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Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!

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RBR dominating practice @ India, the title race is ovah. It was fun while it lasted.
 
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****, I'm going to try and watch India but I have a sinking feeling TimothyA is right, this title is Vettel's

INDYCAR...Robin Miller has an article up on speed today that skewers the management @ 16th and Georgetown

my guess is Randy Bernard is out and they're negotiating how best to move on. the reason they've not announced it is they've seen how heavily the fanbase supports Randy they don't want to make an announcement without having a carrot for the fans in an attempt to not lose 50% of their fanbase immediately
 
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I have one less racing series to watch now. For once I am happy F1 has iron grips over the teams.
 
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What if F1 allowed DRS even if you were not within 1 sec of somebody??
 
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Looking more and more that Vettel will take the championship. He won, and while Alonso finished 2nd, it wasn't much of a race. He did manage to pass Weber ON the track, but only after Weber started to have problems with the charging system. (and that includes a lot of laps where he should have been close enough, but even the speed of the Ferrari wasn't enough).

Hamilton closed to almost challenge Weber at the end, but needed 2-3 more laps, I think.
 
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The decision was immediately criticized by Roger Penske, the most powerful owner in open-wheel racing. "I'm very disappointed in this decision; the board continues to show poor judgment. There is no future plan," Penske said. "The series had momentum. New cars, new engines and new race formats, all brought about by Randy. "No business can run with a senior management change every two years."

good on Roger but why the **** didn't he come out and back Randy Bernard earlier?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ar.indycar.bernard.out.3rd.ld.writethru.2271/
 
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solovsfett said:
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/arti...rnard-fired-during-emergency-board-meeting/P1

the end of American Open Wheel Racing. play taps fellas, they finally killed it.

F1 is the only series I'll follow until the Hulman's sell IMS and get their hick asses out of Indycar
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What I don't understand is why the Board forced TG out, then they fire RB. Maybe the 2 moves are NOT related? Why did the Board feel compelled to have an emergency meeting? Was RB going to do something radical in the coming days (like ditch Firestone?). There had to have been something imminent that RB was going to do that spawned the emergency meeting. Is there any way TG ends up back in charge? He was forced out, how could they hire him back? Oh wait..this is the Indycar Series, duh.

F1...Vettel controlled the whole race. Alonso squeezed every drop out of his car he could with a great start and a lucky break at the end.
 
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Timothy A said:
What I don't understand is why the Board forced TG out, then they fire RB. Maybe the 2 moves are NOT related? Why did the Board feel compelled to have an emergency meeting? Was RB going to do something radical in the coming days (like ditch Firestone?). There had to have been something imminent that RB was going to do that spawned the emergency meeting. Is there any way TG ends up back in charge? He was forced out, how could they hire him back? Oh wait..this is the Indycar Series, duh.

F1...Vettel controlled the whole race. Alonso squeezed every drop out of his car he could with a great start and a lucky break at the end.
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as far as I can tell TG was ousted from the board in part so that the appearance of impropriety could be avoided when they sell to his group which rumor has includes Zak Brown (the guy that will eventually take over for Bernie Ecclestone).

Paul Tracy tweeted Zak Brown is the new guy, if so, that means TG has won and will be "owner" of the series with Zak as CEO.

either way that's terrible news. Why let Tony George even run a hamburger stand at IMS or Fontana? why? And IF YOU DO let him purchase why would you hire a CEO who's main goal isn't YOUR SERIES but to head up F1?

this is why Indycar is dead. they don't get it and from the sounds of all the people writing in to speed I won't be the only one walking from Indycar.

33 years of watching this series and now it's over. ugh

F1 - I can only hope Vettel suffers a car failure or two in the next couple of races. If not we're looking at that little punk joining Senna, Lauda etc as a 3x WDC and I don't think he's half the talent of Senna
 
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Read thisorning that Simona signed with KV. **** just when H&G Co. screw everything up my favorite underdog driver gets a decent ride and a great mentor driver in Kanaan.
 
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So I emailed Miller about this deal, looking for answers, here's what I got back.:
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Because they're spinless cowards

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Tim > wrote:

So Robin, why did the Board @ Indy have to do an emergency meeting on a Sunday in late October to fire RB? Was he on the verge of doing something they would not approve of the very next week? Why couldn't he have been fired at the next scheduled board meeting?

Also I find it curious they forced TG out, then they fire the guy he hated anyway. The forcing out of TG seemed to eliminate a big RB detractor. I don't get it, enlighten me.

Thanks,

Tim - Juneau WI
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What a lame response. As a reporter, he should be digging for answers. I'm not sure how much a reporter he really is.

On a related note, Penske is not happy with what has gone on..."powerful team owner Roger Penske accused the board of directors of showing "poor judgment" following Sunday night's firing of Bernard.
"There is no future plan," Penske said. "They need to realize this will hurt teams with major sponsors. We need continuity."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/...lan-presented-following-firing/#ixzz2AtjKakcd

Penske gets it. He should have Cindric take over his team and he should run Indy. He has what it takes. Obviously many would cry foul, but there is no one as qualified as him.
 
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Timothy A said:
So I emailed Miller about this deal, looking for answers, here's what I got back.:
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Because they're spinless cowards

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Tim > wrote:

So Robin, why did the Board @ Indy have to do an emergency meeting on a Sunday in late October to fire RB? Was he on the verge of doing something they would not approve of the very next week? Why couldn't he have been fired at the next scheduled board meeting?

Also I find it curious they forced TG out, then they fire the guy he hated anyway. The forcing out of TG seemed to eliminate a big RB detractor. I don't get it, enlighten me.

Thanks,

Tim - Juneau WI
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What a lame response. As a reporter, he should be digging for answers. I'm not sure how much a reporter he really is.

On a related note, Penske is not happy with what has gone on..."powerful team owner Roger Penske accused the board of directors of showing "poor judgment" following Sunday night's firing of Bernard.
"There is no future plan," Penske said. "They need to realize this will hurt teams with major sponsors. We need continuity."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/...lan-presented-following-firing/#ixzz2AtjKakcd

Penske gets it. He should have Cindric take over his team and he should run Indy. He has what it takes. Obviously many would cry foul, but there is no one as qualified as him.
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I think Robin Miller is so fed up with the circus that he just doesn't care anymore. also in the article he stated he "loathes" those people and he's including all the car owner's in that.

I'm not defending him for not digging but the truth probably is no-one in the paddock will talk to him now because he's exposed them all as frauds and worse.

as for Penske I think he should have spoken up months ago. he could have saved Randy, his silence on the subject until after the fact tells me he didn't favor Bernard for who knows what reason.

this is all just so sad.

what they NEED is a CEO with an ironclad 10-year contract that includes a stipulation that upset whining crybaby myopic car owner's can dig in their own pockets and start their own series if they feel so put off. I swear the lot of Indycar team owner's are dumber than paint on a wall, including penske (when it comes to the overall sport, not his own team)

and the proof of that is count how many CEO's they've had since they split from USAC, up through the TG split and to today. most of those changes are due to bratty whining ****y car owner's.

the moral is they cannot be allowed any power at all, bring a Bernie-type person to town and then let them cry all they want. once the sponsors begin coming back and fans in the stands they may not stop with the texts, im's, emails and phone calls attempting sabotage, but they'd have very little chance of swaying the board

but for right now?

I honestly do not know how Izod, Firestone, Honda, Chevy, Sun-Drop, Target, want to be associated with Indycar, they've become a world-wide joke.
 
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solovsfett said:
as for Penske I think he should have spoken up months ago. he could have saved Randy, his silence on the subject until after the fact tells me he didn't favor Bernard for who knows what reason.
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Marshall Pruett has an excellent article about the basis of the firing @ SPEED. He basically lays out the mis-steps, none of which are new to our eyes, but it shows RB eventually eroded all the support of owners and the drivers. He did alot of good things, things that turned the fans on, but in the end he didn't find the balance needed between the fans, the owners and drivers.

I can see the owner's viewpoint that they were told the car was going to cost X, but in the end it cost XX. I'm with them on that front. I'm also with the Chevy owners on turgogate. Allowing Honda to change was outside the rules. I'm against the owners on their opposition to the new chassis.

I'm against the drivers on most of thier gripes, other than the re-start @ Louden, which was all BB's fault, and he was fired. Marshall did not point that out that RB did take care of this problem. The drivers all cried bad things were going to happen when this or that change happened (double file restarts for one), and other than Vegas, it never came to fruition. (and the Vegas death of Wheldon, and if that post was outside the fence on the stands side, he may not have died, so that is on the track.)

RB lined up Continental Tyres to replace Firestone and apparently EVERYONE screamed foul, siting safety. I call B.S. on that. Firestone told Indy they were leaving a couple years ago. Indy begged them to stay, so they did, then they jacked up the tyre price. Screw them. RB has every right to line up a new supplier with a lower cost. I'm 100% sure Continental Tires could have produced a safe tyre.

I'm looking forward to part 2 tomorrow.
 
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Part 2....So they had a timeline in place to fire RB, but the Corporate pressure about bad publicity led them to pull the pin sooner than they wanted to, sooner as in before they had an actual plan in place to keep things rolling. I also think the impending tyre deal with Continental was a factor too.

Personally, I am still in Indy's corner, as long as TG is out of the picture. He's the one who ruined it back in 95, he's the one whose mess we are still dealing with now.
 
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So Hamilton is really trying hard to get some points after he announced his move. Got the pole for the race tomorrow- not bad. Pretty big gap between him and Weber in 2nd. I sure hope he can pull off the win. Theoretically, numerically in it, but 75 points back tells me he's not going to take it.

Vettel 3rd, Alonso way back.... Alonso has to hope that Vettel gets some of the luck he's gotten, and that perhaps Grojean will take him out... ;) 13 points separate the two.
 
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Alonso got his luck with RBR not knowing how much fuel their car uses! Ha! And it happens to Vettel to boot!
 
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MattS said:
Alonso got his luck with RBR not knowing how much fuel their car uses! Ha! And it happens to Vettel to boot!
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Alonso also has luck that the stewards have their own interpretation of the overtime work rule.
 
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