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POTUS 45.1 - You take the high road and I'll take the low road

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E.J. Smith said:
“If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,”
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Btw, that's a Gold Star mother he's talking about, he being a draft dodging Chickenhawk himself.
 
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rufus said:
One can only hope. It's long past time for them to stop sucking up to power, and actually do their jobs. Investigate. Report. Quit being stenographers.
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All that too but really they need to return to being journalists instead of entertainers. Hovey says McCarthy was the last time the media did anything, conveniently forgetting that event called Watergate. Which VERY ironically may have been a main cause of the media's ineptitude today.

Watergate made journalists and the media into heroes and stars. Which meant they started to make money. The news, which was once more of a public service to satisfy FCC requirements became a revenue stream. The problem being we don't, thankfully, have a Watergate every couple of years. So the news slowly started sliding to the sensational and the salacious.

And now we're here, full blown reality TV entertainment. Trump's campaign was a train wreck that people couldn't look away from. So the networks fed it to us, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars of free exposure above and beyond what any of the other candidates received. No questioning, or correcting, or analysis of the golden (orange?) goose. It was just hit play and watch, and let the dollars roll in. And now we're here.

All of which is why publicly funded journalism is so important. Which in turn is why the Republicans are always so eager to kill NPR and PBS.
 
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E.J. Smith said:
All that too but really they need to return to being journalists instead of entertainers. Hovey says McCarthy was the last time the media did anything, conveniently forgetting that event called Watergate. Which VERY ironically may have been a main cause of the media's ineptitude today.

Watergate made journalists and the media into heroes and stars. Which meant they started to make money. The news, which was once more of a public service to satisfy FCC requirements became a revenue stream. The problem being we don't, thankfully, have a Watergate every couple of years. So the news slowly started sliding to the sensational and the salacious.

And now we're here, full blown reality TV entertainment. Trump's campaign was a train wreck that people couldn't look away from. So the networks fed it to us, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars of free exposure above and beyond what any of the other candidates received. No questioning, or correcting, or analysis of the golden (orange?) goose. It was just hit play and watch, and let the dollars roll in. And now we're here.

All of which is why publicly funded journalism is so important. Which in turn is why the Republicans are always so eager to kill NPR and PBS.
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I didn't forget Watergate. The problem with Watergate is that by that time the media had already fallen into its malaise, and it was really only one member of the media, and just a couple of reporters at that, who really did their job. And I agree with you. Watergate was a key part in the problem, because it was with Watergate where it went from being all about the story to "how can this story help me become famous as a journalist."
 
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SJHovey said:
I didn't forget Watergate. The problem with Watergate is that by that time the media had already fallen into its malaise, and it was really only one member of the media, and just a couple of reporters at that, who really did their job.
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Sorry, clueless, not sure if it's willful or not, but clueless just the same. Apparently you've also forgotten about Vietnam. That late 60s, early 70s were a journalistic golden age.

SJHovey said:
And I agree with you. Watergate was a key part in the problem, because it was with Watergate where it went from being all about the story to "how can this story help me become famous as a journalist."
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Typical conservative, it can't possibly be the profit motive or corporatism that caused journalism's downfall, it has to be the those weak journalists themselves. Again completely clueless to the fact that famous individual journalists - Mencken, Murrow, Cronkite, Friendly, Halberstam - had been around since the beginning of the 20th century or even earlier.
 
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E.J. Smith said:
... it can't possibly be the profit motive or corporatism that caused journalism's downfall, ...
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The profit motive has been around since the person realized they could sell what they print*. That's not new to the last 50 years.


*Gutenberg?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
No. No it's not.

Classified stays on classified gear.
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You mean like the Presidents Non-secure Android phone? Maybe National Security Adviser Flynn can handle it all he has such a sterling record with classified material.

BTW where is your outrage...you seemed to hate Hillary for what people THOUGHT she did and well the Trumpers have done more and are accused of the exact same thing. Maybe instead of posting those oh so clever "see this is why it didnt work" posts that tell us nothing except that 2+2=4 you could give us your opinion on the Urine King and his breach of protocol, how his National Security Adviser was caught doing what Hillary was accused of and how everyone in the Trump inner circle seems to deserve to be locked up based on their own criteria. We know this stuff is uber important to you so please enlighten us. Or...twist yourself into a pretzel trying to make it seem like it is different when it isnt ;)
 
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Handyman said:
You mean like the Presidents Non-secure Android phone? Maybe National Security Adviser Flynn can handle it all he has such a sterling record with classified material.

BTW where is your outrage...
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Apparently you missed when news of Trump's non-secure phone came out a few pages back (about Post 240).
 
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The Sicatoka said:
So, while the media seems to be worrying about "sizes" and "measuring" (crowds, hands, whatever) I continue to wonder why there are so many troops amassed (by the prior administration) at the Polish border and why this administration is keeping them there.

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+...rome..69i57.4250j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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You realize we arent the media right? Maybe you should try looking elsewhere because most of the legit news sources are discussing the actual issues.

I am not sure what your game is...but you are doing a bang up job making yourself look like a Trumper when you play the same game he does. Just because you dont like what the media is saying and you can find random examples of "media laziness" doesnt mean they are lazy and wrong.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Apparently you missed when news of Trump's non-secure phone came out a few pages back.
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No I didnt...i must have missed your 12 paragraph ripping of it like you did for Hillary though. I must have also missed your attacking of General Flynn...since in your mind what he did is a criminal act? If I did mea culpa...

See that is the problem Sica, I dont think you actually agree with this administration but seeing as we had to read your diatribes about Hillary's evil deeds and how important the classified designation is, it seems rather hypocritical that you arent going all fire and brimstone about our president also using private servers, having an unsecure Android phone and having his National Security expert be a clown who actually DID share information he wasnt allowed to. They did what you kept telling us Hillary did even though the FBI found no evidence she did it. So why are you so even keel, why are you focusing on the media when you should be focusing on a man who is completely compromisable?
 
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Handyman said:
You realize we arent the media right? Maybe you should try looking elsewhere because most of the legit news sources are discussing the actual issues.

I am not sure what your game is...but you are doing a bang up job making yourself look like a Trumper when you play the same game he does. Just because you dont like what the media is saying and you can find random examples of "media laziness" doesnt mean they are lazy and wrong.
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I don't expect us to be media.

I'm wondering why the media isn't spending more time on this. Why is no one asking the (prior and current) President/White House why this is being done?

There are US and NATO troops amassed at the Polish border. Why? We don't need a war. Troop build-ups seldom lead to good outcomes.
 
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Handyman said:
No I didnt...i must have missed your 12 paragraph ripping of it like you did for Hillary though. I must have also missed your attacking of General Flynn...since in your mind what he did is a criminal act? If I did mea culpa...

See that is the problem Sica, I dont think you actually agree with this administration but seeing as we had to read your diatribes about Hillary's evil deeds and how important the classified designation is, it seems rather hypocritical that you arent going all fire and brimstone about our president also using private servers, having an unsecure Android phone and having his National Security expert be a clown who actually DID share information he wasnt allowed to. They did what you kept telling us Hillary did even though the FBI found no evidence she did it. So why are you so even keel, why are you focusing on the media when you should be focusing on a man who is completely compromisable?
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As Kep said (post 241-ish), until they use them for classified they haven't broken the law.
If Trump uses his unsecured phone for late-night 1-900 calls and nothing more he hasn't broken the law.

The other question is this: Does he have two devices, one secured and one unsecured? Is he keeping everything compartmentalized?

But as I said, that's a terrible plan. All it takes is one misstep.

But as I also said, they've made the noose and they're well on their way to using it on themselves.


And Handy, so irritable, so testy tonight. Did you just realized Duluth is Goldie's opponent this weekend? :D
 
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SJHovey said:
If the Democrats in Congress, or the Democratic party apparatus want to spend a bunch of time and money trying to prove Trump a liar about the crowd size or making fun of his inauguration claims, more power to them. I have no problem with that.
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Then you are one in a million.
 
E.J. Smith said:
Sorry, clueless, not sure if it's willful or not, but clueless just the same. Apparently you've also forgotten about Vietnam. That late 60s, early 70s were a journalistic golden age.

Typical conservative, it can't possibly be the profit motive or corporatism that caused journalism's downfall, it has to be the those weak journalists themselves. Again completely clueless to the fact that famous individual journalists - Mencken, Murrow, Cronkite, Friendly, Halberstam - had been around since the beginning of the 20th century or even earlier.
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So, your point is the media stopped doing their job 50 years ago, not 70 like I suggested? Ok. I concede. You've won a point. That is completely irrelevant as to whether they do their job today.
 
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The Republican pols never were (and the Dems aren't now) worried about information falling in the hands of the enemy. They were pizzed that information might be withheld from them.
 
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http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/technology/donald-trump-internet/index.html

In a speech at the U.S.S. Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, on Monday, Trump referenced the use by ISIS of social media as a recruitment tool. He recommended a discussion with Bill Gates to shut off parts of the Internet.

"We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet," Trump said. "We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."
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Let's ignore for a minute how possible this is and how legal this is. My favorite part is he thinks that Bill Gates is in charge of the internet.
 
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