Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Sad, but true with some folks.
Sad, but true with some folks.
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POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
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He actually acknowledges they screw up from time to time. Same reason the NYPD acted like petulant children to deblasio when they felt he wasn't supportive enough.
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Yeah, they can't ever explain that to me. Other than Hilary would have been so much worse
I think most cops would vote for Satan, even if Satan ran on a cop killing platform, as long as Satan had the R behind his name
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Bingo. Oh, and yeah he's Black
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Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Three words: "Black Lives Matter".
Three words: "Black Lives Matter".
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
That's not on Obama. So stop right there.
I'm no fan of that group, but I refuse to blame Obama for that. That's some serious bullsh*.
That's not on Obama. So stop right there.
I'm no fan of that group, but I refuse to blame Obama for that. That's some serious bullsh*.
Would that mean that Joe would get a Presidential library, lifetime SS protection, and a $400K pension?
Do it.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
As my understanding of the law, he would. He would be prez, and get all the benefits associated with that.
As my understanding of the law, he would. He would be prez, and get all the benefits associated with that.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Early in his first term he came out, almost in a knee-jerked fashion, as stating the police were wrong during various interactions. He even had to walk back his comments more than a few times. Anybody remember the Beer Summit he had with the Boston officer after finding out the black professor wasn't quite so innocent when arrested?
The police haven't been angels, but he Pres. Obama wasn't very presidential when he started placing himself into the middle of issues that weren't federal issues. And he had to eat crow a couple times early that first term. First impressions are always the strongest. He didn't fare well with the nation's police officers then.
Early in his first term he came out, almost in a knee-jerked fashion, as stating the police were wrong during various interactions. He even had to walk back his comments more than a few times. Anybody remember the Beer Summit he had with the Boston officer after finding out the black professor wasn't quite so innocent when arrested?
The police haven't been angels, but he Pres. Obama wasn't very presidential when he started placing himself into the middle of issues that weren't federal issues. And he had to eat crow a couple times early that first term. First impressions are always the strongest. He didn't fare well with the nation's police officers then.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/...placement.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Sounds like Single Payer to me. Which I know Trump won't go for and the Republicans won't pass. Health Care is a mess. Is anyone going to spend any time on actually fixing the problems?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/...placement.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Sounds like Single Payer to me. Which I know Trump won't go for and the Republicans won't pass. Health Care is a mess. Is anyone going to spend any time on actually fixing the problems?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
It won't be but just imagine for a moment if it was. What a spectacular joke that would be on Ryan et al.
It won't be but just imagine for a moment if it was. What a spectacular joke that would be on Ryan et al.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Perhaps. But there are two sides to most conflicts. Here - Police and inner city minorities. No doubt many police are heros and should be put on pedestals no lower than those in the military. But society pays for the police and they perform their duty as benefits society. Obama has control over the democratic party (and government more broadly) giving him fairly direct influence over law enforcement management that he does not have with society. He is also a public servant of society. So Obama has control over policing behavior but not citizens attitudes.
Perhaps. But there are two sides to most conflicts. Here - Police and inner city minorities. No doubt many police are heros and should be put on pedestals no lower than those in the military. But society pays for the police and they perform their duty as benefits society. Obama has control over the democratic party (and government more broadly) giving him fairly direct influence over law enforcement management that he does not have with society. He is also a public servant of society. So Obama has control over policing behavior but not citizens attitudes.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Well it was his house, so he was one million percent innocent. I think that's the most innocent you can be.
Trump's plan won't be single payer; it was will be Paul Ryan's High Risk Pools, which gives way, way less help, for slightly less cost.
Well it was his house, so he was one million percent innocent. I think that's the most innocent you can be.
Trump's plan won't be single payer; it was will be Paul Ryan's High Risk Pools, which gives way, way less help, for slightly less cost.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20160428/BLOG/160429901
So, they don't have any new ideas then. Cause that's what we had before and it was so awesome we threw it out for Obamacare.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20160428/BLOG/160429901
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Health care is only a mess because insurance doesn't want to cover poor people and therefore torpedoed the health care open markets. Energy is regulated or it might not serve the poor. And we know darn well that private schooling doesn't want to serve the poor as it doesn't today.
Costs are high because we can't price shop insurance - price is about 80% of what people care about in insurance - and therefore, there is no price pressure anywhere (thanks again to health care insurance).
If we want coverage for more than 70% of Americans and we want it cheap, regulation will be a major part of the solution.
Health care is only a mess because insurance doesn't want to cover poor people and therefore torpedoed the health care open markets. Energy is regulated or it might not serve the poor. And we know darn well that private schooling doesn't want to serve the poor as it doesn't today.
Costs are high because we can't price shop insurance - price is about 80% of what people care about in insurance - and therefore, there is no price pressure anywhere (thanks again to health care insurance).
If we want coverage for more than 70% of Americans and we want it cheap, regulation will be a major part of the solution.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
If this turns out to be a complete failure, which is likely, it will be hard to listen to the GOP claim that the failure is the same as it was when ACA was passed. It doesn't matter how bad it might get, we will hear that equivalency and people will eat it up.
Hopefully, however, they will come up with something that improves upon what we have.
If this turns out to be a complete failure, which is likely, it will be hard to listen to the GOP claim that the failure is the same as it was when ACA was passed. It doesn't matter how bad it might get, we will hear that equivalency and people will eat it up.
Hopefully, however, they will come up with something that improves upon what we have.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
Insurance companies only care about their shareholders. Having them as a middle man is killing the health industry and doctors and nurses wanting to be part of their great profession. Maybe real ideas are impossible? I used to think this country could do anything it set it's mind to but now when it can't even keep lead out of drinking water I have my doubts.
If it's unsolvable it's another heavy tax burden on the middle class. Like all insurance. Insurance costs are one of the big things that destroy disposable income and hamstring the middle and lower classes.
Insurance companies only care about their shareholders. Having them as a middle man is killing the health industry and doctors and nurses wanting to be part of their great profession. Maybe real ideas are impossible? I used to think this country could do anything it set it's mind to but now when it can't even keep lead out of drinking water I have my doubts.
If it's unsolvable it's another heavy tax burden on the middle class. Like all insurance. Insurance costs are one of the big things that destroy disposable income and hamstring the middle and lower classes.
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
When health insurance first came about, the idea made sense. It was like car insurance. You might need to use it. You might not. It covered those things that most Americans used doctors for, which was only extreme emergency situations.
The delivery of health care evolved. Preventative care, new drugs, and candidly, some overuse of healthcare by the populace and turned it into something closer to everyday expenses like housing and food.
We would never design a system to purchase insurance to cover the cost of our food needs. Why create a complex "middleman" situation? But that's what we have with healthcare.
I think a single payer system is a bad outcome for this country. But until they invent the time machine and we can go back and change our initial approach to paying for health care, I think it's the only system that will work. Unfortunately we have a huge health insurance system in this country, along with all of the third party payer companies and other associated parties in the system that will keep Congress from ever just scrapping the health insurance system and going to what will be medicare for all.
Our health care system is a mess because the primary method we use to pay for health care did not evolve along with how we use healthcare.
When health insurance first came about, the idea made sense. It was like car insurance. You might need to use it. You might not. It covered those things that most Americans used doctors for, which was only extreme emergency situations.
The delivery of health care evolved. Preventative care, new drugs, and candidly, some overuse of healthcare by the populace and turned it into something closer to everyday expenses like housing and food.
We would never design a system to purchase insurance to cover the cost of our food needs. Why create a complex "middleman" situation? But that's what we have with healthcare.
I think a single payer system is a bad outcome for this country. But until they invent the time machine and we can go back and change our initial approach to paying for health care, I think it's the only system that will work. Unfortunately we have a huge health insurance system in this country, along with all of the third party payer companies and other associated parties in the system that will keep Congress from ever just scrapping the health insurance system and going to what will be medicare for all.
Couldn't agree more with this. Insurance is good for something like your car or home where it's rare you ever need to make a claim but not so much for something like health care which everyone needs. It's a layer of cost and complexity with no real benefit.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45.0: It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
We also tied it to employment and had our employers provide it which was another bad idea.
And then this beauty.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114045132
We also tied it to employment and had our employers provide it which was another bad idea.
And then this beauty.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114045132
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