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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

MichVandal said:
It's also ironic that the people bringing that up so loudly give a crap about monopolies. But that's for a different thread. I'm sure that was part of it, since LM is also trying to buy MotoGP.
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I think it’s more of “why is an American company blocking another American company?” thing. And GM has way more political power than Liberty Media.
 
Jimjamesak said:
I think it’s more of “why is an American company blocking another American company?” thing. And GM has way more political power than Liberty Media.
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Rumor has it that someone discovered an LM email chain which talked about stopping Andretti at all costs, and the people in this chain was very damning (is it just a coincidence that that the CEO and Legal Council, who was extremely well respected, just recently resigned?). At that point, the investigation was kicked into high gear, because the DOJ had LM dead to rights. Heck, they could have even considered RICO charges.
 
Jimjamesak said:
I think it’s more of “why is an American company blocking another American company?” thing. And GM has way more political power than Liberty Media.
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Bear in mind, GM part of the most competitive market not only in the US, but for the entire planet. There is no chance of a monopoly in cars. So GM has less political power than it may appear- as they have to keep an eye on Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, Honda, etc. I'd be pretty sure that the owners of Liberty personally know R leadership than Mary Bara does.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Rumor has it that someone discovered an LM email chain which talked about stopping Andretti at all costs, and the people in this chain was very damning (is it just a coincidence that that the CEO and Legal Council, who was extremely well respected, just recently resigned?). At that point, the investigation was kicked into high gear, because the DOJ had LM dead to rights. Heck, they could have even considered RICO charges.
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Again, it's really funny that it matters for LM when they ignore the same for so many other companies in the US, let alone the R leadership that are the ones complaining about it. But, again, that's for a different thread here.
 
The Race has an interesting set of news on the new team- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEvVp5hElfo

And one funny part, I think, is that they are not bound by the cost savings rules- meaning 1) they have been working on the '26 car for a while now- the rest can't start until 1/1/25; 2) they have unlimited CFD and wind tunnel time. Who knows when that will get bracketed, given the news just came out today.

But they think they will start as Haas2.0, being a very customer Ferrari team. Which makes a lot of sense, since Sauber is dropping Ferrari for Audi.
 
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/everything-we-know-about-new-cadillac-f1-entry-without-andretti/
What was built by Andretti Global is still very much the cornerstone of the project but it is headed now by investor Dan Towriss rather than Michael Andretti.https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/everything-we-know-about-new-cadillac-f1-entry-without-andretti/
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So, a new name to signify a break from what came before. But what is Andretti Global in spirit, if not in name, will still have a very big part to play in running the entry.https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/everything-we-know-about-new-cadillac-f1-entry-without-andretti/
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https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/everything-we-know-about-new-cadillac-f1-entry-without-andretti/

BTW, to bring a hockey connection into this, Mark Walter, the main investor and owner of the PWHL, is a key investor in this F1 project as well.

This includes not just Towriss but Mark Walter, CEO of investment firm Guggenheim Partners and a sports franchise investor, who is a key player.
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Whalers said:
As Solo mentions, a lot of the bad blood goes back to 93 when Michael signed to race at McLaren. That was HUGE news for F1, and then Michael proceeded to have less than a stellar performance. He made a lot of comments about not having to move to Europe to be successful. His wife was a prima donna, he thought he was super special and then the lack of results. He flew back and forth for races, meaning he never built up capital with the team, teammate, journalists, TV, etc.

Just look at what drivers like Lauda, Schummi, Hamilton have done to lift the team. They spend time at HQ with the 'boys', engineers, pit crews, etc, to get everyone playing above their skills. So much to be said for that just like it is here stateside in _______ (name your sport).

Senna is LOVED throughout the racing world (unless you were a Prost fan) and is a GOD in Brazil. He was the son of wealth, but raced like a common man with a big chip on his shoulder. What he could do in a car was other worldly. Dare I say, you could put him in the Haas and he would finish no lower than 5th in the Championship. In the rain, only Max is even close.
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Totally agree on Senna. I haven’t seen a driver come close to him subsequent to his passing. Although recently it’s tough to see talent shine through because guys Donny have to fight the cars as much and the superstars aren’t placing Haas or Williams cars in the top 3 or 5 on their way up.

still, I trust Hakkinen, Schumey, Hamilton and Brundle when they Senna was the best.


as for Michael I can see him acting somewhat like a prima donna in that season because up until then everything had been handed to him (to be fair he won all the time so he did have a hell of a lot of talent) and then in Europe it’s a whole different animal.

When Michael stepped down at Andretti Global my gut instinct was “this has to be related to his F1 bid” he’s still young enough to have the fire burning but he’s moving aside to make the F1 dream happen.
 
solovsfett said:
Totally agree on Senna. I haven’t seen a driver come close to him subsequent to his passing. Although recently it’s tough to see talent shine through because guys Donny have to fight the cars as much and the superstars aren’t placing Haas or Williams cars in the top 3 or 5 on their way up.

still, I trust Hakkinen, Schumey, Hamilton and Brundle when they Senna was the best.


as for Michael I can see him acting somewhat like a prima donna in that season because up until then everything had been handed to him (to be fair he won all the time so he did have a hell of a lot of talent) and then in Europe it’s a whole different animal.

When Michael stepped down at Andretti Global my gut instinct was “this has to be related to his F1 bid” he’s still young enough to have the fire burning but he’s moving aside to make the F1 dream happen.
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I'm not so sure that it goes all the way back to '93. So few of the people who were there are in F1 or the FIA today that it would have to have been passed down from people to people. And that normally declines with time. The hesitation to deal with Mike may have been clouded by that, but all of the people who now don't like Mike probably learned by interacting with him.

Just can't see many people who were on the grid 31 years ago still around in a way that it would really matter other than warning everyone else he could be a handful.
 
For you F1 fans, Lego has had several F1 themed sets in the past several years (including a really cool version of Senna's McLaren MP4/4). They have a bunch of F1 themed sets coming out in 2025. I have a few previous versions of some of their F1 sets (Aston Martin, AMG, and McLaren) but these look just a little more detailed than those. I am not super familiar with F1 at all (don't watch or follow) but I will probably get the Ferrari and Redbull ones for sure. Others maybe here and there.
 
Proud2baLaker said:
For you F1 fans, Lego has had several F1 themed sets in the past several years (including a really cool version of Senna's McLaren MP4/4). They have a bunch of F1 themed sets coming out in 2025. I have a few previous versions of some of their F1 sets (Aston Martin, AMG, and McLaren) but these look just a little more detailed than those. I am not super familiar with F1 at all (don't watch or follow) but I will probably get the Ferrari and Redbull ones for sure. Others maybe here and there.
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Speaking of Lego, when I was at the Macau Grand Prix Museum, they had a life size Lego model of an F1 car. The thing was spectacular!

(They also had an F1 car, scaled down but still pretty large, made out of chocolate. Seriously.)
 
Well, Max made it a somewhat interesting final race taking out Piastri in the first turn.

Happy Lewis got one final great drive in with the Mercedes. If he hadn't gotten stuck behind Lawson for a few laps he might've even had a podium.

And congrats to McLaren for ending the Red Bull run.

What a disastrous season for Perez. Partly his own undoing in some races and some terrible luck in others.
 
Oof!!! Evidently the new INDYCAR design for 2027 is so lame the majority of team owners discussed together and told Penske they want something like Adrian Newey would design and pointed specifically to the current RB car.

penske is a dinosaur. I think he needs to step aside and give Zach Brown the reigns. Or at least allow his input to guide some of these decisions.
 
solovsfett said:
Oof!!! Evidently the new INDYCAR design for 2027 is so lame the majority of team owners discussed together and told Penske they want something like Adrian Newey would design and pointed specifically to the current RB car.

penske is a dinosaur. I think he needs to step aside and give Zach Brown the reigns. Or at least allow his input to guide some of these decisions.
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It wasn’t the current RB car but the Red Bull X2010 prototype.
 
solovsfett said:
Oof!!! Evidently the new INDYCAR design for 2027 is so lame the majority of team owners discussed together and told Penske they want something like Adrian Newey would design and pointed specifically to the current RB car.

penske is a dinosaur. I think he needs to step aside and give Zach Brown the reigns. Or at least allow his input to guide some of these decisions.
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Not Zach. He needs to focus more on McLaren to get another championship as well as the drivers championship.
 
Perez out. Presumably Lawson to replace him (not officially announced yet). Then presumably Hadjar to replace Lawson.

If this all happens with the replacements, what's the over/under in number of races before Red Bull swaps Lawson and Tsunoda? :-)
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Perez out. Presumably Lawson to replace him (not officially announced yet). Then presumably Hadjar to replace Lawson.

If this all happens with the replacements, what's the over/under in number of races before Red Bull swaps Lawson and Tsunoda? :-)
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To answer my own question, I'm picking nine races, after Spain.
 
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