Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

[Whalers]

Sometimes, Shiite just breaks. Can be as simple as Adventures in Metallurgy.

The "Garage" knew when they saw Charles in the wall on the TV feed. The technicians knew a few nano seconds before that but were still in the process of raising their hands to their foreheads to say "Mingya".

 

[MichVandal]

I have an ignorant question: is the power steering failing there right at the beginning something that just happens when it's time, or should the garage have known something was wrong -- or did they even install or calibrate something wrong -- or did Charles do something extreme to the car that caused the glitch?

Pilot error, crew error, or Act of God?

Rarely happens, and the Act of God part was the timing that resulted in him crashing instead of getting back to the pits to retire. Why it happens, only the team will know and I doubt it will ever be published.

I can't see Charles doing anything really wrong other than bad timing.

As for the team knowing and telling him- there's a fine line to watch there- the team isn't allowed to radio the driver during the formation lap anymore- so I'm thinking they hoped it would not get worse to the point they knew the car had to retire on the formation lap. If was going to be a terminal problem- they would radio, as the penalty is an in race one (which, of course is irrelevant when you retire).

 

[Kepler]

the team isn't allowed to radio the driver during the formation lap anymore

What is the reason for that?

 

[MichVandal]

What is the reason for that?

They used to coach the drivers to set up the car for an optimum start. Not sure why that is so bad- it's not as if it's really that different now. The funny part is when rain suddenly starts on the formation lap, the team can't tell the driver to come in- the driver has to make that decision on their own and tell the team he's coming in to get rain tires on (or vice versa).

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Haas is petitioning the results of the US GP for track violations. Red Bull, AM, and Williams will meet Wednesday. Perez is rumored to have the most violations at 18. If they’re all applied that would drop Perez to 10th and bring the P2 battle within 21 points.

 

[Kepler]

Haas is petitioning the results of the US GP for track violations. Red Bull, AM, and Williams will meet Wednesday. Perez is rumored to have the most violations at 18. If they’re all applied that would drop Perez to 10th and bring the P2 battle within 21 points.

I gotta call Gene!

 

[MichVandal]

The Race is reporting that GM has registered as a Power Unit manufacturer starting in 2028. Which gives a lot of backing to the Andretti bid to get into F1.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

The Race is reporting that GM has registered as a Power Unit manufacturer starting in 2028. Which gives a lot of backing to the Andretti bid to get into F1.

This is the last shot against F1. There is nothing else they can logically say to explain why they don't want Andretti to enter.

 

[Jimjamesak]

This is the last shot against F1. There is nothing else they can logically say to explain why they don't want Andretti to enter.

It's a mostly European fanbase, "No Americans" is a perfectly logical reason for them.

 

[Handyman]

I'm in Vegas right now...the F1Vrace here is a friggin boondoggle and is going to be a financial disaster. People here are not happy...and i guess they cant sell rooms or tickets.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

It's a mostly European fanbase, "No Americans" is a perfectly logical reason for them.

But F1 is now owned by Americans. And the teams have no say in the decision (other than political pressure).

 

[Russell Jaslow]

I'm in Vegas right now...the F1Vrace here is a friggin boondoggle and is going to be a financial disaster. People here are not happy...and i guess they cant sell rooms or tickets.

Well F1 are the ones on the hook for it, as they are putting the race on themselves, not using a "middleman" promoter. So, they can take a hit better than others, and this is a 10-year plan for them.

 

[Kepler]

It's a mostly European fanbase, "No Americans" is a perfectly logical reason for them.

Can't blame them. Have you met us?

 

[MichVandal]

Well F1 are the ones on the hook for it, as they are putting the race on themselves, not using a "middleman" promoter. So, they can take a hit better than others, and this is a 10-year plan for them.

10 years or until the locals make it impossible to race there. Which would not be that hard- all of the people suffering could easily make it impossible for the high rollers to enjoy themselves. Which would strip the entire point of the race. And then F1 is bleeding money. It will make the Andretti "loss" look really small. Think about this- F1 is spending $500M, which is more than the bottom 5 teams get in prize money, and would make team 11 pittance. So if they bleed money over this, then the Andretti snub will look even more stupid.

 

[SJHovey]

I'm in Vegas right now...the F1Vrace here is a friggin boondoggle and is going to be a financial disaster. People here are not happy...and i guess they cant sell rooms or tickets.

I think they could change that by spicing the race up a bit. Add a couple of Turkish cabbies from Las Vegas, driving mid-90's Impalas, to the field. My money would be on the cabbies.

 

[Kepler]

I think they could change that by spicing the race up a bit. Add a couple of Turkish cabbies from Las Vegas, driving mid-90's Impalas, to the field. My money would be on the cabbies.

It sounds to me that at 5 degrees C the track will be an ice rink. It's going to be plenty exciting. Imagine 19 Latifis and Max.

 

[SJHovey]

It sounds to me that at 5 degrees C the track will be an ice rink. It's going to be plenty exciting. Imagine 19 Latifis and Max.

Is that what the temp is supposed to be Saturday? Yeesh. I have a friend who has been out there the last few days and he told me the weather has been great. But I know it can turn in a hurry.

 

[Kepler]

Is that what the temp is supposed to be Saturday? Yeesh. I have a friend who has been out there the last few days and he told me the weather has been great. But I know it can turn in a hurry.

Yes, the worry is they will break the Montreal record. This is at night. Deserts are hot in the day... and cold at night. I guess there are no desert courses on F1 oh wait.

I watched an excellent video with a guy who made a good point: those temperatures usually mean "winter testing," meaning among other things two warm up laps instead of one during quali. So now we'll have twice as many drivers going slow while other drivers try to get in their timed laps, all under cold conditions with no grip on a track that exacerbates by having few turns.

Whoopie!

 

[MichVandal]

Yes, the worry is they will break the Montreal record. This is at night. Deserts are hot in the day... and cold at night. I guess there are no desert courses on F1 oh wait.

I watched an excellent video with a guy who made a good point: those temperatures usually mean "winter testing," meaning among other things two warm up laps instead of one during quali. So now we'll have twice as many drivers going slow while other drivers try to get in their timed laps, all under cold conditions with no grip on a track that exacerbates by having few turns.

Whoopie!

They have to do faster than a slow warm up lap- both because of the min speed rules and they have to put real effort into the tires to get them to warm up.

But race wise, the out laps from pits will be really interesting- they will cool down fast as they slowly head out on the track. And in a few years, they are taking away the tire heaters.

 

[Handyman]

Is that what the temp is supposed to be Saturday? Yeesh. I have a friend who has been out there the last few days and he told me the weather has been great. But I know it can turn in a hurry.

It was nice until today. Got very cloudy. Temps have barely broke 70 my 4 days here. At night mid 50s is the best I saw with upper 40s in play.

Apparently rooms are being discounted upwards of 80% from original ask.

And I had a cabbie the other day who could win the race easily. Last time I was that scared was in Cairo...