes may possibly understand where you're coming from. You may vehemently disagree, and that's fine. But we're going NOWHERE when each side sticks fingers in their ears and shouts "LALALALALALALA!"
Re: POTUS 45.11: Attack! Repeat. Atrack!!!
Liberals: You're not worth listening to.
It's obvious those approaches are not working. So let's try something different.
Trumpers: we're right, and you're stupid.
Liberals: You're not worth listening to.
It's obvious those approaches are not working. So let's try something different.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Yes, it is. And that's why it's a waste of ****ing time. Hillary tried listening to them and it cost her the election. No more.
Yes, it is. And that's why it's a waste of ****ing time. Hillary tried listening to them and it cost her the election. No more.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Your approach was tried in 2016. It failed.
Your approach was tried in 2016. It failed.
Again, this isn't even in the same galaxy as the point. I really can't tell if you're as stupid as Donald Trump or playing some weird game. The parties, while at polar opposites (never said they're "the same", you are a liar) are not the issue. People are not parties. Trump is a problem for America, society, the earth, and common decency. Some of those categories contain both you and I. He is not a problem for a political party to just sweep up. This isn't going away by flapping your hands and cackling "not MY party! Not MY problem!" Nobody cares what political party you send your dues to. Political parties are not the issue, and do not control the actions of individuals. Wake up. He would have still been Trump under any label, it wouldn't make him any more virtuous. That's blind stupidity.
I'm a husband. Christian. Father. Son. Neighbor. "Fighting Eagle" or whatever. Michigander. American. Thinking person. Blue jeans dis-liker. Pull hitter. Near sighted......... #4,388 democrat. Who cares? WE are a lot more than that, with many common goals shared.
You might wonder why I care that you identify as a democrat above all. It's because identity politics gave birth to Trump. And hitler. And mao. And Stalin... it matters. Take your identity back.
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You mean like calling folks deplorables, and such? Yeah, that's the same.
Bernie, God bless him, listened. I didn't agree with a lot he was promoting, but he was listening what many wanted. If he came back a bit more to the center (and was a bit younger, for obvious reasons), I might have been convinced to vote for him. Truth.
You mean like calling folks deplorables, and such? Yeah, that's the same.
Bernie, God bless him, listened. I didn't agree with a lot he was promoting, but he was listening what many wanted. If he came back a bit more to the center (and was a bit younger, for obvious reasons), I might have been convinced to vote for him. Truth.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
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By the time I'm an octogenarian, they'll need to create a refrigerated room, so we can all remember what snow and winter were like.
Let's give it a try:
"See smokestack? Smoke go up into sky and cover Earth like blanket. Cause hotter weather, big boom-boom storms, floods. Mongo only pawn in game of life."
Fark it, I give up.
Brent, many folks just won't listen. They either are that dumb and believe the EPA cost them their jobs, when in reality people in China will do the same work for the equivalent of a few US dollars a day, OR they just don't care because they won't live long enough to see the consequences, and are willing to let their great-grandchildren suffer them.
By the time I'm an octogenarian, they'll need to create a refrigerated room, so we can all remember what snow and winter were like.
Let's give it a try:
"See smokestack? Smoke go up into sky and cover Earth like blanket. Cause hotter weather, big boom-boom storms, floods. Mongo only pawn in game of life."
Fark it, I give up.
Brent, many folks just won't listen. They either are that dumb and believe the EPA cost them their jobs, when in reality people in China will do the same work for the equivalent of a few US dollars a day, OR they just don't care because they won't live long enough to see the consequences, and are willing to let their great-grandchildren suffer them.
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The bolded/underlined do apply to both sides, btw. And it sucks.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
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Hillary shunned far too many. She didn't need to reach out to the deplorables, but she sure as s**t didn't need to call them out and she sure as s**t needed to visit more often the key states she ignored. You can't win everyone but going out of your way to alienate undecideds is a sure way to lose an election.
Hillary shunned far too many. She didn't need to reach out to the deplorables, but she sure as s**t didn't need to call them out and she sure as s**t needed to visit more often the key states she ignored. You can't win everyone but going out of your way to alienate undecideds is a sure way to lose an election.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
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We've seen it in this thread already. I know you're a conservative-leaning independent, not a Trumpster, nor one of the hive-minded people who always vote a straight R ticket because "MUH GUNZ!" or "BABBY MURDER!". Same goes for geezer. There is a difference, even though the rufuses and Scoobys of the world are more interested in venting their rage on a convenient target. It's fine, people will do that. Heaven knows, I do it sometimes.
I think what this country is really turning into, is a battle of rural vs. urban (cue Kep: "'Twas ever thus" with a link to a portrait of Robert E. Lee). Rural voters feel they've been pushed out by both parties, and rightfully so, though Republicans were pushing this crap before Democrats were acquiescing to it. Unfortunately, these rural voters have largely been poisoned by 40 years of Reaganomics propaganda (The Laffer Curve BS that us privileged folk learned and debunked in high school economics), amoral corporate thinking (cheaper to make in Asia and ship here - see ya Uniontown, PA!), and the resulting crumbling infrastructure and institutions (no money for road funding, schools, etc. because factories are moved, people lose their jobs, and we cut taxes in the hope that would fix the problem).
I have ideas for how Democrats could solution victories in 2020. I've already written off 2018, despite my intent to campaign for Mike Bishop's Dem challenger. They can, and should, start with a hard look at the former "Obama counties" who broke for Trump (there were many), but Scoobs thinks that's a waste of time, so...
EDIT: The biggest issue, IMO, was what Slap Shot just mentioned. Hillary spent too much time in NC, GA and AZ hoping for a landslide, when she needed to pound PA, WI, OH, and MI in the final 2-3 weeks.
We've seen it in this thread already. I know you're a conservative-leaning independent, not a Trumpster, nor one of the hive-minded people who always vote a straight R ticket because "MUH GUNZ!" or "BABBY MURDER!". Same goes for geezer. There is a difference, even though the rufuses and Scoobys of the world are more interested in venting their rage on a convenient target. It's fine, people will do that. Heaven knows, I do it sometimes.
I think what this country is really turning into, is a battle of rural vs. urban (cue Kep: "'Twas ever thus" with a link to a portrait of Robert E. Lee). Rural voters feel they've been pushed out by both parties, and rightfully so, though Republicans were pushing this crap before Democrats were acquiescing to it. Unfortunately, these rural voters have largely been poisoned by 40 years of Reaganomics propaganda (The Laffer Curve BS that us privileged folk learned and debunked in high school economics), amoral corporate thinking (cheaper to make in Asia and ship here - see ya Uniontown, PA!), and the resulting crumbling infrastructure and institutions (no money for road funding, schools, etc. because factories are moved, people lose their jobs, and we cut taxes in the hope that would fix the problem).
I have ideas for how Democrats could solution victories in 2020. I've already written off 2018, despite my intent to campaign for Mike Bishop's Dem challenger. They can, and should, start with a hard look at the former "Obama counties" who broke for Trump (there were many), but Scoobs thinks that's a waste of time, so...
EDIT: The biggest issue, IMO, was what Slap Shot just mentioned. Hillary spent too much time in NC, GA and AZ hoping for a landslide, when she needed to pound PA, WI, OH, and MI in the final 2-3 weeks.
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Slappy did nail it.
I doubt I could have said it better.
I prob agree that the 2018 is a lost cause....however, 2020 gives enough time to find the right candidate, a good candidate, because (and man, I hope this is true) a Trump re-elect SHOULD be dam near impossible.
Edit: I know I couldn't have said it better. Re: Slappy.
Slappy did nail it.
I doubt I could have said it better.
I prob agree that the 2018 is a lost cause....however, 2020 gives enough time to find the right candidate, a good candidate, because (and man, I hope this is true) a Trump re-elect SHOULD be dam near impossible.
Edit: I know I couldn't have said it better. Re: Slappy.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.11: Attack! Repeat. Atrack!!!
Trump's best hope for re-election is the Republican wet dream of so-called liberal fascism - a Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton ticket.
Joking aside, it's not his only hope, however. A legitimate defeat of ISIS sometime in 2019 or 2020 would be YUUUGE as far as inspiring shallow, "Murica! FOOK YEAH!" patriotism throughout the country. Not very likely to happen, but...
Also, wartime Presidents usually get re-elected. So if a serious shooting war were to happen in this age on his watch, I tend to think he'd be safe.
Those blue collar factory jobs that he promised would stay and/or return though? Or how promised that not only would everyone utilizing Obamacare get to keep their coverage, but that it would be better & cheaper? Those are the lies that Democrats really need to hammer away at for the next 3 years.
Trump's best hope for re-election is the Republican wet dream of so-called liberal fascism - a Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton ticket.
Joking aside, it's not his only hope, however. A legitimate defeat of ISIS sometime in 2019 or 2020 would be YUUUGE as far as inspiring shallow, "Murica! FOOK YEAH!" patriotism throughout the country. Not very likely to happen, but...
Also, wartime Presidents usually get re-elected. So if a serious shooting war were to happen in this age on his watch, I tend to think he'd be safe.
Those blue collar factory jobs that he promised would stay and/or return though? Or how promised that not only would everyone utilizing Obamacare get to keep their coverage, but that it would be better & cheaper? Those are the lies that Democrats really need to hammer away at for the next 3 years.
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What specific issues currently being pursued by the right do you think the left should be listening to?
What specific issues currently being pursued by the right do you think the left should be listening to?
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Friggin' A.....I can't wait to watch the next House Of Cards to watch something more believable......that's so sad. Truth.
Agree on war-time. I would not be surprised at a "Wag The Dog" war, although, yes, ISIS is real. He'd magnify it more than he has already.Trump's best hope for re-election is the Republican wet dream of so-called liberal fascism - a Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton ticket.
Joking aside, it's not his only hope, however. A legitimate defeat of ISIS sometime in 2019 or 2020 would be YUUUGE as far as inspiring shallow, "Murica! FOOK YEAH!" patriotism throughout the country. Not very likely to happen, but...
Also, wartime Presidents usually get re-elected. So if a serious shooting war were to happen in this age on his watch, I tend to think he'd be safe.
Those blue collar factory jobs that he promised would stay and/or return though? Or how promised that not only would everyone utilizing Obamacare get to keep their coverage, but that it would be better & cheaper? Those are the lies that Democrats really need to hammer away at for the next 3 years.
Friggin' A.....I can't wait to watch the next House Of Cards to watch something more believable......that's so sad. Truth.
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One of the big ones is illegal immigrants. I'm all for legal immigrants. Come on in, it's a great country! As sad as it is, I'm becoming more of a fan of the Israeli-style TSA profiling. Yes, it will offend some, but it's better than the BS we have now at our airports. I like the wall idea, but it's not feasible, and while it may stop some illegal immigrants, it won't stop the cartels (which was a secondary feature that was promoted).
The health care thing...I will admit that is an issue where I have no idea on an answer. Very complex, many laws pertaining to this and that, and privatization, etc....I wouldn't know where to begin.
One of the big ones is illegal immigrants. I'm all for legal immigrants. Come on in, it's a great country! As sad as it is, I'm becoming more of a fan of the Israeli-style TSA profiling. Yes, it will offend some, but it's better than the BS we have now at our airports. I like the wall idea, but it's not feasible, and while it may stop some illegal immigrants, it won't stop the cartels (which was a secondary feature that was promoted).
The health care thing...I will admit that is an issue where I have no idea on an answer. Very complex, many laws pertaining to this and that, and privatization, etc....I wouldn't know where to begin.
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