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POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
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Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Anonymous is Going After Hair Fuhrer
Meanwhile i am sure Julian Assange is going to release even more information about Hillary's emails...expect his press conference in 2 weeks which will then be cancelled because of "death threats"
Anonymous is Going After Hair Fuhrer
Meanwhile i am sure Julian Assange is going to release even more information about Hillary's emails...expect his press conference in 2 weeks which will then be cancelled because of "death threats"
And Lincoln was the reason Hillary lied.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Or Donald Trump, well, exists.
Or Donald Trump, well, exists.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Was honestly wondering if they were going to go after him. Didn't think they would.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Good.
Anonymous is Going After Hair Fuhrer
Meanwhile i am sure Julian Assange is going to release even more information about Hillary's emails...expect his press conference in 2 weeks which will then be cancelled because of "death threats"
Good.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Regarding health care, it would be nice if my fellow lefties would concentrate on solutions that actually have a snowball's chance in hell of being enacted before we achieve warp speed and make first contact with the Vulcans some time in the 24th(?) century. Who, I understand, have a far superior health care system than our own.
So, single payer will never happen in one big bold swoop. Give it up and stop expecting it to happen. Employer based coverage will not go away overnight.
IF! you want to get closer to a single payer system, you do it gradually and start with people currently not covered by employers or over the age of 65 or below 18 years old. I'd attack this two ways....
1) People 55 and over can buy into Medicare. This is important because a lot of older Americans get turfed from their jobs before they reach 65 and struggle to find another one with benefits. I'd only open this up to people without access to employer coverage for starters.
2) People at the income levels where they qualify for ACA subsidies can purchase into Medicaid for same or similar contributions based on income.
So the question becomes how many people are we talking about? Of the approx. 29M still uninsured in this country, figure 1/3rd of those are illegal immigrants specifically barred from coverage under current law. So we're looking at 20M people. Not a small # but allowing people subsidized care should bring that # down quite a bit. Of course people are free to purchase private insurance if they'd prefer or if they make too much to qualify for the buy in (the self employed, etc). Also don't forget there's a lot of Flaggy type cranks out there who would refuse to have insurance even if it was free as they'd be worried about some govt conspiracy to steal their brain waves.
Regarding health care, it would be nice if my fellow lefties would concentrate on solutions that actually have a snowball's chance in hell of being enacted before we achieve warp speed and make first contact with the Vulcans some time in the 24th(?) century. Who, I understand, have a far superior health care system than our own.
So, single payer will never happen in one big bold swoop. Give it up and stop expecting it to happen. Employer based coverage will not go away overnight.
IF! you want to get closer to a single payer system, you do it gradually and start with people currently not covered by employers or over the age of 65 or below 18 years old. I'd attack this two ways....
1) People 55 and over can buy into Medicare. This is important because a lot of older Americans get turfed from their jobs before they reach 65 and struggle to find another one with benefits. I'd only open this up to people without access to employer coverage for starters.
2) People at the income levels where they qualify for ACA subsidies can purchase into Medicaid for same or similar contributions based on income.
So the question becomes how many people are we talking about? Of the approx. 29M still uninsured in this country, figure 1/3rd of those are illegal immigrants specifically barred from coverage under current law. So we're looking at 20M people. Not a small # but allowing people subsidized care should bring that # down quite a bit. Of course people are free to purchase private insurance if they'd prefer or if they make too much to qualify for the buy in (the self employed, etc). Also don't forget there's a lot of Flaggy type cranks out there who would refuse to have insurance even if it was free as they'd be worried about some govt conspiracy to steal their brain waves.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Serious?
You don't go measured into negotiations with the Trolls. What you're saying here is the compromise not the initial position.
Regarding health care, it would be nice if my fellow lefties would concentrate on solutions that actually have a snowball's chance in hell of being enacted before we achieve warp speed and make first contact with the Vulcans some time in the 24th(?) century. Who, I understand, have a far superior health care system than our own.
So, single payer will never happen in one big bold swoop. Give it up and stop expecting it to happen. Employer based coverage will not go away overnight.
IF! you want to get closer to a single payer system, you do it gradually and start with people currently not covered by employers or over the age of 65 or below 18 years old. I'd attack this two ways....
1) People 55 and over can buy into Medicare. This is important because a lot of older Americans get turfed from their jobs before they reach 65 and struggle to find another one with benefits. I'd only open this up to people without access to employer coverage for starters.
2) People at the income levels where they qualify for ACA subsidies can purchase into Medicaid for same or similar contributions based on income.
So the question becomes how many people are we talking about? Of the approx. 29M still uninsured in this country, figure 1/3rd of those are illegal immigrants specifically barred from coverage under current law. So we're looking at 20M people. Not a small # but allowing people subsidized care should bring that # down quite a bit. Of course people are free to purchase private insurance if they'd prefer or if they make too much to qualify for the buy in (the self employed, etc). Also don't forget there's a lot of Flaggy type cranks out there who would refuse to have insurance even if it was free as they'd be worried about some govt conspiracy to steal their brain waves.
Serious?
You don't go measured into negotiations with the Trolls. What you're saying here is the compromise not the initial position.
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What I learned in the last thread was you need to take an extreme stance and then negotiate...this was in regards to global warming, I asked if it could be applied elsewhere and never got a response.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
To some extent but your initial position can't be so ridiculous that its detrimental to what you're trying to accomplish. On this issue if you campaign on abolishing private insurance and everybody goes single payer, and then you negotiate to something lesser than that, hard core lefties are going to go berserk. This is the exact problem Congressional knucks' are facing. They told their people the ACA could be repealed no problem, and then once it is selling insurance across state lines will solve all coverage problems. That's obviously absurd, but it appeals to simpletons. Now they've got to do something. This is because of the extreme position they've opened with and held ever since.
To some extent but your initial position can't be so ridiculous that its detrimental to what you're trying to accomplish. On this issue if you campaign on abolishing private insurance and everybody goes single payer, and then you negotiate to something lesser than that, hard core lefties are going to go berserk. This is the exact problem Congressional knucks' are facing. They told their people the ACA could be repealed no problem, and then once it is selling insurance across state lines will solve all coverage problems. That's obviously absurd, but it appeals to simpletons. Now they've got to do something. This is because of the extreme position they've opened with and held ever since.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
If it's done it good faith, I don't see why not. The problem is, if the other side isn't negotiating in good faith, what are you to do? I personally wouldn't take that approach, I'd try to deal with the adults' table first. But then again, the Dems tried that and they got nowhere. So maybe it's time to start firing off cap & trade and single-payer.
If it's done it good faith, I don't see why not. The problem is, if the other side isn't negotiating in good faith, what are you to do? I personally wouldn't take that approach, I'd try to deal with the adults' table first. But then again, the Dems tried that and they got nowhere. So maybe it's time to start firing off cap & trade and single-payer.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Analyzing this and other issues using typical negotiation tactics and strategies is difficult. This is not like negotiating a case before trial. This is negotiating a case during trial in front of the jury. Most of what is said is intended to influence the jury, not the other side.
Analyzing this and other issues using typical negotiation tactics and strategies is difficult. This is not like negotiating a case before trial. This is negotiating a case during trial in front of the jury. Most of what is said is intended to influence the jury, not the other side.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
We need a Democratic 11th Commandment.
We need a Democratic 11th Commandment.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Purge the Third Way folks?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)
"We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." -- Franklin
I hereby pledge that I shall not speak ill of any fellow Democrat until we hold the White House and both chambers of Congress.
Deuteronomy 6:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)
"We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." -- Franklin
I hereby pledge that I shall not speak ill of any fellow Democrat until we hold the White House and both chambers of Congress.
Deuteronomy 6:
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Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Back in the day, the Catholic Church had problems with people considering the current Bishop of Rome to be "illegitimate" (in theory. In fact, there were a few). They came up with the Anti Pope.
So I propose the Democrats elect an Anti President and establish the capital of the Anti USA in Berkeley, CA.
Back in the day, the Catholic Church had problems with people considering the current Bishop of Rome to be "illegitimate" (in theory. In fact, there were a few). They came up with the Anti Pope.
So I propose the Democrats elect an Anti President and establish the capital of the Anti USA in Berkeley, CA.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
To be fair, the Anti-Pope was in Rome. The real Pope was in Avignon.
#réveiller #oriflammeforever #notallschismatics
To be fair, the Anti-Pope was in Rome. The real Pope was in Avignon.
#réveiller #oriflammeforever #notallschismatics
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
THis might be a joke, I have no idea, but I honestly think the presidency is going to kill him. We haven't had a president in this poor of health since Reagan. And Trump is in far worse shape in addition to his age.
THis might be a joke, I have no idea, but I honestly think the presidency is going to kill him. We haven't had a president in this poor of health since Reagan. And Trump is in far worse shape in addition to his age.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
The Presidency would only kill him if he worked hard or worried about his decisions.
He'll be fine.
The Presidency would only kill him if he worked hard or worried about his decisions.
He'll be fine.
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