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Patriots' Offseason: Last Days of the Dynasty?

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I was just looking back at last year's draft to recall exactly how the Pats ended up with two additional second-rounders this year:

- Pats traded the #23 (Michael Oher) basically in exchange for #41 (Darius Butler), #83 (Brandon Tate), #232 (Julian Edelman), and #44 in the 2010 draft. (These trades went through Baltimore, Green Bay, and Jacksonville, but if I'm not mistaken that's how it breaks down.)

- Pats traded the #89 (Jared Cook) to Tennessee for #47 in the 2010 draft.

I was ripping them last year for not taking Matthews (GB took Matthews with #26, which NE got from Baltimore and then traded away to GB) or somebody who could make a ******* play on defense, but now that I look at that series of moves it looks okay.
 
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Pro Football Weekly did a study, and the Pats have retained 31% of their draft picks from 04-08. Worst in the leage... They really need to start drafting better.
 
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bottomdweller said:
Pro Football Weekly did a study, and the Pats have retained 31% of their draft picks from 04-08. Worst in the league... They really need to start drafting better.
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That can't be right. Detroit has like two guys left from the Millen era drafts.
 
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Goodell gets shouted down. Great start to the night. Love it.:)
 
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Bradford goes to the Rams.
 
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Predictable start.

Reiss:
FOXBORO -- Quick hits from Bill Belichick’s interview on SIRIUS NFL Radio today with Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan:

Assessing the overall draft. Belichick called the draft deep, saying he believes the strength of this draft on the Patriots’ board is from the late first round to the top of the third round. That would seem to indicate that a first-round trade up isn’t on his radar. “I think it’s a little deeper than some of the more recent drafts, the ’07 draft wasn’t a very deep one and I thought the last couple of years were better. I’d put this year right there with it,” he said. “It looks like there are a few players that are kind of the consensus that will go in the top 8, top 10, and after that I get the feeling that there is quite a big swing of who likes who. Some teams could draft a player in the teens that other teams wouldn’t take until the 30s, and vice versa. So it will be interesting to see how all that unfolds. It looks like there is good depth into the third round – probably the strength of the draft is from the end of the first round, from the top of the third, in terms of our grading scale.”

Touching on value of late-round picks. When assessing the team’s 12 draft picks – seven of which come in the final two rounds – Belichick listed off some of the late-round finds for the team in his tenure that have added to the overall competition. Names mentioned by Belichick included Myron Pryor (sixth round, 2009), Julian Edelman (seventh round, 2009), Darryl Richard (seventh round, 2009), Patrick Pass (seventh round, 2000), Tom Brady (sixth round, 2000), David Givens (seventh round, 2002), Matt Cassel (seventh round, 2005). “There are players down there, if you can dig through it,” he said.

Assessing the new draft format. Asked about the new draft format – with the first round Thursday, rounds 2-3 Friday and rounds 4-7 Saturday – Belichick said: “I would expect everyone to treat tomorrow like it’s the first round all over again. I think it will be that kind of mentality.”

Brandon Tate participating in offseason program. While assessing the receivers on the roster, he said, “Brandon Tate has been in the offseason program, he’s done everything”, which reinforces that Tate’s season-ending knee injury hasn’t restricted him this offseason. The 2009 third-round pick is a wild-card in the team’s plans. When talking about the team's receivers, Belichick added: "I think Wes [Welker] is doing well" and then said, "We're not really any position-specific in the draft. We're going to try to take good players and we could use them at every position."

Praises Tim Tebow. Belichick, as he has done throughout the pre-draft process, lauded Florida quarterback Tim Tebow. “I can’t imagine him going to any team and not being able to help that football team,” he said.
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Tom Curran:
Fresno State running back Ryan Mathews and Oklahoma tight end Jermaine Gresham are both expected to be targets of the Patriots when their turn on the clock comes up.

Every team does its own mock draft and three sources from three different teams I spoke with today said that Gresham is the likely pick of the Patriots.

Meanwhile, a trusted source in the media said they were hearing Mathews would be the selection.
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No. 22 will be chosen in the next 15 minutes.

I look back on the mid-00s, when I always just assumed they'd do the right thing, as the good old days. Now I worry about everything they do, especially when it comes to the "measurables" for OLBs and DEs in the system. Just pick a great football player. Come on.
 
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Pats get Denver's first-rounder plus #113 in the fourth round.

Belichick doesn't like huge gaps between picks, but he didn't do much to address it with that trade. However, it gives him another tradeable pick, so we'll see what he does from here.

Rd 1, Pick 24 (24)
Rd 2, Pick 12 (44)
Rd 2, Pick 15 (47)
Rd 2, Pick 21 (53)
Rd 4, Pick 21 (113)
Rd 4, Pick 21 (119)
Rd 6, Pick 21 (190)
Rd 6, Pick 36 (205*)
Rd 7, Pick 22 (229)
Rd 7, Pick 24 (231)
Rd 7, Pick 40 (247*)
Rd 7, Pick 41 (248*)
Rd 7, Pick 43 (250*)
*Compensatory picks can't be traded
 
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And they trade down again.

Dez Bryant to Dallas.
 
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I've been thinking about this, and doesn't trading down just a few picks mean, "We have three guys we like here, and we don't really have a preference"?

I'm not saying that's good or bad, but does that make sense to others? Or am I way off base?

EDIT: Okay, another trade down. Dalllas is going after Bryant, right? Let's see what NE gets.
 
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Revised draft board:

Rd 1, Pick 27 (27)
Rd 2, Pick 12 (44)
Rd 2, Pick 15 (47)
Rd 2, Pick 21 (53)
Rd 3, Pick 26 (90)
Rd 4, Pick 21 (113)
Rd 6, Pick 21 (190)
Rd 6, Pick 36 (205*)
Rd 7, Pick 22 (229)
Rd 7, Pick 24 (231)
Rd 7, Pick 40 (247*)
Rd 7, Pick 41 (248*)
Rd 7, Pick 43 (250*)
*Compensatory picks can't be traded
 
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Pats on the clock again. I think they'll actually pick here.
 
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Jason A said:
I've been thinking about this, and doesn't trading down just a few picks mean, "We have three guys we like here, and we don't really have a preference"?

I'm not saying that's good or bad, but does that make sense to others? Or am I way off base?

EDIT: Okay, another trade down. Dalllas is going after Bryant, right? Let's see what NE gets.
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They just keep trading back for "value"... Who needs first round talent when you can build a team on 2nd rounders and pay less. WILL THEY KEEP THIS PICK.
 
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Fans boo. Pats pick.

Rd 1, Pick 27 (27): Devin McCourty, Rutgers
Rd 2, Pick 12 (44)
Rd 2, Pick 15 (47)
Rd 2, Pick 21 (53)
Rd 3, Pick 26 (90)
Rd 4, Pick 21 (113)
Rd 6, Pick 21 (190)
Rd 6, Pick 36 (205*)
Rd 7, Pick 22 (229)
Rd 7, Pick 24 (231)
Rd 7, Pick 40 (247*)
Rd 7, Pick 41 (248*)
Rd 7, Pick 43 (250*)
*Compensatory picks can't be traded

I had no idea this was coming . . .
 
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