POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

But they are pretty inseparable. One leads to the other. And as an example, where does Marx say the bourgeoisie gives up their property voluntarily for the good of the state? He doesn't, because they won't. Which means the proletariat must seize their property by force. And as people are generally inclined to protect their homes and property, you're probably gonna have to kill or imprison them to take their stuff. Which as we've seen several times, is exactly the form this particular ideology takes. Just ask 65 million Chinese or 20 million Russians. (You can't. They're dead.)

And even after that initial murdering is done, it continues, because Communism as some happy, "everybody is equal - no one is above anyone else" does not exist because for one, people are not wired that way and someone will always take power unchecked. Pretending the ideology when put into practice leads to something else that is good, is just that -- pretend.

Not defending the USSR in anyway, but I still think you are confusing things.

When the Russian revolution began, EVERYTHING was owned by royalty of some type. All of it. And everyone else was treated like crap.

Where people died was when Communism in one person's view was different than someone else- and the thug won. And won over anyone who didn't agree. That's not communism speaking, that's thuggery.

Given how the world was going, England was lucky to have a Parliament that they elected- as they could have easily fallen into the same spot at the Russians had they not- people died in WWI due to the "Lords" being the only ones that could be officers, and most were terrible at doing it, and much of the population was cheap labor. Just like in Russia.

The thuggery is one MORE reason that so many people are against don- he's a two bit thug. And is using the office as his battering ram.

Hitler came to power in an elected government system, too. Left unchecked, we saw what happened there.

The reasons why communism doesn't work isn't because of thuggery and dictatorships. It's because people just can't work that way.

 

[joecct]

My sarcasm detector is broken. Please tell me this is a joke.

nope. Your side wants him out and will stoop to anything to do so.

Read how the Radical Republicans went after Andrew Johnson (a Dem/Unionist). It was ugly, even by the standards of 19th century journalism.

And, if you can, read JFK's portrait of Edmund Ross in "Profiles in Courage."

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

That's the scarlet lipstick on a killer zombie pig. Look into it.

So the US communist party want to kill a bunch of people? Is that their stated goal?

They may be wrong in the economic system that they want to do, but that does not mean they want obliterate anyone but their own race.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

tD has a point, though. The left is gunning for a coup d'etat.

Heck, the Minneapolis (Red) Star-Tribune laid out how to do it ... Constitutionally.
http://www.startribune.com/impeach-president-trump-nah-but-invoke-the-25th-amendment-hmm/422641744/

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

I'll take as much action as you're willing to put down as to Trump ever being an inmate in Leavenworth. (I'll do the same for Obama.)

Woosh.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

Given his personality, it would not surprise me in the least if he told people to get the FBI to end the inquiry. No, we don't have all the facts yet but if what Comey alleges is true (and why would he make that up?) how is this any different than Nixon having the CIA tell the FBI to back off the Watergate investigation?

I don't think it is, except in one very important way. It is 45 years later and 100+ days into an administration that has basically been a firestorm.

Let's be honest. Since the night of the election, political discussion in this country has been nothing short of an astounding frenzy. It's something about which (hopefully) some really excellent books and studies are penned, because I think it's certainly unprecedented here.

The result of that is the demand to back off gets lost in the noise. It just becomes what is, and has been since early November, "normal."

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

I'm not happy; I am frustrated; however, this is not an impeachable offense.

The blind squirrel wins.

Relative to your posts about Secretary Clinton, your lack of happiness and degree of frustration are incredibly quiet. Almost defensive.

Kinda sad. I thought you really had principles.

Instead you will hide behind the law to protect someone who outright betrays secrets vs. someone who might have, could have....

Reminds me that I have stated that I'm not going to bother protecting the rights of many gun owners. They don't stand up for any other right besides the one to own guns.

 

[jerphisch]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

nope. Your side wants him out and will stoop to anything to do so.

Please provide a list of stoops made to date.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

Please provide a list of stoops made to date.

Seconded.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

I'd like to posit BitCoin is the genetic mutation to capitalism that may be the next thing, or the origin of it, but, we'll be dead before we'll know. Then again, BitCoin is just another way to maneuver about in capitalism.

Bitcoin is a currency system, it's counterpart is sovereign currency. That's just one component of whatever economic system you're under. It would be a pretty big change, though.

I've tried asking my genius economist friend this but I didn't understand 2.5% of his answer: could there be a single world currency? Can you have an economic market that has no "other" or do you need to have at least 2 currencies to establish the relative value of each currency?

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

"One. We want more."

 

[GrinCDXX]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

"One We want more."

How could Rep Amash stoop so low--he's trying to orchestrate a coup!

 

[BassAle]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

nope. Your side wants him out and will stoop to anything to do so.

the only people stooping are righties like you bending over to lick Trump's ***.

There should be no "sides" here, Trump is a disgrace and anyone with half a brain should want him gone, but you're here crying about how unfair the Democrats are.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

Suckers.

Donald Trump's White House has renewed sanctions relief for Iran, despite the US president's past criticism.

The easing of sanctions is part of a crucial nuclear deal brokered in 2015 under then-President Barack Obama with five other world powers.

Mr Trump has described the landmark agreement as the "worst deal ever".

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

Relative to your posts about Secretary Clinton, your lack of happiness and degree of frustration are incredibly quiet.

I'm resigned to the reality that there are laws for us, but not for folks in DC.

But, as Kep said, in this case, Trump couldn't break the law. Blind squirrel wins.

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

nope. Your side wants him out and will stoop to anything to do so.

Read how the Radical Republicans went after Andrew Johnson (a Dem/Unionist). It was ugly, even by the standards of 19th century journalism.

And, if you can, read JFK's portrait of Edmund Ross in "Profiles in Courage."

Did someone on the left take over don's twitter account?

Did someone on the left admit during an NBC interview that he fired a CIA director due to what he's investigating?

Did someone on the left brag about supplying what was confidential information to the Russians?

Did someone on the left make Flynn have a relationship with the Russians? Make him take money from them? Make Sessions have conversations with the Russians to the degree that he recused himself?

Give me a break. don and his cronies are doing all of this.

Had he taken the job seriously, none of this would be happening. Done.

But somehow you are ok with it?

Guys like you *****ed and moaned when Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch due to possible, but far far from confirmed conflicts of interest. Where's the same *****ing and moaning when the CIA director gets fired? Where's the same *****ing and moaning with all of the Russian ties that have lead to people either getting fired or them recusing themselves from situations- which shows that the contacts were REAL. For that matter, where's ANY *****ing and moaning about possible ties to Russia??? How can that be so easily overlooked?

And where in the world is the *****ing and moaning to the degree that was done over the RISK or exposing secrets vs. the handing over to people who are absolutely NOT our allies, and for that matter, work with countries who are against us????? Seriously?????

How in the world do you defend handing Russia secretes and then bragging about it?

Do you have ANY principles?

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

Can you have an economic market that has no "other" or do you need to have at least 2 currencies to establish the relative value of each currency?

The historic "second currency" has always been gold.

< insert bad late night TV commercial about owning gold here >

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

I'm resigned to the reality that there are laws for us, but not for folks in DC.

But, as Kep said, in this case, Trump couldn't break the law. Blind squirrel wins.

I'm sorry, that's just not acceptable.

You are more upset about someone who might have risked information than someone who handed it over, for crying out loud. Real, classified secrets.

Does it really matter that one *might* have been illegal, and other was legal?

Just because don didn't break the law, it's Ok for him to pass over secrets to the russians?????

Holy crap. That's totally pathetic.

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

the only people stooping are righties like you bending over to lick Trump's ***.

There should be no "sides" here, Trump is a disgrace and anyone with half a brain should want him gone, but you're here crying about how unfair the Democrats are.

What's ironic about guys like joe- some of my rightie friends think don is a RINO. Even a closet democrat.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

No, alfa, as Kep said, Trump declassified them because he can as POTUS the minute he blabbed.

Stupid? Yup.
Ham-fisted? Yup.

Illegal. Nope. --> "It's good to be the King!" -- Mel Brooks

I'm going numb to the shrill, from both sides. Why? Oh, while folks are dissecting a memo few have seen and calling for impeachment but can't show proof of an impeachable offense, Trump is changing Iran sanctions and pushing for an Arab "NATO". <-- The magician's other hand.