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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

F1 with the most batshit insane statement I’ve ever heard from a sanctioning body in their letter about declining Andretti’s team.

fuck them.

narrowminded exclusionary arrogant pricks. Andretti would be midfield far ahead of HAAS just to start.

This will not sit well with American racing fans. Andretti is a marquee name. Shitting on him, and charging people exorbitant prices for tickets and merch for races and teams where only 3-4 cars enter the weekend with a shot to win while telling them you only care about millionaires is the best way to get your series to fail.

so from here on, unless F1 management changes, I’m out. I’ll spend my $ on INDYCAR which while terribly managed at least is affordable and has the closest racing of all the major series.
 
Sorry, solo- there's no way in he!! that Andretti would be more competitive than Haas. They can't even be really competitive in the equivalent of an F2 series, so when they have to make everything. No chance. They've had a decade to figure out the current Indycar, and haven't.

On top of that, they planned on making everything, unlike Haas.

I get the anger toward F1, but lets at least stick with what they have been able to not do in the last decade as a reasonable prediction of the future.
 
MichVandal said:
Sorry, solo- there's no way in he!! that Andretti would be more competitive than Haas. They can't even be really competitive in the equivalent of an F2 series, so when they have to make everything. No chance. They've had a decade to figure out the current Indycar, and haven't.

On top of that, they planned on making everything, unlike Haas.

I get the anger toward F1, but lets at least stick with what they have been able to not do in the last decade as a reasonable prediction of the future.
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I think Andretti’s malaise in INDYCAR has a lot to do with the resources he’s spread to formula
e, sports cars, and the F1 effort. He needs to cut the fat. Get out of formula e and sports cars if necessary. Also keep INDYCAR team to 3 cars max.

cadillac from what I’ve seen isn’t about to spend $ to be in 21st-22nd place.
 
solovsfett said:
I think Andretti’s malaise in INDYCAR has a lot to do with the resources he’s spread to formula
e, sports cars, and the F1 effort. He needs to cut the fat. Get out of formula e and sports cars if necessary. Also keep INDYCAR team to 3 cars max.

cadillac from what I’ve seen isn’t about to spend $ to be in 21st-22nd place.
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Exactly. There's no logical path to expand even more into an F1 team. Let alone be anything but last place all of the time.

And don't be so positive about GM. Just look back at what Ford ended up doing in F1. They are very capable of wasting money on a bad program.
 
I cannot imagine Hamilton wanting to put up with that dysfunction. But they also seem to let the drivers have more say in the strategy so maybe he thinks he can make his own race.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
I cannot imagine Hamilton wanting to put up with that dysfunction. But they also seem to let the drivers have more say in the strategy so maybe he thinks he can make his own race.
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But it's THE iconic team of F1. And it's not as if the disfunction can't be dealt with- Schumacher did.
 
solovsfett said:
F1 with the most bat**** insane statement I’ve ever heard from a sanctioning body in their letter about declining Andretti’s team.
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I don't understand how this is a net financial gain for F1, and that means I don't understand how it happened because it is an article of faith that C.R.E.A.M.

Is it that rarest of cases, where bullheaded xenophobia triumphed over Capitalism? If so... actually, I'm ok with that. It's stupid, but at least it's human.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
But they also seem to let the drivers have more say in the strategy
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LOL, is that a sick joke?

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Kepler said:
I don't understand how this is a net financial gain for F1, and that means I don't understand how it happened because it is an article of faith that C.R.E.A.M.

Is it that rarest of cases, where bullheaded xenophobia triumphed over Capitalism? If so... actually, I'm ok with that. It's stupid, but at least it's human.
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The Andretti name is royalty in open wheel circles, be it F1 of INDYCAR. And side note, If Mario had focused his efforts on F1 and abandoned INDYCAR altogether I think he would have gotten 2-4 titles and that’s when he was in his late 30’s iirc.

Andretti/Cadillac would be a financial gain because like in nascar you’d have Ford vs. GM as a plot point for American fans and a team owner who would bring at least one American driver into the fold (Colton Herta, I’m in no way sold on Logan Sargent)…not to mention Andretti’s history in F1. For all of the shit he got for 1993 and not living in Europe, Senna spoke very highly of Michael and Mika Hakkinen who was behind Andretti at a McLaren at the time also said Michael was a great racer, it was outside the cockpit issues that derailed that season and it was way out of Andretti’s control.

anyway, I think Andretti would be a huge gain for F1.
 
Given then that it makes no sense financially, how did it happen? Toto isn't in it for charity.
 
Kepler said:
Given then that it makes no sense financially, how did it happen? Toto isn't in it for charity.
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They don't believe that Andretti can deliver the goods. Just like I don't (IMHO, Mike has really diluted the value of the name by how he's recently run Andretti Racing) . But it also appears that they don't believe anyone can deliver the goods.

I also think F1 is looking at GM much like how Ford did it 20 years ago, which was a disaster. All in all, there's hardly a realistic difference between Renault, Fiat (aka Ferrari), and GM. But if GM looks at F1 like some kind of technical cake walk that just needs more managers (like Ford did), yea. Renault is *really* close to that- given they have not even come close to challenging for the top. Also, looking back at Ford's recent history- will GM bail as fast as Ford did when the going or economy gets tough?

Horner benefitted by billions because of Ford, but who knows if they can repeat that or not.
 
Kepler said:
I thought Ford was a very successful team and that was great for F1?
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Ford gave Cosworth money to put their name on the engine. And it was the most successful engine of all F1 history.

But when Ford bought Stewart (who was slowly making progress getting good), and then called them Jaguar, it was a complete disaster. There are a lot of stories out there describing it. It as pretty much the style it was managed that killed it- which was quite literally "the Ford way". Total mess, and it was well illustrated by the fact that Jag lost a massively expensive diamond that was put on the nose of one of the cars (to commemorate a Bond thing, IIRC) for the Monaco race. Of course, the car crashed, and the diamond was never found.

Red Bull bought the remnants.
 
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