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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

Spartanforlife4 said:
Looks like Catalunya is going to lose the Spanish Grand Prix for a decade starting in 2026 for a street circuit in Madrid.
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There is all this talk about spicing up the sprint races, so how is this for an idea - Use this Madrid street race for a sprint, but combine it with Pamplona to create a new Running of the Bulls. Now that could put some asses in the seats and eyeballs on TV.
 
So…INDYCAR is not introducing a new chassis, their video game vendor was a fraud so no game next year (they haven’t had one on the market in 20 years), they’ve now delayed their ERS next year to mid-season, they cannot find a 3rd OEM ANd now Honda says they’ll leave in 2026 if costs don’t come down (which is essentially, why are we here?? There’s no return on investment)…

I thought Roger Penske was supposed to be a brilliant businessman? He’s failed. Over and over again with INDYCAR.

If this series will survive they need to go back to their roots. Open up the rule book, make the engines sound like Jacques Villeneuve’s Players sponsored beast and have some real horsepower again. Like this: https://youtu.be/8czCR5Bh7fY?si=-jZljfIie4maZFeu
 
MichVandal said:
This is a few seasons late, imho.
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Pfft. What could he have done? They have zero resources. His job was to say cute things on DTS and pose with boats.

I hope he takes his gorgeous wife and drives off to his vineyard in Italy. From something I read he's apparently a practically a billionaire, too. He can live like Montaigne for the next 30 years. Pure bliss. Leave the BS behind.
 
Kepler said:
Pfft. What could he have done? They have zero resources. His job was to say cute things on DTS and pose with boats.

I hope he takes his gorgeous wife and drives off to his vineyard in Italy. From something I read he's apparently a practically a billionaire, too. He can live like Montaigne for the next 30 years. Pure bliss. Leave the BS behind.
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Focus on learning the core issues instead of just throwing parts at the car. He managed like a business person running a hardcore engineering group. They had enough resources to do well, but I don't think he lead all that well.
 
MichVandal said:
Focus on learning the core issues instead of just throwing parts at the car. He managed like a business person running a hardcore engineering group. They had enough resources to do well, but I don't think he lead all that well.
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I thought his background was as a car guy? Like Binotto, I thought he was a great nuts and bolts guy who just couldn't balance (and couldn't stand) the financial-political stuff as Principal?

Though, I mean, putting it like that, maybe he should have failed faster.

Is Haas ever going to get above, say, 7th, though? It seems to me that a backmarker's Principal's job is to make sure the team doesn't go bankrupt and the owner stays more interested in wasting money on F1 than, say, Epstein's island.
 
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Kepler said:
I thought his background was as a car guy? Like Binotto, I thought he was a great nuts and bolts guy who just couldn't balance (and couldn't stand) the financial-political stuff as Principal?

Though, I mean, putting it like that, maybe he should have failed faster.

Is Haas ever going to get above, say, 7th, though? It seems to me that a backmarker's Principal's job is to make sure the team doesn't go bankrupt and the owner stays more interested in wasting money on F1 than, say, Epstein's island.
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They have shown clear potential to do it. But Gunther getting sponsors like Rich Energy and Urkalai (sp?) put a quick end to that. Even now, they have a really quick car, but have never really figured out how to keep the tires under the car. Even when that's been the only real problem for years.
 
MichVandal said:
They have shown clear potential to do it. But Gunther getting sponsors like Rich Energy and Urkalai (sp?) put a quick end to that. Even now, they have a really quick car, but have never really figured out how to keep the tires under the car. Even when that's been the only real problem for years.
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Don't you get the Sponsors you can? Do you think Berkshire Hathaway was coming through that door?
 
Kepler said:
Don't you get the Sponsors you can? Do you think Berkshire Hathaway was coming through that door?
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Rich Energy was a fake energy drink. Totally fake. The guy was such a scam that I don't know how Gunther didn't see it.

Urkalai was basically a russian billionaire paying his kids seat.

And the latter was totally because the former.

Haas joined F1 in 2016, and they didn't get a real sponsor until 2023 until an actual sponsor came to the team. That's 100% on Gunther.

And he's a business guy. Trying to lead an engineering team with that kind of complications, yea.

I really thought he should have been canned after the Rich Energy debacle.
 
Kepler said:
Helpful visualization.
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What's kind of sad about that chart are all of the teams that won championships that didn't continue. How in the world did bottom team Minardi survive that long w/o help when winners like Brahbam or even the original Renault team die off? Williams survived that era. I bet the team that most people miss the most is Lotus, who had such a dominant time up until the 90s.
 
We should bring back the best names of each of the existing teams, anyway:
  • Ferrari
  • McLaren
  • Tyrrell
  • Williams
  • Renault
  • Aston Martin
  • Alfa Romeo
  • Jaguar
And restore the lost classics:
  • Lotus
  • Sauber
 
Kepler said:
We should bring back the best names of each of the existing teams, anyway:
  • Ferrari
  • McLaren
  • Tyrrell
  • Williams
  • Renault
  • Aston Martin
  • Alfa Romeo
  • Jaguar
And restore the lost classics:
  • Lotus
  • Sauber
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I'm actually not in favor of that at all. The current Alfa Romeo has nothing to actually do with the company other than advertising. It's meaningless to me. The last time the actual company Alfa Romeo had a team was in the 80s. And unless the company that owns Jaguar comes back, leave them out- that was a total disaster brought on by Jac Nassar.

The recent, multiple, iterations of Lotus were pointless- they brought nothing of what Chapman started with in the 60s- which was far, far more like Red Bull WRT creativity than just a name. Lotus is gone more because nobody knew how to run a car company and/or and F1 team in the 90s. Having worked with them on a project in the late 90s, they were nothing of what they were supposed to be.

Names are just names. Teams are what matters.
 
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