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Open Wheel Racing 2018- with less winglets.

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That was a heck of a race today at the Hungary track. For a track that passing isn't supposed to happen, it happened, a lot.

And that was a very bold strategy by Mercedes to pit Hamilton, and let him catch up from 20 seconds down. Epic drive there.
 
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alfablue said:
That was a heck of a race today at the Hungary track. For a track that passing isn't supposed to happen, it happened, a lot.

And that was a very bold strategy by Mercedes to pit Hamilton, and let him catch up from 20 seconds down. Epic drive there.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.

Heck of a "comeback" for F1 after the France debacle.
 
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Question...I rewatched Senna this past weekend and i’m Wondering if any of you agree the fatal crash was caused by a broken steering column?

If yes, Why didn’t Williams produce data to refute this claim?
 
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solovsfett said:
Question...I rewatched Senna this past weekend and i’m Wondering if any of you agree the fatal crash was caused by a broken steering column?

If yes, Why didn’t Williams produce data to refute this claim?
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From what I understand, the case was still being litigated. So Williams could not comment.
 
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solovsfett said:
Question...I rewatched Senna this past weekend and i’m Wondering if any of you agree the fatal crash was caused by a broken steering column?

If yes, Why didn’t Williams produce data to refute this claim?
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It might be but couldn't it also be that the car was set up so low that it was making constant contact with the ground and during the period it is on the ground control is lost?

Second issue. it's silly season and to my mind there are a lot of drivers out there who are in hot water. I wonder how many are going to be on the same teams next year.
And lastly did you see the youtube autosport video about Danny ric's contract issues. pretty interesting.
 
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Let me give you an example of just how hard it is to set up a formula car. A freind of mine and his brother have two identical cars. They were set up identically. Same corner weights, same camber, caster, toe, etc. Same shocks. But one car, once it got turned in and took a set, when the driver goes to the throttle, which is of course well before the apex, the car would lose weight on the front wheels and understeer. So they were having to get on the throttle slower and more progressively. Of course this compromises lap times.

So bottom line they found one rear ball joint a couple of centimeters higher than the other car's similar ball joint. They were able thus to space the opposite corner top ball joint up about 1/2 an inch which lowered the instantaneous roll center sufficiently to make it run like the second car. Still a lot of work to find a very small difference.
 
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manurespreader said:
Let me give you an example of just how hard it is to set up a formula car. A freind of mine and his brother have two identical cars. They were set up identically. Same corner weights, same camber, caster, toe, etc. Same shocks. But one car, once it got turned in and took a set, when the driver goes to the throttle, which is of course well before the apex, the car would lose weight on the front wheels and understeer. So they were having to get on the throttle slower and more progressively. Of course this compromises lap times.

So bottom line they found one rear ball joint a couple of centimeters higher than the other car's similar ball joint. They were able thus to space the opposite corner top ball joint up about 1/2 an inch which lowered the instantaneous roll center sufficiently to make it run like the second car. Still a lot of work to find a very small difference.
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(Ignoring the safety concerns) and just consider if there's an invisible hairline crack, that changes the stiffness of the chassis? Then all of the roll centers are not even controlled very well... I recall a few years ago, one of the teams really struggled with the two cars, and they eventually found a crack in the chassis.

On the other hand, when you get it right, I suspect it's very rewarding.
 
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alfablue said:
(Ignoring the safety concerns) and just consider if there's an invisible hairline crack, that changes the stiffness of the chassis? Then all of the roll centers are not even controlled very well... I recall a few years ago, one of the teams really struggled with the two cars, and they eventually found a crack in the chassis.

On the other hand, when you get it right, I suspect it's very rewarding.
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yep. and that's one reason that Williams, earlier in the year, swapped Kubica's car for Russells.
 
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First big change has happened- Gasley has been replaced by Albon for the top Red Bull team. And they really needed more speed from Gasley to protect Max.

If there's another change, my gut suggests Kubica- regardless of how good a story it's been to see him back.
 
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alfablue said:
First big change has happened- Gasley has been replaced by Albon for the top Red Bull team. And they really needed more speed from Gasley to protect Max.

If there's another change, my gut suggests Kubica- regardless of how good a story it's been to see him back.
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Albon is awful green. He's done a good job but I doubt he's actually ready. I would have picked Kvyat but politically he couldn't be moved.
I'd be surprised if Kubica goes and he might even be back next year. Now if you had said one or both of the Haas guys, i'd completely agree.
 
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In terms of Haas, everything I read calls Grojean a far better development driver than Magnusson. So I suspect Kevin will be out.
 
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alfablue said:
In terms of Haas, everything I read calls Grojean a far better development driver than Magnusson. So I suspect Kevin will be out.
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But Grosjean makes too many mistakes, and I think Steiner's patience has run out on him.

And, it's Gasly.

You need an F1 driver's name spelling lesson. LOL
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
But Grosjean makes too many mistakes, and I think Steiner's patience has run out on him.

And, it's Gasly.

You need an F1 driver's name spelling lesson. LOL
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Kevin does, too. So if you had to choose one, it seems to me that Magnussen brings less to the table than Grosjean.
 
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Based on the wreck that Takuma Sato just caused, and how he caused it- dude, I think your time is over. That was a horrible move that was lucky to not hurt more people really badly.
 
alfablue said:
Based on the wreck that Takuma Sato just caused, and how he caused it- dude, I think your time is over. That was a horrible move that was lucky to not hurt more people really badly.
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Sato has really done some dumb things in his career and honestly today highlights two big problems for indycar:

1. They still have drivers who race with no respect towards other and those drivers must be weeded out stat.
2. The only oval over 1 mike they should race on is INDY. Pocono sucks, has no crowd and more important it’s incredibly dangerous with today’s fields that don’t string out like they did in the 60’s-80’s
 
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solovsfett said:
Sato has really done some dumb things in his career and honestly today highlights two big problems for indycar:

1. They still have drivers who race with no respect towards other and those drivers must be weeded out stat.
2. The only oval over 1 mike they should race on is INDY. Pocono sucks, has no crowd and more important it’s incredibly dangerous with today’s fields that don’t string out like they did in the 60’s-80’s
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The way I saw it was that the cars were stringing out, but the passing was so hard sometimes that it really restricted how far apart they could really get. Other than the one accident, it was a cleanly driven race (for the most part).
 
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alfablue said:
The way I saw it was that the cars were stringing out, but the passing was so hard sometimes that it really restricted how far apart they could really get. Other than the one accident, it was a cleanly driven race (for the most part).
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I agree with that and I want to add. That track has to do something to make it safer in a wreck. the way the fences are constructed means that drivers can get hurt easily by impacting the posts holding it. That is my number one issue. There was a Formula C driver killed at the Kink last year at RA and it took about 3 nanoseconds for the track to add safety barriers to the corner.
Maybe Sato's team can volunteer to pay for the repairs to other people's cars? (Tongue in cheek there.)

Did you see where Russell is getting hate mail from Kubica fans? For what? And Kubica hasn't been all that good with the press just BTW..

I am rooting for him, and I think he is bringing benefits to the table, but his fans need to relax.
 
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People are odd- why in the world would it be George Russel's fault that Kubica has his job threatened? Robert is the one driving, and if you listen to the two of them, they are very, very, very far from playing head games with each other.
 
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