Patty Kaz 2014 Thread

[PrincetonFan]

Now that we're at the break it's a good time to consider the Patty Kazmaier race. It looks wide open at this point, with Kelly Babstock, Jamie Lee Ratray, and a host of Golden Gophers at the top of the list. Thoughts?

 

[CrazyDave]

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As much as I'd love to see another Gopher in this race, the team's balance will probably prevent it as the scoring is too spread out. It's a real nice problem to have.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Haley Skarupa says hello

 

[pokechecker]

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As much as I'd love to see another Gopher in this race, the team's balance will probably prevent it as the scoring is too spread out. It's a real nice problem to have.

at the half way point, 4 of the top 8 forwards are Gophers, and 2 of the top 4 blueliners as far as scoring goes

I wish they'd list the +/- too

 

[Eeyore]

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at the half way point, 4 of the top 8 forwards are Gophers, and 2 of the top 4 blueliners as far as scoring goes

I wish they'd list the +/- too

I'd like to see the adjusted Corsi ratings.

 

[clarksoncluck]

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Forwards? D? Goalies?

ECAC Tops:

Top forwards (ECAC) - Rattray, Fulton Babstock

Top D - Ambrose, Poudrier, Edney

Top Goalies - Maschmeyer, Howe

I haven't checked, but when was the last non-forward selected?

 

[clarksoncluck]

Re: Patty Kaz 2014 Thread

Sorry for the slant to the Knights, but Rattray can be very good and Ambrose is having a great start.

 

[ARM]

I haven't checked, but when was the last non-forward selected?

Vetter in 2009.

I agree on your other Clarkson choices, but has Howe been at the top of her game in the first half? I don't think her performance has been up there with Maschmeyer or Rigsby.

We also have to include Cornell's top line in the discussion, particularly Fulton who leads in Points Per Game.

 

[clarksoncluck]

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Vetter in 2009.

I agree on your other Clarkson choices, but has Howe been at the top of her game in the first half? I don't think her performance has been up there with Maschmeyer or Rigsby.

We also have to include Cornell's top line in the discussion, particularly Fulton who leads in Points Per Game.

Howe has some inconsistencies, but still managed 7 SO's. Maschmeyer was a big difference when Harvard beat Clarkson 2 - 0 earlier. Never seen Rigbsy play, but her stats are good.

Your probably right with the whole Cornell first line, I just like Fulton the most. Both Fulton and Rattray have game changing ability, skate aggressively, score big goals, get pucks to the net, and take the puck to the net.

 

[OnMAA]

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I wish they'd list the +/- too

They do. Just gotta look at the right places.

In the ECAC the +/- leaders are Ambrose (+24) and Babstock (+20)

 

[OnMAA]

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I haven't checked, but when was the last non-forward selected?

Did not check either, but if memory serves me correctly Vetter and probably Ruggiero prior to that. Seems to be happening about every 5 years or so, so maybe due, but IMHO the best recent chance was last year with Raty.

 

[mattj711]

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Howe has some inconsistencies, but still managed 7 SO's. Maschmeyer was a big difference when Harvard beat Clarkson 2 - 0 earlier. Never seen Rigbsy play, but her stats are good.

Your probably right with the whole Cornell first line, I just like Fulton the most. Both Fulton and Rattray have game changing ability, skate aggressively, score big goals, get pucks to the net, and take the puck to the net.

Having watched Cornell a lot. I would put Saulnier as an equal with Fulton when it comes to driving to the net. Both are exceptional players and have very good stick handling skills. Campbell is also extremely good, but has a different skill set. She is smaller and extremely fast. She works best breaking up ice and on the perimeter. All three compliment each other nicely.

 

[wwhyte]

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Having watched Cornell a lot. I would put Saulnier as an equal with Fulton when it comes to driving to the net. Both are exceptional players and have very good stick handling skills. Campbell is also extremely good, but has a different skill set. She is smaller and extremely fast. She works best breaking up ice and on the perimeter, while the other two are great at driving to the net. All three compliment each other nicely.

Saulnier was the standout in the BC series, FWIW.

 

[NMH]

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As we're this early on, I have to at least put Alex Rigsby's name on the list. Rigsby's had a lot less talent in front of her than Vetter did and she'll break pretty much every one of Vetter's Wisco records this year (only one not on the line is shutouts, I believe). Already tied Vetter for wins and took over for total minutes played.

 

[CrazyDave]

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As we're this early on, I have to at least put Alex Rigsby's name on the list. Rigsby's had a lot less talent in front of her than Vetter did and she'll break pretty much every one of Vetter's Wisco records this year (only one not on the line is shutouts, I believe). Already tied Vetter for wins and took over for total minutes played.

My opinion is that I would not. Your argument is flawed because career performance (i.e. prior years) is not supposed to have any influence on the award -- it's a single-year award (a discussion point we seem to have every year).

With Rigsby missing a couple series due to her knee and Ann-Renee Desbiens getting some playing time even before the injury, I see Alex only making the Top 10 at best but not the Top 3.

 

[ARM]

Rigsby's had a lot less talent in front of her than Vetter did and she'll break pretty much every one of Vetter's Wisco records this year ...

I think Rigsby had comparable talent with the exception of last year. The talent works both ways, as Vetter had to share time in net her first couple of seasons because there was more existing talent on the roster at the position.

IMO, the most impressive thing about Vetter's career wins was that 11 of them came in the NCAA Tournament. The tourney will likely expand before anyone touches that mark.

 

[brookyone]

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...because career performance (i.e. prior years) is not supposed to have any influence on the award -- it's a single-year award (a discussion point we seem to have every year).

In light of that fact, a single / current season criteria, I have to suggest Kelly Terry, Sarah Davis and Rachael Bona for potential consideration.

I have personally always wondered if the career accomplishments ever influence those who nominate, vote and select.

 

[OnMAA]

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Saulnier was the standout in the BC series, FWIW.

I've been impressed with Saulnier everytime I've seen her play over the last 5 years or so. I would be shocked if she does not make TC a year or so down the road. Having said that, have not yet seen her play this year, so can not comment on the current season, other than her stats are excellent again.

 

[NMH]

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My opinion is that I would not. Your argument is flawed because career performance (i.e. prior years) is not supposed to have any influence on the award -- it's a single-year award (a discussion point we seem to have every year).

With Rigsby missing a couple series due to her knee and Ann-Renee Desbiens getting some playing time even before the injury, I see Alex only making the Top 10 at best but not the Top 3.

Rigsby's the top ranked goalie in the country at the moment. He previous years have nothing to do with why she should at least be mentioned.
I was making the point that the last non-off. to win was Vetter and Rigsby is a comparable talent.

Rigsby has missed exactly 1.5 games with the knee injury - the one she left early and one this weekend, since it can be assumed ARD would have played one this weekend. Not "a couple of series."

I don't see ARD getting games after the break - Rigsby will play out the season from here.

ARM, if you agree last year's team wasn't as strong as the teams around Vetter, than I think you have to say the same about this one, since it's been widely said this is the first UW team in a long time with no "superstar."

 

[ARM]

I don't see ARD getting games after the break - Rigsby will play out the season from here.

If it is in fact Rigsby's knee, I think it is a bit optimistic to assume she can play 120 minutes a weekend through January. It reminds me of three years ago when Emily West hurt her knee opening weekend, sat for a month, played the UW series, and was then done for the year. Goalies have to stand on their knees for the whole game with no breaks, so I wouldn't push it that hard.

ARM, if you agree last year's team wasn't as strong as the teams around Vetter, than I think you have to say the same about this one, since it's been widely said this is the first UW team in a long time with no "superstar."

The 2007-08 team didn't have anyone putting up huge numbers either; it was only in subsequent years that Duggan and Knight from that roster were viewed as superstars. I'd say you have a couple of players on your roster this year that will be stars before their NCAA careers are done. Even without Decker, I think you have better overall talent this year than last.