POTUS 45.08: Suckers

[St. Clown]

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That was one of the hardest things I ever wrote...and this nimrod speaks like this ALL THE TIME!!

And if you don't read that in Trump's voice, then you've not been up on the news for the past 20 months. You did pretty good work there.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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And if you don't read that in Trump's voice, then you've not been up on the news for the past 20 months. You did pretty good work there.

Lately when I hear a clip on the radio, he starts out normal, presidential even some of the time. Then by the end his concentration is gone and he's back to adding hyperbole and "trust me" to every sentence.

 

[burd]

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I know, he's like an experiment where you cross Terry McAuliffe with Ryan Leaf. We should come full blitz every down -- the putz will dissolve into a pool of his own self-pitying tears.

Ryan Leaf threw interceptions. Our grade school prez is capable of the most catastrophic foreign policy f uck up of all time if he's compensating.

Of if he's not.

But I guess that's why you have to try to knock him out of the game.

 

[Slap Shot]

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What makes Trump so scary is that traditionally America has been seen as a rock. Good or bad you knew what you were going to get. Nobody knows what Trump will do next and it makes the rest of the world very uneasy and that is not a good thing.

 

[Handyman]

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Oh Ivanka...

Always fighting for Women...except when they work for you right Donna Trump?

"Today’s report includes violations of overtime limits, workplace safety concerns, and required 57 hour weeks for near Chinese minimum wage."

 

[The Rube]

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Do me a personal favor and please stay. I like your inputs. I don't know why there's a current flamefest, but these things happen from time to time. It will cool down again.

One last post, for a while.

This is a general post. I don't care if you disagree with me. And if you don't like that I disagree with you, that's fine, too.

I am sick of the "you don't agree with me? Than (insult) and (dismissive retort)." This is how we got to this point in politics. This has probably always been there (both sides). It's been magnified more and more.

I read an article today on Obama's appearance yesterday for some youth. He said a very wise thing: "Listen to understand. Do not listen to respond." Some here really should take that advice.

 

[GrinCDXX]

One last post, for a while.

This is a general post. I don't care if you disagree with me. And if you don't like that I disagree with you, that's fine, too.

I am sick of the "you don't agree with me? Than (insult) and (dismissive retort)." This is how we got to this point in politics. This has probably always been there (both sides). It's been magnified more and more.

I read an article today on Obama's appearance yesterday for some youth. He said a very wise thing: "Listen to understand. Do not listen to respond." Some here really should take that advice.

The dismissiveness isn't because of disagreement with your positions, it's because you seem incapable of defending your positions with anything of substance.

 

[The Rube]

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The dismissiveness isn't because of disagreement with your positions, it's because you seem incapable of defending your positions with anything of substance.

I disagree. Someone asks me something, I answer, and then get called "Switzerland," or accused of believing that BS pizza store porno story, or wearing a tinfoil hat, or actually believing that Hill would be a worse prez than Trump, or some other BS that is completely untrue. Tired of it.

 

[alfablue]

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Der Feckless Fuhrer loses again.

Where's flag's reply to that?

He totally claimed that these cities and states were in trouble....

 

[ericredaxe]

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I disagree. Someone asks me something, I answer, and then get called "Switzerland," or accused of believing that BS pizza store porno story, or wearing a tinfoil hat, or actually believing that Hill would be a worse prez than Trump, or some other BS that is completely untrue. Tired of it.

This thread has indeed largely become a far left wing circle jerk. No space for centrists anymore.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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We never learn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/...ur-laffer.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

WASHINGTON — A white cloth napkin, now displayed in the National Museum of American History, helped change the course of modern economics. On it, the economist Arthur Laffer in 1974 sketched a curve meant to illustrate his theory that cutting taxes would spur enough economic growth to generate new tax revenue.

More than 40 years after those scribblings, President Trump is reviving the so-called Laffer curve as he announces the broad outlines of a tax overhaul on Wednesday. What the first President George Bush once called “voodoo economics” is back, as Mr. Trump’s advisers argue that deep cuts in corporate taxes will ultimately pay for themselves with an explosion of new business and job creation.

History has failed in this country. Failed.

 

[unofan]

This thread has indeed largely become a far left wing circle jerk. No space for centrists anymore.

You supported Gary Johnson. That's not being a centrist.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You supported Gary Johnson. That's not being a centrist.

It also falls on deaf ears that Clinton and Obama are both centrists. As the right continues to drag us to the right the middle continues to move with it. You can even make (I have) a solid argument that Obama was more small "c" conservative than GW. And it'd be an easy argument to win.

I'm not far left but I'm sure I'm in the circle jerk bucket that ericredaxe is describing. That's the core thing that has changed in this country more than any other. People continue to excuse the plutocracy and pretend it doesn't exist. The first President Bush called it voodoo economics. It fell on deaf ears and as I posted below it's falling on even deafer ears now.

 

[ericredaxe]

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You supported Gary Johnson. That's not being a centrist.

Actually didn't end up doing so... not once he proved to be a dope anyway

 

[SJHovey]

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Der Feckless Fuhrer loses again.

I think this is one of the best things to come out of this Presidency. I hope Trump keeps cranking out Executive Orders and the Courts keep shooting them down. Four years of decisions stamping out Executive Orders is actually going to be a positive, in the long run.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think this is one of the best things to come out of this Presidency. I hope Trump keeps cranking out Executive Orders and the Courts keep shooting them down. Four years of decisions stamping out Executive Orders is actually going to be a positive, in the long run.

It's a step in the right direction. The question is when does Congress actually start doing their job? The Turtle has done more to destroy the Legislative Branch of the Federal Government than any other individual in history.

 

[SJHovey]

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It also falls on deaf ears that Clinton and Obama are both centrists. As the right continues to drag us to the right the middle continues to move with it. You can even make (I have) a solid argument that Obama was more small "c" conservative than GW. And it'd be an easy argument to win.

I'm not far left but I'm sure I'm in the circle jerk bucket that ericredaxe is describing. That's the core thing that has changed in this country more than any other. People continue to excuse the plutocracy and pretend it doesn't exist. The first President Bush called it voodoo economics. It fell on deaf ears and as I posted below it's falling on even deafer ears now.

The only centrists most of us know are those we see when we look in the mirror.

I hesitate to speak for someone else, but I think what eric is getting at is if you are a person who is anywhere on the right half of the political spectrum, you're going to feel like a pretty distinct minority around here. It's like if I wandered over to gopher puck live or you posted at siouxsports. Posters there may disagree with one another, quite strongly, on a number of things. But when we enter, we'll hear it from all sides and to us it will sound like the rest of the posters are all saying the same thing.

Now, some people, like Bob Gray, choose not to put up with that aggravation. Others don't mind. Me personally, I kind of like it. As a middle aged white male with no known disabilities, I don't find myself in a lot of minority groups. Personally I'd hate it if everything I posted most of the board with agree with in some form or another.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The only centrists most of us know are those we see when we look in the mirror.

I hesitate to speak for someone else, but I think what eric is getting at is if you are a person who is anywhere on the right half of the political spectrum, you're going to feel like a pretty distinct minority around here. It's like if I wandered over to gopher puck live or you posted at siouxsports. Posters there may disagree with one another, quite strongly, on a number of things. But when we enter, we'll hear it from all sides and to us it will sound like the rest of the posters are all saying the same thing.

Now, some people, like Bob Gray, choose not to put up with that aggravation. Others don't mind. Me personally, I kind of like it. As a middle aged white male with no known disabilities, I don't find myself in a lot of minority groups. Personally I'd hate it if everything I posted most of the board with agree with in some form or another.

Bob put up with a lot. But, he could never square the logical fallacy in his arguments. That was his downfall. I can appreciate the pro-life position. I can. But when the logical fallacies are pointed out the pro-lifers have no answers. There's another thread for that issue and it'd be pointless for me to list all the logical fallacies here. I have done it numerous times on this board through the years and never has it been squared.

 

[Handyman]

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The only centrists most of us know are those we see when we look in the mirror.

I hesitate to speak for someone else, but I think what eric is getting at is if you are a person who is anywhere on the right half of the political spectrum, you're going to feel like a pretty distinct minority around here. It's like if I wandered over to gopher puck live or you posted at siouxsports. Posters there may disagree with one another, quite strongly, on a number of things. But when we enter, we'll hear it from all sides and to us it will sound like the rest of the posters are all saying the same thing.

Now, some people, like Bob Gray, choose not to put up with that aggravation. Others don't mind. Me personally, I kind of like it. As a middle aged white male with no known disabilities, I don't find myself in a lot of minority groups. Personally I'd hate it if everything I posted most of the board with agree with in some form or another.

Bob Gray was fine when he wasnt putting himself on the cross and judging everyone. Over the years he went from being a pretty solid person to have discussions with to going full on loonbat.

Sicatoka disappeared right about the time we all started calling him out because he ripped Hillary all through the election (and played con games defending Trump while pretending he wasnt) and then when people in the Trump Administration were under investigation (with actual proof not just allegations) he went decidedly silent.

I only speak for me but I dont have any problems with people on the Right, I have a problem with hypocrisy. (and you can look back I get in fights with Lefties about it as much as Righties) If Righties want to rip Obama for something that is fine...then rip Trump for it too. (same with Lefties and Obama) Either something is good or it is bad...who is doing it should not figure in. RIGHT NOW the Right and many of the people who speak loudest in support of them have a serious problem with hypocrisy. And this isnt garden variety "my guy did it so it is ok" hypocrisy...but full on delusional defending everything you supposedly hate style hypocrisy and I am going to go after that. And while it is being overused a bit now, there is some major false equivalencies that are going on. It is offensive to those of us that have been around here discussing this stuff for quite some time to pretend that there isnt a difference in the arguments.

Lets put it this way, I dont have any personal issue with you or eric or Brent or Sica or Wiscko or hell even Bob. I dont have any personal problem with my best friend who is a Reagan Republican who hated Obama for various reasons. But when you make a specious argument that isnt supported by facts you will called out for it...just like I should be if I do the same thing

 

[Kepler]

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I hesitate to speak for someone else, but I think what eric is getting at is if you are a person who is anywhere on the right half of the political spectrum, you're going to feel like a pretty distinct minority around here.

This works the other way too, though. As somebody who is far enough left that I can barely see the smoke from the next commune's chimney, I take it as read that whenever I post a cogent leftist idea it will be met with lazy "put down the bong"-esque derision (never actually addressing the merits, of course).

I doubt people on the right notice but personally I go out of my way to distinguish between Conservatism, which has a long and storied tradition and IMO is one of the two wheels that supports the axle of a good society, and Reactionary Claptrap, which unfortunately has taken root here in the US on the right since the mid-90s. I talk about Russell Kirk a lot, but also Michael Oakeshott and even William F. Buckley as the epitome of worthy opponents. Sure, they were wrong, but they were wrong in interesting ways, and they were intellectually honest.

The right has driven itself into an ideological ditch and it's incredibly unhealthy for the country. Conservative values are valid and well represented in the wider community, and the abandonment of intelligence (and morality) by conservative thought leaders in the US is a tragic dereliction of duty. I understand why even conservatives of conscience have to support these dolts -- it's what they've got. But I don't think it's shocking that those who support, or at least excuse, a party that right now is such a mind-bending representation of fear-mongering, hate, and greed, might be characterized (or mischaracterized) as accessories.