POTUS 45.08: Suckers

[dxmnkd316]

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I think Warren would lose in a landslide. She is not well-liked away from the coasts. She might win Minnesota, but we'd be a Hawaii in an ocean of red.

 

[Biddco]

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I think Warren would lose in a landslide. She is not well-liked away from the coasts. She might win Minnesota, but we'd be a Hawaii in an ocean of red.

Agreed, she would be a bad national candidate. I think many men wouldn't vote for her because of her outspoken style, need a candidate with a broader appeal.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Bill Maher on Real Time during his interview with Elizabeth Warren talked about Trump voters and what the Democrats could do to win them.

And he covered it at the end of the show.

His conclusion? You can't talk to them. The Democrats would be wasting their time trying to talk to them. With the election being so close and Hillary hated so much yet garnering so many votes it was a key contributing factor that she wasted time on Republicans. If she had spent all her time just on her base she may have pulled it off.

This also is a key indicator that were not likely to get less polarized anytime soon. It's war in the Legislature. It's war in the States. It's war all over the place. Iraq is a three state solution and the US if they don't watch it is going to need a 2 state solution.

If the only way to fight hard line extremism is with opposing hard line extremism, then we've all already lost. That makes us the Israelis and the Palestinians in the West Bank, but with fewer terrorists.

The idea that this country needs BOTH parties to be hard line ideolouges needs to end. We need fewer extremists, not more.

The only hope for this country is a Coalition Of The Reasonable to reclaim moderates and give them a new option.

 

[rufus]

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Interesting...supoorting trolls even when they trolling hurts you. That is like backing the bully who beats you up because he beats everyone else up as well.

No it's not that. They won't get beaten up. At least, they don't think so. They're the good guys, and the bully's on their side. The one's who'll get beat up are the ones who deserve it. The blacks, the Meskins, the A-rabs, all those freeloaders on welfare driving around in nice cars with their smartie phones, while they're working 80 hours a week and barely scraping by.

By the time they realize that they're getting hurt too, it's too late, but there's another Republican candidate coming along blaming all their woes on someone else. They never connect 2+2. Even worse, they don't really want to.

 

[rufus]

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I don't think this could have happened until recently. There are a lot of reasons, and things to blame, that it did happen but a major reason is the near death of journalism in this country. What was journalism is now the media, and that's not just semantics. The ideas of investigation, depth, intelligent analysis have all but given way to ratings. This past election was a reality TV show not a presidential campaign. The hundreds of hours of free coverage Trump got because of ratings, the moral equivalencies in service of some immature notion of "fairness", the lack of follow up, accountability, attention span allowed this to happen.

Investigation and in depth doesn't make you money. People don't want to read that chit. Who's banging who on The Bachelor?

 

[Handyman]

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I don't think this could have happened until recently. There are a lot of reasons, and things to blame, that it did happen but a major reason is the near death of journalism in this country. What was journalism is now the media, and that's not just semantics. The ideas of investigation, depth, intelligent analysis have all but given way to ratings. This past election was a reality TV show not a presidential campaign. The hundreds of hours of free coverage Trump got because of ratings, the moral equivalencies in service of some immature notion of "fairness", the lack of follow up, accountability, attention span allowed this to happen.

But it's not surprising. I'm a firm believer in the saying a country gets the leaders it deserves. We've checked out of civic life as a society and culture. We've crawled inside our phones and tuned the real world out. We got a narcissist as President? How shocking, let me just login to Facebook to let people know what I bought at the supremarket this morning and then I'll think about that, if I don't get distracted posting a couple of selfies on Instagram first. Journalism became "the media" because that's what we want, that's what we consume, that's all we can be bothered with, a simplistic reality TV show election crammed in around Snapchat, Twitter, and Finsta.

Agreed 100%.

(What in the heck is Finsta?)

 

[Handyman]

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I think Warren would lose in a landslide. She is not well-liked away from the coasts. She might win Minnesota, but we'd be a Hawaii in an ocean of red.

Then people in the middle are even dumber than I give them credit for. She isnt the candidate I want but if Dems outside the coast dislike her then that pretty much supports my point that as a party they are an epic failure.

 

[Handyman]

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If the only way to fight hard line extremism is with opposing hard line extremism, then we've all already lost. That makes us the Israelis and the Palestinians in the West Bank, but with fewer terrorists.

The idea that this country needs BOTH parties to be hard line ideolouges needs to end. We need fewer extremists, not more.

The only hope for this country is a Coalition Of The Reasonable to reclaim moderates and give them a new option.

Yeah they tried that in Israel...Yitzhak Rabin was shot by his own people because of it. When the extremes are in control being reasonable gets you ignored.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Yeah they tried that in Israel...Yitzhak Rabin was shot by his own people because of it. When the extremes are in control being reasonable gets you ignored.

We are so ****ed

 

[French Rage]

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Who's banging who on The Bachelor?

Chris Soules is banging into a tractor trailer.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Then people in the middle are even dumber than I give them credit for. She isnt the candidate I want but if Dems outside the coast dislike her then that pretty much supports my point that as a party they are an epic failure.

She's also not a leader. She's a rabble rouser. Like Bernie. Obama and Clinton are leaders. They don't just have vision, they also have the skills to reach their goals.

Warren and Bernie are idealists who couldn't lead their supporters out of a paper bag. What legislation have they authored and gotten passed? What have they done?

They're terrible candidates because they are terrible leaders. Whether that's the reason flyover country hates her is kind of irrelevant.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I think Warren would lose in a landslide. She is not well-liked away from the coasts. She might win Minnesota, but we'd be a Hawaii in an ocean of red.

As I just said in the Congress thread - half of America sees her as Hillary with designer glasses.

 

[Handyman]

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She's also not a leader. She's a rabble rouser. Like Bernie. Obama and Clinton are leaders. They don't just have vision, they also have the skills to reach their goals.

Warren and Bernie are idealists who couldn't lead their supporters out of a paper bag. What legislation have they authored and gotten passed? What have they done?

They're terrible candidates because they are terrible leaders. Whether that's the reason flyover country hates her is kind of irrelevant.

Sorry but if you think Warren "couldnt lead her supporters out of paper bag" you havent done enough research. She is annoying as hell some times but leadership is definitely NOT one of her deficiencies. Put it this way, she is a way better leader than Hillary could ever be and she isnt seen as a cold heart android.

Again she isnt my pick (I dont hide my praying Franken runs) but a lot of the criticisms of her that we hear sound ridiculously close to the BS we heard about Hillary. It isnt a coincidence either...

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I don't think this could have happened until recently. There are a lot of reasons, and things to blame, that it did happen but a major reason is the near death of journalism in this country. What was journalism is now the media, and that's not just semantics. The ideas of investigation, depth, intelligent analysis have all but given way to ratings. This past election was a reality TV show not a presidential campaign. The hundreds of hours of free coverage Trump got because of ratings, the moral equivalencies in service of some immature notion of "fairness", the lack of follow up, accountability, attention span allowed this to happen.

But it's not surprising. I'm a firm believer in the saying a country gets the leaders it deserves. We've checked out of civic life as a society and culture. We've crawled inside our phones and tuned the real world out. We got a narcissist as President? How shocking, let me just login to Facebook to let people know what I bought at the supremarket this morning and then I'll think about that, if I don't get distracted posting a couple of selfies on Instagram first. Journalism became "the media" because that's what we want, that's what we consume, that's all we can be bothered with, a simplistic reality TV show election crammed in around Snapchat, Twitter, and Finsta.

Get out of my head, there are enough voices in there already!

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I think Warren would lose in a landslide. She is not well-liked away from the coasts. She might win Minnesota, but we'd be a Hawaii in an ocean of red.

We proved, at least circa 2016, that America is not ready for a female president. Had Hillary been Hank, Trump probably would have lost PA, OH, MI and WI and we'd be listening to Republicans whining about impeaching him! All kidding aside, too many people here won't vote for a woman and what's even sadder is many are women themselves.

 

[Handyman]

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We proved, at least circa 2016, that America is not ready for a female president. Had Hillary been Hank, Trump probably would have lost PA, OH, MI and WI and we'd be listening to Republicans whining about impeaching him! All kidding aside, too many people here won't vote for a woman and what's even sadder is many are women themselves.

Hank Clinton loses too. The Clinton name had as much to do with it as it being a woman IMHO.

Maybe This is Why Trump Wants to Start a Trade War With Canada

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Sorry but if you think Warren "couldnt lead her supporters out of paper bag" you havent done enough research. She is annoying as hell some times but leadership is definitely NOT one of her deficiencies. Put it this way, she is a way better leader than Hillary could ever be and she isnt seen as a cold heart android.

Again she isnt my pick (I dont hide my praying Franken runs) but a lot of the criticisms of her that we hear sound ridiculously close to the BS we heard about Hillary. It isnt a coincidence either...

I tend to think she'd be a capable leader, but again, half of America just sees "female, former Harvard prof", and we're done.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Sorry but if you think Warren "couldnt lead her supporters out of paper bag" you havent done enough research. She is annoying as hell some times but leadership is definitely NOT one of her deficiencies. Put it this way, she is a way better leader than Hillary could ever be and she isnt seen as a cold heart android.

Again she isnt my pick (I dont hide my praying Franken runs) but a lot of the criticisms of her that we hear sound ridiculously close to the BS we heard about Hillary. It isnt a coincidence either...

What has she accomplished? What has she gotten passed? She isn't a better leader than Hillary. Hillary led the State Dept, she led non-profits, she's been a partner at a law firm, she helped create the Clinton Foundation.

Warren has stood on a soapbox her entire life.

 

[Handyman]

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What has she accomplished? What has she gotten passed? She isn't a better leader than Hillary. Hillary led the State Dept, she led non-profits, she's been a partner at a law firm, she helped create the Clinton Foundation.

Warren has stood on a soapbox her entire life.

We arent going to agree on this...her fight for Consumer Protection beats most of what Hillary did and she doesnt have the baggage either. Hillary had the experience but no one was following her anywhere. If they were then the Dems would have voted for her not stayed home.

Now back to the Trumpster Fire...NBC is reporting that their sources say the Trump Transition Team and the White House did vet Flynn and knew all about his ties. Spicey again lied to everyone and got left out to dry. Link to the Tweet

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

We arent going to agree on this...her fight for Consumer Protection beats most of what Hillary did and she doesnt have the baggage either.

Convince Trump voters of that, and explain how she's different from socialist, gun-crusader Hillary. Good luck!