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Oswego State Hockey 2011-2012 Season

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I know, Prof. The joke gets old after a while. DI transfers are an untapped resource that the Lakers have tapped into. Transfers have came in since when I was back in the Wego.

I guess also don't like the implication that people think we are cheating.

If ANYONE thinks Oswego is "cheating" they need their heads checked. Transfers are 100% legal, my only beef is that it TOOK Oswego getting some big named transfers to really become a Nationally recognized (besides just the little brother to Plattsburgh in the SUNYAC) team. That and the fact that Oswego puts together a great package (both financially and program wise) to attract transfers to come in. There is nothing illegal or "cheating" being done at Oswego that I've heard. As a matter of fact when the judgements came down on Geneseo and Brockport about FA issues, I made it clear that Oswego was safe in how they were handling their aid. Sure teams get transfers (DI and DIII) for a variety of reasons, it was the amount that Oswego was receiving in a period of time and their success that came from it that raised eyebrows. Had Fox, Huinick, Boots, Potter, KGT all gone to Oswego to begin with, nothing could or would have been said, but every one of those guys had a hand at putting it to Plattsburgh over the past 3 years. It the fact it took these 4 to 5 grade "A" type players to finally end Plattsburgh’s run is what makes its what it is. Take away those guys and I don't foresee Oswego being a National contender each year or at least not as dominant. Sure some teams have a transfer every once and a while who helps a team out (I can think of Patrick for OSU, Janco for Plattsburgh) but when you can make a FULL line (and 1st line on most DIII schools) out of transfers you have to expect some laughs. Trust me, we dealt with a lot of our own PSU fans who wanted to claim Oswego was cheating, and I know for a fact that myself and most of the PSU supporters on here would quickly deny any form of "cheating" that was directed at Oswego. Like I’ve said from day 1, its legal but I'd much rather a coach bring in his own players as freshman (with a transfer here and there) to become a great team, not go and create a super team from other teams. If that’s the route Gosek wants to take then so be it. Keep in mind, Plattsburgh was a few dollars short of having Fox and Huinick in Red and White. Ask yourself this, had Plattsburgh brought in Fox, Huinick, Boots, Carr, Bremner, KGT...would Laker fans be moaning if they, Plattsburgh, went 5-0 (and 14-0-1 in the past 15) with all these transfers?? I am sure most Cardinal fans are more upset because of the 0-5 and are looking for excuses, but as I said...take those players out of the equation and I don't see Oswego winning more then 2 of those games.
 
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If ANYONE thinks Oswego is "cheating" they need their heads checked. Transfers are 100% legal, my only beef is that it TOOK Oswego getting some big named transfers to really become a Nationally recognized (besides just the little brother to Plattsburgh in the SUNYAC) team. That and the fact that Oswego puts together a great package (both financially and program wise) to attract transfers to come in. There is nothing illegal or "cheating" being done at Oswego that I've heard. As a matter of fact when the judgements came down on Geneseo and Brockport about FA issues, I made it clear that Oswego was safe in how they were handling their aid. Sure teams get transfers (DI and DIII) for a variety of reasons, it was the amount that Oswego was receiving in a period of time and their success that came from it that raised eyebrows. Had Fox, Huinick, Boots, Potter, KGT all gone to Oswego to begin with, nothing could or would have been said, but every one of those guys had a hand at putting it to Plattsburgh over the past 3 years. It the fact it took these 4 to 5 grade "A" type players to finally end Plattsburgh’s run is what makes its what it is. Take away those guys and I don't foresee Oswego being a National contender each year or at least not as dominant. Sure some teams have a transfer every once and a while who helps a team out (I can think of Patrick for OSU, Janco for Plattsburgh) but when you can make a FULL line (and 1st line on most DIII schools) out of transfers you have to expect some laughs. Trust me, we dealt with a lot of our own PSU fans who wanted to claim Oswego was cheating, and I know for a fact that myself and most of the PSU supporters on here would quickly deny any form of "cheating" that was directed at Oswego. Like I’ve said from day 1, its legal but I'd much rather a coach bring in his own players as freshman (with a transfer here and there) to become a great team, not go and create a super team from other teams. If that’s the route Gosek wants to take then so be it. Keep in mind, Plattsburgh was a few dollars short of having Fox and Huinick in Red and White. Ask yourself this, had Plattsburgh brought in Fox, Huinick, Boots, Carr, Bremner, KGT...would Laker fans be moaning if they, Plattsburgh, went 5-0 (and 14-0-1 in the past 15) with all these transfers?? I am sure most Cardinal fans are more upset because of the 0-5 and are looking for excuses, but as I said...take those players out of the equation and I don't see Oswego winning more then 2 of those games.

Potter was 0-2 against Plattsburgh. Just an FYI.
 
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If ANYONE thinks Oswego is "cheating" they need their heads checked. Transfers are 100% legal, my only beef is that it TOOK Oswego getting some big named transfers to really become a Nationally recognized (besides just the little brother to Plattsburgh in the SUNYAC) team. That and the fact that Oswego puts together a great package (both financially and program wise) to attract transfers to come in. There is nothing illegal or "cheating" being done at Oswego that I've heard. As a matter of fact when the judgements came down on Geneseo and Brockport about FA issues, I made it clear that Oswego was safe in how they were handling their aid. Sure teams get transfers (DI and DIII) for a variety of reasons, it was the amount that Oswego was receiving in a period of time and their success that came from it that raised eyebrows. Had Fox, Huinick, Boots, Potter, KGT all gone to Oswego to begin with, nothing could or would have been said, but every one of those guys had a hand at putting it to Plattsburgh over the past 3 years. It the fact it took these 4 to 5 grade "A" type players to finally end Plattsburgh’s run is what makes its what it is. Take away those guys and I don't foresee Oswego being a National contender each year or at least not as dominant. Sure some teams have a transfer every once and a while who helps a team out (I can think of Patrick for OSU, Janco for Plattsburgh) but when you can make a FULL line (and 1st line on most DIII schools) out of transfers you have to expect some laughs. Trust me, we dealt with a lot of our own PSU fans who wanted to claim Oswego was cheating, and I know for a fact that myself and most of the PSU supporters on here would quickly deny any form of "cheating" that was directed at Oswego. Like I’ve said from day 1, its legal but I'd much rather a coach bring in his own players as freshman (with a transfer here and there) to become a great team, not go and create a super team from other teams. If that’s the route Gosek wants to take then so be it. Keep in mind, Plattsburgh was a few dollars short of having Fox and Huinick in Red and White. Ask yourself this, had Plattsburgh brought in Fox, Huinick, Boots, Carr, Bremner, KGT...would Laker fans be moaning if they, Plattsburgh, went 5-0 (and 14-0-1 in the past 15) with all these transfers?? I am sure most Cardinal fans are more upset because of the 0-5 and are looking for excuses, but as I said...take those players out of the equation and I don't see Oswego winning more then 2 of those games.
nice story but ya know as well as I do the only thing is WINNING when comes down to it, and of course as ya said doing it legally......if Oz or any other team had all D1 trans and they lost nobody would say a word, its the winning with 1, 2, 3, or 10 that gets the ball rolling sort of speaking:D
....ps I played from 85-87, and we had both jr co. tranfers D1 trans and D3 trans over the yrs we still lost all 6 games to the birds, no one said a word..........BUT a yr or so after as we all know..........the sh-t hit the fan or the birds lets say ....ok then... only 6 weeks or so until pink fluffy bunny practice, lets get that ball rolling:D
 
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nice story but ya know as well as I do the only thing is WINNING when comes down to it, and of course as ya said doing it legally......if Oz or any other team had all D1 trans and they lost nobody would say a word, its the winning with 1, 2, 3, or 10 that gets the ball rolling sort of speaking:D
....ps I played from 85-87, and we had both jr co. tranfers D1 trans and D3 trans over the yrs we still lost all 6 games to the birds, no one said a word..........BUT a yr or so after as we all know..........the sh-t hit the fan or the birds lets say ....ok then... only 6 weeks or so until pink fluffy bunny practice, lets get that ball rolling:D

I agree....winning....and if thats what it takes at Oswego then so be it. I would say 1 a year or so is about on par, but when you have 4-6 grade A transfers its going to get the press. But comparing todays teams with those in the 80's is not even close. And tossing around the '87 scandle is not even close. As Ive said a million times, what happened back in '87 is a far cry for whats happening today. Shouldn't have to wait too much longer....http://johnstrubel.com/category/plattsburgh/ should be out in the fall of 2012
 
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I agree....winning....and if thats what it takes at Oswego then so be it. I would say 1 a year or so is about on par, but when you have 4-6 grade A transfers its going to get the press. But comparing todays teams with those in the 80's is not even close. And tossing around the '87 scandle is not even close. As Ive said a million times, what happened back in '87 is a far cry for whats happening today. Shouldn't have to wait too much longer....http://johnstrubel.com/category/plattsburgh/ should be out in the fall of 2012
So he asked a bunch of PSU students and they had a vacated look on their faces? And???
 
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I agree....winning....and if thats what it takes at Oswego then so be it. I would say 1 a year or so is about on par, but when you have 4-6 grade A transfers its going to get the press. But comparing todays teams with those in the 80's is not even close. And tossing around the '87 scandle is not even close. As Ive said a million times, what happened back in '87 is a far cry for whats happening today. Shouldn't have to wait too much longer....http://johnstrubel.com/category/plattsburgh/ should be out in the fall of 2012
We could debate this forever, and of course loyalty will get in the way as well........bottom line is if all team play by the RULES, all is good......good luck this yr should be fun/interesting as usual...
 
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Potter was 0-2 against Plattsburgh. Just an FYI.

You beat me to it.

Also, I think the 18 skaters Oswego dressed each night had more to do with KGT's won-loss record than KGT himself. Remember, he couldn't get between the pipes at Buff State, and when he did, he wasnt very impressive. But, if the Cards had Boots, Fox and Huinink...wow.
 
You beat me to it.

Also, I think the 18 skaters Oswego dressed each night had more to do with KGT's won-loss record than KGT himself. Remember, he couldn't get between the pipes at Buff State, and when he did, he wasnt very impressive. But, if the Cards had Boots, Fox and Huinink...wow.
KGT stopped 32 of 34 shots while Oswego managed only 14 in meeting #1. He stopped 27 of 29 in game two. Including a huge save late in the game. In game 3 he stopped 35 of 38 a game in which Plattsburgh outshot the Lakers again by 15+sog......and of those 3, 2 of those were in really meaningless 4 minutes remaining in the pp.....
 
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Also, I think the 18 skaters Oswego dressed each night had more to do with KGT's won-loss record than KGT himself. Remember, he couldn't get between the pipes at Buff State, and when he did, he wasnt very impressive. But, if the Cards had Boots, Fox and Huinink...wow.

You are right about Kyle. Having watched him in Juniors with Port Hope he was a marginal recruit and stayed close to home for college. When he was cut by Buffalo State and Eddie gave him a chance he found another gear and became a pretty solid goalie. He had a particular fire about playing against Plattsburgh and it showed in the results.

As for Platty having Fox, Huinink and Boots you have to realize that Eddie and Bob are two very different coaches. Boots was basically run out of Ohio State because of his horrible spearing penalty against Notre Dame, Fox liked to take shifts and entire games off over his two years and Oswego and Huinink was prone to at least one egregious defensive mistake a game. Kevin made two horrible turnovers in the 2010 Semi-Finals and Eddie responded by making him the Captain in 2011, what do you think Bob would have done with him? I don't think any of those three would have really fit in for very long with Bob's system. Maybe I am wrong and Bob could have made those guys into Plattsburgh type players but we will never know.

I feel the biggest reason for Oswego's recent success against the Cards has been their ability to capitalize on the mistakes Platty makes defensively. For a good while they always seemed to let them off the hook when the Birds coughed it up or missed their coverage but lately they haven't been letting them get away with it. Some of that is in fact due to the talent of the "Grade A" transfers but it also has to do with the talent of the "home grown" players and Plattsburgh's often shoddy goal tending. The goal tending is improving and the transfers are mostly gone so I suspect things will return to normal and the Card fans can go back to resting a little easier.
 
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so... only 51 days 19 hours and 17 minutes till the first puck drops. Anyone planning on going to Elmira?
 
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You are right about Kyle. Having watched him in Juniors with Port Hope he was a marginal recruit and stayed close to home for college. When he was cut by Buffalo State and Eddie gave him a chance he found another gear and became a pretty solid goalie. He had a particular fire about playing against Plattsburgh and it showed in the results.

As for Platty having Fox, Huinink and Boots you have to realize that Eddie and Bob are two very different coaches. Boots was basically run out of Ohio State because of his horrible spearing penalty against Notre Dame, Fox liked to take shifts and entire games off over his two years and Oswego and Huinink was prone to at least one egregious defensive mistake a game. Kevin made two horrible turnovers in the 2010 Semi-Finals and Eddie responded by making him the Captain in 2011, what do you think Bob would have done with him? I don't think any of those three would have really fit in for very long with Bob's system. Maybe I am wrong and Bob could have made those guys into Plattsburgh type players but we will never know.

I feel the biggest reason for Oswego's recent success against the Cards has been their ability to capitalize on the mistakes Platty makes defensively. For a good while they always seemed to let them off the hook when the Birds coughed it up or missed their coverage but lately they haven't been letting them get away with it. Some of that is in fact due to the talent of the "Grade A" transfers but it also has to do with the talent of the "home grown" players and Plattsburgh's often shoddy goal tending. The goal tending is improving and the transfers are mostly gone so I suspect things will return to normal and the Card fans can go back to resting a little easier.

Agree, and I wasn't meaning those players for their personalities, but for what they normally brought to the table. Yes you could call them a bunch of misfits so to speak but they fit into Eddies system and played well. Could Bob have turned them into Cardinals? I know he was very upset that at least one chose Oswego over Plattsbugrh, but understood finacially it was a must for the guy to keep playing and not paying. Mind you, Bob has had a few personalities on the team that didn't work, and they found ice else where. But again, I wasn't meaning per say those exact players, but players ability wise.

It was a mear case of if Plattsburgh had 4-6 grade A transfers on their roster, I could easily have seen the tides reversed and a lot of certain fans fans whining or poking fun at the transfer jokes (just as Oswego has had towards them). Yes we would have the same people who see no issue and the "do what it takes to win" attitude.

Goaltending/defensive lapse were a key issue to 0-5 and not the reverse. Again, we can go back to the out played, out shot, ect ect debate but in the eyes of a lot of people its only about the score on the scoreboard and not how two teams played. Plattsburgh had around a .777 save% while Oswego was around a .930 in the 5 games. But just as you said some of it has to do with goaltending and some of it has to do with the solid finishers Oswego had/has.

so... only 51 days 19 hours and 17 minutes till the first puck drops. Anyone planning on going to Elmira?

Yes, I will be there.
 
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You beat me to it.

Also, I think the 18 skaters Oswego dressed each night had more to do with KGT's won-loss record than KGT himself. Remember, he couldn't get between the pipes at Buff State, and when he did, he wasnt very impressive. But, if the Cards had Boots, Fox and Huinink...wow.

Gunn-Taylor still holds the number 1 spot in career save percentage and GAA with Buffalo State, though Kevin Carr will likely take that spot over.
 
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[QUOTE=Laker28; Really the only transfers they have left are Carr, Boots and Hare. Hmmmmmm we'll see.......


Anyhow the Herb Hammond golf tournament is Sept 17th at Griffins Greens. With a Cocktail event at Greenes Sept 16th 8:00pm


OSWEGO ,NY The Herb Hammond Can-Am Golf Tournament and Reunion will be held Sept. 17 at Griffins Greens, Route 104A, Oswego.

There will be a 1 p.m. shotgun start. The field is limited to 24 teams of four golfers each.

The entry fee includes greens fees, use of a cart, Tim Hortons Timbits and coffee, Rudy's lunch at the turn, the Blue Line Club Induction steak dinner at The American Foundry after golf, and a $10,000 hole-in-one contest sponsored by Canale Insurance.

There will be a meet-and-greet with members of the 2011-12 Oswego State men's hockey team during the tournament.

All proceeds will go to the Hammond Fund to benefit Laker men's hockey.


More than 40 former Oswego State Laker hockey players have already signed up to play in the event. The list includes Blue Line Club Hall of Famers Pierre Belanger, Bruce Boissoin, Pete Sears, Glen Sisman, Mike Wojdyla, Dan Ane, Don Unger, Rene Blais, Rick Pratt, Kevin Flynn, Dick DeVoss, and newly elected Kevin Weber and Brian Defeo.

Weber and Defeo will join Hercules Master (elected as a contributor) for the official induction dinner, set for 7:30 p.m. Sept. 17 at the American Foundry.

Tickets for the dinner only are still available. There is room for a couple of teams in the golf tournament. Anyone interested in attending one or both of the events is asked to call Dick Johnson at 315-343-7936
 
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Weber and Defeo will join Hercules Master (elected as a contributor) for the official induction dinner, set for 7:30 p.m. Sept. 17 at the American Foundry.

Good to see Brian DeFeo get elected to the Blue Line Club Hall of Fame. He was one of the stars when I first started attending games, not real big but he could sure play the game. And Herc has just been a fixture at just about every Laker game, home and away, for as long as I can remember.
 
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Had a chance to catch up with Coach Gosek at USAH Level 4 this weekend. Such a nice guy and will to share any info with a fellow coach.
I was doing the training for other levels so couldn’t catch all his presentation but when I had a chance to talk to him he was very generous with his time.
 
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Had a chance to catch up with Coach Gosek at USAH Level 4 this weekend. Such a nice guy and will to share any info with a fellow coach.
I was doing the training for other levels so couldn’t catch all his presentation but when I had a chance to talk to him he was very generous with his time.

Coach Gosek is definitely one of the good guys in D-III. Always had nothing but respect for him when dealing with him during my undergrad at Oswego.
 
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