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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

Jimjamesak said:
Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a NASCAR/Stock Car split in the future. Granted, they would need to find tracks to race at…
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JFC I did not realize what a duopoly NASCAR and SMI have on racetracks in this country. I knew it was bad but not “nearly all of the tracks” bad. There’s what, 3 tracks (Indy, Pocono, and COTA) on the NASCAR schedule not owned by NASCAR or SMI?
 
MichVandal said:
Sorry to say, solo, it sure seems to me that Indycar is dead. Haven’t managed to see a single race all season, and don’t really feel the need to catch up. When I have seen replays, well…. Wish it was different, but after decades of following, I totally lost interest. And Penske hasn’t done all that well to promote the races on tv- the only race I knew when it was run was the 500.
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I’m with ya insofar as the series being dead. My interest is mostly out of. Nostalgia now. The cars aren’t loud enough, rpm’s not high enough, not enough power, etc.

and honestly, Penske’s stewardship has been a joke.

he should have sold to Liberty when they made one of the 3 offers they put out.

i’m not sure how much longer I’ll be paying attention. When Dixon and Power retire who will be the new standard bearers? I’m not sold on Newgarden. Maybe Herta and OWard?
 
Jimjamesak said:
JFC I did not realize what a duopoly NASCAR and SMI have on racetracks in this country. I knew it was bad but not “nearly all of the tracks” bad. There’s what, 3 tracks (Indy, Pocono, and COTA) on the NASCAR schedule not owned by NASCAR or SMI?
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Yes! NASCAR set out in the late 80’s or early 90’s to kill INDYCAR and dominate.

tgey bought tracks or bought the holding companies that owned the tracks. The. They convinced Tony George to start his own series and !!!! Game over open wheel fans.

Yes another reason for me to hope F1 continues to grow and then dwarfs the taxicabs here someday.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Fans keep SCREAMING at the top of their lungs (and all over social media) to bring back Milwaukee. And every time they do, none of these fans show up.
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That’s true. I show up with my dad (we’ve to
indy races in Milwaukee since I was 7 in 1979). But the last 10-12 times we’ve gone (Andretti years and end of cart years) we didn’t recognize one person that used to sit sit around us.

It’s sad. We used to see the same families with their kids my age and then younger, and they’re all gone. Once the split happened half those people
lwft. Then after another 5-7 years the rest left as well.
 
Jimjamesak said:
TBF, American racing in general is dying because NASCAR ain’t doing that well either.
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They've been seeing a bit of a resurgence post-Covid. Not sure how long that'll last though since they got screwed on the new TV contract. Fox shipped pretty much everything to FS1 while putting all of Indycar on Fox. NBC's broadcast is miles better, but that's still half the season on cable and NBC also puts some on cable.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
The playoff is dumb to begin with, but the fact that it comes down to a single race is the dumbest part of it all. They run so many races at so many different types of tracks and then leave it up to one race where one guy is likely to have an advantage based on the track type.
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I worked with quite a few big NASCAR fans (kinda helped the company was major sponsor) and nearly all of them checked out after stage racing was introduced. That was the final straw that had started with the playoffs.
 
Jimjamesak said:
I worked with quite a few big NASCAR fans (kinda helped the company was major sponsor) and nearly all of them checked out after stage racing was introduced. That was the final straw that had started with the playoffs.
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And then they got rid of stage cautions on road courses and everyone loved it, only to bring them back again this year.

I'm a little afraid F1 is starting to go down that gimmick route with the sprint races, but for the most part race day is still a good product, minus the inconsistencies in penalties. And with everyone catching up to Red Bull in the second half of this season hopefully the racing itself stops them from thinking of adding anything else.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
And then they got rid of stage cautions on road courses and everyone loved it, only to bring them back again this year.

I'm a little afraid F1 is starting to go down that gimmick route with the sprint races, but for the most part race day is still a good product, minus the inconsistencies in penalties. And with everyone catching up to Red Bull in the second half of this season hopefully the racing itself stops them from thinking of adding anything else.
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I gotta say I like the sprint races, as long as they remain a small minority of the races.
 
Pato O’Ward with the win last night. O’Ward (7 wins) and Herta (8) are the future of INDYCAR.

crowd was maybe 18,000. Nothing like it was when the ran the week after INDY at noon and they were sold-out.

no scoring pylon, no announcements as to drivers hometowns during introductions (don’t they want people to build connections to the drivers?) no cross-over promotions with summerfest, irishfest, festa, state fair, brewers and badgers. No wonder crowds are small.

jesus Christ I can run marketing for free 100x better than Mark Miles’s team.

also…no race in Mexico City when your most popular driver is Mexican? How dumb is INDYCAR? Seriously. Zak Brown has to be pissed at their ineptitude. Now NASCAR taxi cabs are going to Mexico City and Pato will be in that race!!!


As for F1…damn that start reminded me of the 80’s! Great stuff!! Go McLaren.

side note: I wore my Senna t-Shirt yesterday at the race. One guy there stopped me and said Senna was the best ever and said he’s visited Impala this year on the 30tg anniversary and was moved to tears.
 
Pato O’Ward with the win last night. O’Ward (7 wins) and Herta (8) are the future of INDYCAR.

crowd was maybe 18,000. Nothing like it was when the ran the week after INDY at noon and they were sold-out.

no scoring pylon, no announcements as to drivers hometowns during introductions (don’t they want people to build connections to the drivers?) no cross-over promotions with summerfest, irishfest, festa, state fair, brewers and badgers. No wonder crowds are small.

jesus Christ I can run marketing for free 100x better than Mark Miles’s team.

also…no race in Mexico City when your most popular driver is Mexican? How dumb is INDYCAR? Seriously. Zak Brown has to be pissed at their ineptitude. Now NASCAR taxi cabs are going to Mexico City and Pato will be in that race!!!


As for F1…damn that start reminded me of the 80’s! Great stuff!! Go McLaren.

side note: I wore my Senna t-Shirt yesterday at the race. One guy there stopped me and said Senna was the best ever and said he’s visited Imola this year on the 30th anniversary and was moved to tears.
 
So qualifying today sure justified replacing Logan Sargant. It's kind of too bad we won't see Colopinto in an F1 car next season.

And the other big news since the last post is Adrian Newey signing with Aston Martin. While I think it's great that he's going to a opportunity team, I also think it's time to pull the plug on Lance Stroll- so IMHO, Newey's effort is wasted on him.
 
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