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Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
Some thing looks a little weird on your output UNH 100% at 7 and Yale 82.7% at 7 but no 8 seed?
Some thing looks a little weird on your output UNH 100% at 7 and Yale 82.7% at 7 but no 8 seed?
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
Honestly the only NCAA sport that get the system correct is Div 3 football... Div 1 Football, Basketball (M&W) and hockey are all complete Gongshow's... Not to get off topic but I thought the NCAABB committee this year was on drugs.. Oregon and Ole miss as 12 seeds?!?! seriously?!?! Sending Syracuse as 4 seed all the way to other side of the planet to san jose but having Cal as a 12 play 15 min down the road... At least with hockey you know the system going in... that's something at least... You win the conf. tourney you are in... part of the reason why most fans are upset with the PWR is all you gotta do is get in and you got a chance.. its not that way in Bball.. you got 6 or 7 more wins to go in bball.. hockey.. 2 wins gets you to the FF then all bets are off... College hockey is just a different animal... Try explaining it to someone who doesn't know and you lose them very quickly.. to this day my dad doesn't understand it...
Honestly the only NCAA sport that get the system correct is Div 3 football... Div 1 Football, Basketball (M&W) and hockey are all complete Gongshow's... Not to get off topic but I thought the NCAABB committee this year was on drugs.. Oregon and Ole miss as 12 seeds?!?! seriously?!?! Sending Syracuse as 4 seed all the way to other side of the planet to san jose but having Cal as a 12 play 15 min down the road... At least with hockey you know the system going in... that's something at least... You win the conf. tourney you are in... part of the reason why most fans are upset with the PWR is all you gotta do is get in and you got a chance.. its not that way in Bball.. you got 6 or 7 more wins to go in bball.. hockey.. 2 wins gets you to the FF then all bets are off... College hockey is just a different animal... Try explaining it to someone who doesn't know and you lose them very quickly.. to this day my dad doesn't understand it...
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
Yes it is the cliff but it is still weird. Based on PWR and cliff interaction it can be explained but looking for 10,000 feet it is an odd ball.
Yes it is the cliff but it is still weird. Based on PWR and cliff interaction it can be explained but looking for 10,000 feet it is an odd ball.
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
Sorry, that's a bit misleading -- those columns are separate. First column is % in the tournament, second column is the most likely outcome on a PER TEAM basis.
Take a look at each team's seed percentages by scrolling down -- Yale is 27.7% 7th seed, UNH is 51.75% 7th seed.
Sorry, that's a bit misleading -- those columns are separate. First column is % in the tournament, second column is the most likely outcome on a PER TEAM basis.
Take a look at each team's seed percentages by scrolling down -- Yale is 27.7% 7th seed, UNH is 51.75% 7th seed.
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Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
I thought some more about the actual bracket, and I found out this much:
Right now, the only useful thing we can say is that Minny is going to Rapids, and Miami is all but assured to be going to Toledo.
All the rest....????
I mean we could say that it's likely that there will be 2 WCHA teams as #2s, and 2 WCHA teams as #3s. But, we don't know how the bracket will start to set up yet.
Too much uncertainty in regard to NoDame especially.
Perhaps this, though: New Hampshire will almost assuredly end up playing a WCHA team. Wow. Isn't that impressive????
I thought some more about the actual bracket, and I found out this much:
Right now, the only useful thing we can say is that Minny is going to Rapids, and Miami is all but assured to be going to Toledo.
All the rest....????
I mean we could say that it's likely that there will be 2 WCHA teams as #2s, and 2 WCHA teams as #3s. But, we don't know how the bracket will start to set up yet.
Too much uncertainty in regard to NoDame especially.
Perhaps this, though: New Hampshire will almost assuredly end up playing a WCHA team. Wow. Isn't that impressive????
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
So the problem is the tournament isn't big enough? You're all over the place.
So the problem is the tournament isn't big enough? You're all over the place.
GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
It's clear that the NCAA operates national tournaments, not tournaments of the best teams in their sport. And, given the ratings - and the fact that the schools themselves don't change it, I would say that "yes" most people agree with the format, even when 20-loss teams get in.
Here's why (using hoops as the example): Fans clearly like the idea of seeing a Florida Gulf Coast beating Georgetown (unless you are a Hoya fan or it totally screwed your bracket, but in general as a concept). The only way that happens is the for the NCAA tournament to be a tournament of conference champions and some at-large teams thrown in. By and large, those 20-loss teams will play to form and lose in their conference tourney. But once that conference tourney starts, virtually every team in the country has a shot to get into the NCAAs. And that IS what has defined and, arguably, created March Madness.
Does it negate the regular season result? For the next at-large berth in line (ie the 8th Big Ten team), an upset in some of those 'lesser' conferences that has one outstanding team - the situations where a conference 'steals' a second bid - it absolutely can do so. But it's clear to me that the majority must like this system because A) it stays and B) is used in almost all NCAA playoffs. Florida Gulf Coast doesn't get picked as one of the best 68 teams in the country without the conference auto-bid. Neither does the 20-loss team. But people like Cinderella - or the chance for Cinderella to exist.
Now, when it comes to hockey, the margin of error is much smaller because of the smaller field. That said, D1 hockey is lucky that it makes money. If the NCAA stuck to its guns and used the standard ratio (which, IIRC is 1 playoff team for every 6.7 participants) the playoff field would be about 10/12 instead of 16.
The conferences like the tourneys because it makes them more money. The teams like it because it's another lease on life. Fans like it for the competition, the chance to win another trophy and that second lease on life.
And, the fact remains that every team has the chance to take care of its own business and win the conference tourney to get in. Everyone knows it ahead of time. This time, CC or UW absolutely benefit from the system. And someone else will get the short end of the stick.
But, remember, it's not the best 16 teams in the country making the tournament - it's the conference qualifiers and next best to fill out the field.
It's clear that the NCAA operates national tournaments, not tournaments of the best teams in their sport. And, given the ratings - and the fact that the schools themselves don't change it, I would say that "yes" most people agree with the format, even when 20-loss teams get in.
Here's why (using hoops as the example): Fans clearly like the idea of seeing a Florida Gulf Coast beating Georgetown (unless you are a Hoya fan or it totally screwed your bracket, but in general as a concept). The only way that happens is the for the NCAA tournament to be a tournament of conference champions and some at-large teams thrown in. By and large, those 20-loss teams will play to form and lose in their conference tourney. But once that conference tourney starts, virtually every team in the country has a shot to get into the NCAAs. And that IS what has defined and, arguably, created March Madness.
Does it negate the regular season result? For the next at-large berth in line (ie the 8th Big Ten team), an upset in some of those 'lesser' conferences that has one outstanding team - the situations where a conference 'steals' a second bid - it absolutely can do so. But it's clear to me that the majority must like this system because A) it stays and B) is used in almost all NCAA playoffs. Florida Gulf Coast doesn't get picked as one of the best 68 teams in the country without the conference auto-bid. Neither does the 20-loss team. But people like Cinderella - or the chance for Cinderella to exist.
Now, when it comes to hockey, the margin of error is much smaller because of the smaller field. That said, D1 hockey is lucky that it makes money. If the NCAA stuck to its guns and used the standard ratio (which, IIRC is 1 playoff team for every 6.7 participants) the playoff field would be about 10/12 instead of 16.
The conferences like the tourneys because it makes them more money. The teams like it because it's another lease on life. Fans like it for the competition, the chance to win another trophy and that second lease on life.
And, the fact remains that every team has the chance to take care of its own business and win the conference tourney to get in. Everyone knows it ahead of time. This time, CC or UW absolutely benefit from the system. And someone else will get the short end of the stick.
But, remember, it's not the best 16 teams in the country making the tournament - it's the conference qualifiers and next best to fill out the field.
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Gophers #1
Let go Vikings go
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
I thinkg here, am i correct that both Quinnipiac and Minnesota are lock into the 1 and 2 seed. I know Quinnipiac clinch the top overall seed and Minnesota is a near lock as the 2nd overall seed.
I thinkg here, am i correct that both Quinnipiac and Minnesota are lock into the 1 and 2 seed. I know Quinnipiac clinch the top overall seed and Minnesota is a near lock as the 2nd overall seed.
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
Quite correct, and has been since last Saturday night. Miami is all but assured of a #1 seed as well. And Lowell is very close to gaining the 4th one. But, not for sure yet.
Quite correct, and has been since last Saturday night. Miami is all but assured of a #1 seed as well. And Lowell is very close to gaining the 4th one. But, not for sure yet.
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
No a bigger field is not the answer... There really isn't a point at all... lol.. People won't be comfortable with people selecting the field just as much as they won't be comfortable with computers selecting the field.... and a combination of the 2 doesn't seem to make people happy either... What I want to know is how did they select the field before the PWR?!?!
No a bigger field is not the answer... There really isn't a point at all... lol.. People won't be comfortable with people selecting the field just as much as they won't be comfortable with computers selecting the field.... and a combination of the 2 doesn't seem to make people happy either... What I want to know is how did they select the field before the PWR?!?!
GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
Ask the back-door Badgers of 1981.
Didn't it used to be (at least for awhile) that both the regular season and playoff champions from some of the leagues got autobids? That'll cut down on the at-large bids. Maybe my memory is just off on that, though.,
EDIT: Yes, it did:
http://www.uscho.com/faq/ncaa-selection-process/
Ask the back-door Badgers of 1981.
Didn't it used to be (at least for awhile) that both the regular season and playoff champions from some of the leagues got autobids? That'll cut down on the at-large bids. Maybe my memory is just off on that, though.,
EDIT: Yes, it did:
http://www.uscho.com/faq/ncaa-selection-process/
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MagnessMan
D-1 Hockey Nut
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
So SCSU is sitting 13th after sharing the WCHA regular title. They have a poor non-conference record. I would think they would be out if Brown, Michigan and BU win their tournies and in if just 2/3 of them or less win. That sound right?
So SCSU is sitting 13th after sharing the WCHA regular title. They have a poor non-conference record. I would think they would be out if Brown, Michigan and BU win their tournies and in if just 2/3 of them or less win. That sound right?
MavHockey14
New member
Re: Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition
I'm drink, Burt hope Minnespta State gets in
I'm drink, Burt hope Minnespta State gets in
MavHockey14
New member
I needed to be at the hotel far too long ago. Sorry.
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