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POTUS 45.08: Suckers

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SJHovey said:
There is nothing in the proposed law that requires you to take comp time instead of being paid time and a half for your work. In fact, the law would even allow you to elect to take comp time, then if you change your mind after you make that election but before you actually use the comp time, you can and you'll get your time and a half money then.
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To trix's credit of the argument, can an employer mandate your overtime be made compensatory?

Also, with my former employer, when I had comp time, anything I didn't use by the end of the year was paid to me as if it were traditional overtime. It wasn't treating like a floating holiday.
 
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Kepler said:
^ Still hasn't figured out that plutocrats and trans-national corporations are at the heart of "economic populism."

It's a movement to allow them to run rampant without government oversight. It's sold with cultural baggage so folks like you swallow it.

The call is coming from inside the house.

Sucker.
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Once again, you are lumping "regressives" into the same bucket. Your bucket has both populists AND globalists.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
To trix's credit of the argument, can an employer mandate your overtime be made compensatory?

Also, with my former employer, when I had comp time, anything I didn't use by the end of the year was paid to me as if it were traditional overtime. It wasn't treating like a floating holiday.
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For like the fifth time, NO. Do none of you click on a link that is not Infowars, DailyKos, or TalkingPointsMemo?

The employee and employer have to agree that comp time will be given in lieu of time and a half pay. Furthermore, the employee can agree, then later change his mind if he hasn't already used the comp time.

Finally, if you quit or are fired and you haven't used the comp time, they have to pay you the time and a half. If the end of the year comes and you haven't used the comp time, they have to pay you the time and a half.

Jeebus, people.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Once again, you are lumping "regressives" into the same bucket. Your bucket has both populists AND globalists.
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The causes and propagandists you support are astro-turfed by the very people you think you're fighting. My class is driving your class into serfdom. The only thing in our way is government. So my class creates a movement to defang government, festoons it with country goose knick knacks, and you buy it. :eek:

That's some fine thinkin', Slim. :rolleyes:

I don't like what's coming, but one thing it won't be for me is uncomfortable. You? Have you son ready to clean my pool and your daughter ready to clean my d---, because those are the only jobs they'll qualify for under the order you are putting in place. :cool:
 
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SJHovey said:
For like the fifth time, NO. Do none of you click on a link that is not Infowars, DailyKos, or TalkingPointsMemo?

The employee and employer have to agree that comp time will be given in lieu of time and a half pay. Furthermore, the employee can agree, then later change his mind if he hasn't already used the comp time.

Finally, if you quit or are fired and you haven't used the comp time, they have to pay you the time and a half. If the end of the year comes and you haven't used the comp time, they have to pay you the time and a half.

Jeebus, people.
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And I'm sure some lobbyists will make sure collective bargaining agreements can throw all of this out the window. :rolleyes:

I did not see any sort of link that was to the legal text being proposed, or it was pushed on some other page; these threads have gone by quickly.
 
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Kepler said:
The causes and propagandists you support are astro-turfed by the very people you think you're fighting. My class is driving your class into serfdom. The only thing in our way is government. So my class creates a movement to defang government, festoons it with country goose knick knacks, and you buy it. :eek:

That's some fine thinkin', Slim. :rolleyes:

I don't like what's coming, but one thing it won't be for me is uncomfortable. You? Have you son ready to clean my pool and your daughter ready to clean my d---, because those are the only jobs they'll qualify for under the order you are putting in place. :cool:
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You really are blind. The corporatist government is the one creating the situation you're trying to claim that I'm fighting for.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You really are blind. The corporatist government is the one creating the situation you're trying to claim that I'm fighting for.
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You don't understand what fascism is, do you?

Fascism operated from a Social Darwinist view of human relations. The aim was to promote superior individuals and weed out the weak. In terms of economic practice, this meant promoting the interests of successful businessmen while destroying trade unions and other organizations of the working class. Both the National Socialists of Germany and the Fascists of Italy nationalized all independent trade unions, as had Vladimir Lenin in Soviet Russia, along with banning strikes and lockouts. Under this labor policy, Italy and Germany enacted laws to make union membership compulsory for all workers.

Fascist governments encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve the national interest. Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because "the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise... Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social."
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Get it, yet? Seriously, do you even have an inkling of what you are supporting? Do you even recognize that the GOP has become a de facto fascist party?
 
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So, the deal maker got a deal in the House that contradicts everything he said on the campaign trail. And, it doesn't have a single new idea in it. You know, the kind of ideas that come from the "Best People". You know, the people he was going to hire when he became President.
 
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SJHovey said:
For like the fifth time, NO. Do none of you click on a link that is not Infowars, DailyKos, or TalkingPointsMemo?

The employee and employer have to agree that comp time will be given in lieu of time and a half pay. Furthermore, the employee can agree, then later change his mind if he hasn't already used the comp time.

Finally, if you quit or are fired and you haven't used the comp time, they have to pay you the time and a half. If the end of the year comes and you haven't used the comp time, they have to pay you the time and a half.

Jeebus, people.
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Well that's not how the news article portrayed it:

Voting along party lines, the House of Representatives passed a bill Tuesday that would allow private-sector employers to compensate their overtime-working employees with paid time off instead of paying them time-and-a-half as currently required.
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That doesn't necessarily imply employees will have a choice to pick one or the other.
 
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In other Trump news he signed the Executive Order which Possibly Gives Religious Organizations the Ability to Become More Politically Active. Thank god for that!

Tell me if you can find the irony in this statement:

"We will not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied or silenced anymore," Trump proclaimed during his remarks, which were marking the National Day of Prayer. "And we will never, ever stand for religious discrimination. Never, ever."
 
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trixR4kids said:
Well that's not how the news article portrayed it:


That doesn't necessarily imply employees will have a choice to pick one or the other.
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I don't think it's so much as to how the article was written as how you read it. The statement you quoted is 100% true. If passed, the bill will allow employers to grant comp time. Right now, private sector employers can't.

Also, in the paragraph after the one you quoted the article specifically points out the law forbids employers from forcing employees to choose comp time.

The problem with the article is that most of the second half of it quotes screeching from Warren and others claiming it's all a big Republican scam. Thus, I'm sure many people who may lean, politically, more towards Warren will read into the story a belief this law will enable employers to stop paying overtime, force paid time off onto their employees, then refuse to grant the employees the time off.
 
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alfablue said:
You are right.

But after 6 years of almost complete lack of real bi-partisanship, isn't it odd that they were able to put a 5 month budget together that had *that* much compromise in it? To the point that it bothered don a LOT. And then we had Melissa McCarthy tell us that this budget should be highlighted in it's bipartisan nature.

It's that part that makes this whole situation odd.

It's almost as if they know something.
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What compromise? They basically just said, "let's leave everything the way it is for now" and used last years' numbers and just extended the period along for a brief time. Nothing shocking or groundbreaking about it.
 
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SJHovey said:
I don't think it's so much as to how the article was written as how you read it. The statement you quoted is 100% true. If passed, the bill will allow employers to grant comp time. Right now, private sector employers can't.

Also, in the paragraph after the one you quoted the article specifically points out the law forbids employers from forcing employees to choose comp time.

The problem with the article is that most of the second half of it quotes screeching from Warren and others claiming it's all a big Republican scam. Thus, I'm sure many people who may lean, politically, more towards Warren will read into the story a belief this law will enable employers to stop paying overtime, force paid time off onto their employees, then refuse to grant the employees the time off.
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Pointing out that Alternative Facts have no party affiliation is a False Equivalency.
 
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rufus said:
What compromise? They basically just said, "let's leave everything the way it is for now" and used last years' numbers and just extended the period along for a brief time. Nothing shocking or groundbreaking about it.
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Everything they wanted to cut, INCLUDING Planned Parenthood, got money. Everything.

How is that not a compromise from Republicans?

They did get more military funding, which was a compromise from the Democrats.

Republicans spent 8 years telling us how President Obama was the worst thing ever, and they somehow figure that continuing the the budget the exact same way won't be noticed???
 
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alfablue said:
Everything they wanted to cut, INCLUDING Planned Parenthood, got money. Everything.

How is that not a compromise from Republicans?

They did get more military funding, which was a compromise from the Democrats.

Republicans spent 8 years telling us how President Obama was the worst thing ever, and they somehow figure that continuing the the budget the exact same way won't be noticed???
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That isnt compromising, that is just quitting.
 
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