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POTUS 45.10 - Stage Two in Perpetuity

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Stories this morning here are brits blaming us for letting out the bombers name. Claiming they letting people get away now. Who's talking this time??
 
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Handyman said:
Yeah the Melania thing is just stupid and reminds me of the crap they used to say about the Clintons in the 90's. I mean sure it is probably true but focusing on it makes you look exactly like what the sheeple on the Right say the Left is.
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Unless she is the high level leak.
 
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Brenthoven said:
One cannot speculate like that. You just can't. Based on a smile/non-smile? Really? I don't give a crap if it's Trump. Hell, we all loved Bill Cosby, and whoopseedrizzle.
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One certainly can. All we have to do is look at the wingnuts and their pizza shop and Seth Rich conspiracy theories.

You want a higher level of discourse? Start with your own side. Start holding them accountable instead of tying yourself into knots defending people who you "don't support".
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
It's the kind of crap that belongs on TMZ...which I don't even know if they covered it because they were too busy breaking the story of the suicide bombing in Manchester.

There seems to be an obsession with everything Trump does that makes me question some people's mental health (not here). He ***** up enough that the petty stuff that won't ruin the country shouldn't even be on the radar.
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Obsession? Birth certificate, community organizer, school lunches and physical fitness programs, I could go on and on.
 
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More about the budget from Elizabeth Warren's Facebook.

During his campaign, Donald Trump promised over, and over, and over, that he wouldn’t cut Social Security. Turns out that was a bunch of baloney. I’ve looked at his budget, and there it is: Nearly $73 billion in Social Security cuts over the next 10 years. We should be protecting and expanding Social Security, not cutting it. And if Trump thinks he can go back on his promise and dismantle Social Security inch by inch, he’s got a fight on his hands.
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rufus said:
One certainly can. All we have to do is look at the wingnuts and their pizza shop and Seth Rich conspiracy theories.

You want a higher level of discourse? Start with your own side. Start holding them accountable instead of tying yourself into knots defending people who you "don't support".
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He wasnt defending anyone...and he hasnt defended pretty much any of the crap Trump has done. He may disagree with us about things but he is not a Trumper and painting him as one makes you sound like Rover.
 
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rufus said:
Obsession? Birth certificate, community organizer, school lunches and physical fitness programs, I could go on and on.
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And that stuff was stupid too. Do you think you make yourself better by sinking down to their level? Christ you are spazzing out over her not holding his hand :rolleyes:
 
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Handyman said:
And that stuff was stupid too. Do you think you make yourself better by sinking down to their level? Christ you are spazzing out over her not holding his hand :rolleyes:
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I see his point. I mean, she stopped smiling so OBVIOUSLY she's in an abusive relationship. It's clear as day. ;) :rolleyes:
 
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Handyman said:
And that stuff was stupid too. Do you think you make yourself better by sinking down to their level? Christ you are spazzing out over her not holding his hand :rolleyes:
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Exactly, the right is full of deplorable and irredeemable people so naturally they will sludge around in the mud. That the enlightened and evolved folks would do it too is troubling.

Unless, is this some sort of "fighting fire with fire" type of deal?
 
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Brenthoven said:
I see his point. I mean, she stopped smiling so OBVIOUSLY she's in an abusive relationship. It's clear as day. ;) :rolleyes:
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I couldn't care less about their relationship. However, I have seen enough to know that I would never want a relationship like they have. And seeing it in the Oval Office does nothing to set a proper example for anyone. Are they supposed to set one? Not necessarily, but they do.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I couldn't care less about their relationship. However, I have seen enough to know that I would never want a relationship like they have. And seeing it in the Oval Office does nothing to set a proper example for anyone. Are they supposed to set one? Not necessarily, but they do.
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The Clintons had a wonderful relationship, also. :D

(again, didn't care, none of my business)
 
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Handyman said:
He wasnt defending anyone...and he hasnt defended pretty much any of the crap Trump has done. He may disagree with us about things but he is not a Trumper and painting him as one makes you sound like Rover.
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Really? cause every post I see from him starts with, "I don't support the guy, but..................." and then he goes on to make excuses for everything the guy does.

And I'm not making a big deal about her not holding his hand. i'm making a big deal about how she blows him off, repeatedly, bigly. Imagine the outcry if that had been Michelle Obama. And sorry, but this is the field we're playing on at the moment, and you show me someone taking the high road, and I'll show you a loser. That's why Democrats keep losing, cause they won't fight back.

Again, if Brent wants a higher level of discourse, start with his own house. until then, we'll play by the rules they've set. or we'll keep losing.
 
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To be totally accurate, First Lady is not a job. It's only a title.

The First Lady gets paid zero-zip-nada...
 
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rufus said:
Imagine the outcry if that had been Michelle Obama. And sorry, but this is the field we're playing on at the moment, and you show me someone taking the high road, and I'll show you a loser. That's why Democrats keep losing, cause they won't fight back.

Again, if Brent wants a higher level of discourse, start with his own house. until then, we'll play by the rules they've set. or we'll keep losing.
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Wisco's (albeit snearing) point is we on the left announce ourselves as culturally superior to the right (which, you know, low bar) but then we get in there swinging the WWE chairs same as they. It's the flip side to the right endlessly mewling that they are morally superior even while their politicians and preachers are always getting in trouble for infidelity and their daughters can't keep their legs together.

To which, well... maybe. But if poking fun at the vicious, pandering, corrupt, self-centered mental and moral vacuity of conservatives is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
 
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Kepler said:
Wisco's (albeit snearing) point is we on the left announce ourselves as culturally superior to the right (which, you know, low bar) but then we get in there swinging the WWE chairs same as they. It's the flip side to the right endlessly mewling that they are morally superior even while their politicians and preachers are always getting in trouble for infidelity and their daughters can't keep their legs together.

To which, well... maybe. But if poking fun at the vicious, pandering, corrupt, self-centered mental and moral vacuity of conservatives is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
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You misspelled sneering and this is the internet so clearly my point stands. Game, set, match!:p

Actually what I really wanted to get at is that I was just reading the minutes of the last city council meeting and I noticed the Fire Department budget is loaded up on pumps, and hoses, and fire hydrants, but there is nary a penny in it for flamethrowers. I found that upsetting.
 
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I personally think we should be relentless in attacking the hypocrisy of the right, the unethical and illegal acts of the pres and his minions, and the disastrous effect his policies will have on those who are not financially secure. Leave the hand-shoving for others. Wailing benghazi-like about the FBI firings, the information disclosures, and and Russian bowljobs is fair play. A daily lie tracker presented in a form a sixth-grader could understand, would be good.
 
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Kepler said:
Wisco's (albeit snearing) point is we on the left announce ourselves as culturally superior to the right (which, you know, low bar) but then we get in there swinging the WWE chairs same as they. It's the flip side to the right endlessly mewling that they are morally superior even while their politicians and preachers are always getting in trouble for infidelity and their daughters can't keep their legs together.

To which, well... maybe. But if poking fun at the vicious, pandering, corrupt, self-centered mental and moral vacuity of conservatives is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
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While you may be right, it's also fair to point out to righties whenever possible their hypocrisy. Which is massive, and guys like Wisco does go out of his way to make excuses for it. And some of them are the same who complained about the exact same things for Obama and Clinton. Where is their outrage now?

Just like gun owners who claim they are strict constitutionalists when it comes to the second amendment, but when it comes to the rest of the document, they don't care. If you really care about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you defend them all, not just the ones that are good for you.

Now, we have a group of people doing things that garnered HUGE criticism when it was the Obamas, Clintons, etc. But nary a peep now. Why not? Do they REALLY care about those particular things, or is it just the person they hate?

It goes a long way to take someone seriously or not.

The more people like Wisco posts about excuses, the less credible the opinions are. Moreso when "I'm not defending the guy" ends up in the posts.

If you are going to attack, attack fairly and evenly. If not, you are just another partisan hack.

THAT is why all of the TMZ level stuff matters.
 
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