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Open Wheel Racing 2012: The year of the ugly cars!

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MattS said:
I read this morning the Robert Kubica had another surgery on his elbow last month. This one will allow (hopefully) for him to be able to turn a steering wheel to the left (good thing he's not a NASCAR driver!) without problems.

I hope, but seriously doubt, that he can return to competitive racing someday.
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Unfortunately, the reality is very harsh. Think about what that report said -- another operation just so he can turn the steering wheel. Just being able to turn a steering wheel is a far cry from handling the harsh conditions of an F1 cockpit at tremendous g-forces, not to mention the amazing reaction time needed to drive an F1 car.

What has never been officially said, but I am totally convinced actually happened, based on the re-enactment videos that are out there if you search for them, is that his arm was severed or very nearly so. I felt this way as soon as I heard about the crash and his condition and the "reports" from the hospital. And who was the current F1 driver who saw him and mentioned Kubica can't even eat with that hand?

There is no way we have the medical technology to reattach an arm to the point where it is good enough to drive an F1 car. Make it functional for normal living? Yes. But not to drive an F1 car.

Some may remember what happened to Alessandro Nannini's promising young F1 career when he crashed his helicopter, severing his right forehand. They reattached it and is living a normal life now, but he never drove an F1 car again. He was able to have a somewhat successful touring car career despite only regaining partial use of his hand.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
What has never been officially said, but I am totally convinced actually happened, based on the re-enactment videos that are out there if you search for them, is that his arm was severed or very nearly so. I felt this way as soon as I heard about the crash and his condition and the "reports" from the hospital.
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It's public info that his forearm was partially severed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/15853406
 
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Regarding the Belle Isle track, it appears that the powers that be are committed to improving the track enough to make a much better racing surface for next year. I like that they are changing the course, but whether this will be enough to make a quality circuit is a question to be answered.
http://www.freep.com/article/201206...-race-track-to-be-made-longer-faster-stronger

I also see that the GP of America is now on thin ice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...tone-doubtful-over-Grand-Prix-of-America.html
 
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manurespreader said:
Regarding the Belle Isle track, it appears that the powers that be are committed to improving the track enough to make a much better racing surface for next year. I like that they are changing the course, but whether this will be enough to make a quality circuit is a question to be answered.
http://www.freep.com/article/201206...-race-track-to-be-made-longer-faster-stronger

I also see that the GP of America is now on thin ice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...tone-doubtful-over-Grand-Prix-of-America.html
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I thought for a moment that it was about the race in Texas, which tickets JUST went on sale for. But I've heard about the New Jersey race having issues. That's the one I really want to work, as we can make that one pretty easy if we stay with friends in Manhattan. Work hard- there are plenty of interested parties in their work.
 
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alfablue said:
I thought for a moment that it was about the race in Texas, which tickets JUST went on sale for. But I've heard about the New Jersey race having issues. That's the one I really want to work, as we can make that one pretty easy if we stay with friends in Manhattan. Work hard- there are plenty of interested parties in their work.
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The only issue the NJ track is having is Bernie spouting his mouth off because Bernie has too many races lined up for the calendar limit.

Now that Spain has agreed to alternate their two venues, Bernie has a little relief.

The supposed failure to meet payments to Bernie is the same thing Austin went through. Must be an American thing... Austin eventually worked it out. But I wonder how much of that issue is Bernie produced ... see above.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
The supposed failure to meet payments to Bernie is the same thing Austin went through. Must be an American thing... Austin eventually worked it out. But I wonder how much of that issue is Bernie produced ... see above.
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Austin's problem was some kind of irreconcilable differences in track ownership (some sort of falling out with Tavo Hellmund) that led to contract issues that had to be smoothed over with suitable application of money.
 
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Apparently Indycar wanted to put another fence on the inside of the track @ Texas so the fence poles would not be inside the track and Texas said no to the request. I'd boycot the race if I were driving. It's questionable that they should be there at all (they are going with mega low downforce to avoid the pack racing), and to me this is a huge safety issue that should not be taken lightly. I don't think Indycar should race at any track with the fence poles on the trackside of the fence.
 
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1. I hope Rubert Kubica can regain enough use of his arm to function normally in life. Forget about F1, he's **** lucky he has that arm at this point.

2. TimothyA - totally agree w/you on Texas. UNless....the races are like michigan w/Hanford which it very well could be after seeing them at Indy...
 
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Watching qualifying from Montreal right now- no real comments on it- do wonder if we may see a 7th winner.

But, holy cow, is the weather awesome or what??? Spectacular.

They showed a delluge 5 min after P2 yesterday afternoon- did a great job washing the track. :p
 
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With so many cars being competitive it should be a great race. I know a lot of people like the track but I'm not one of them. Too many walls if you ask me.
 
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manurespreader said:
With so many cars being competitive it should be a great race. I know a lot of people like the track but I'm not one of them. Too many walls if you ask me.
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Crazy race so far. Let alone the cars not being able to keep speed up for a very long stint- 10-15mph slower by the time they get new tires.
 
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this is a very weird race @ Texas. Apparently the draft is non-existent. the opposite of INDY. I wonder why?

terrible crowd

If I had to guess I'd say Gossage isn't going to want this race too much longer
 
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Jacques Villeneuve gets death threats after telling Quebec "students" to get back to school. :mad:
Villeneuve unleashed a five-minute diatribe to reporters at the Grand Prix red-carpet event Thursday evening while police clashed with protesters outside. Police arrested 37 people in total on Thursday, including some protesters who stripped down and took part in Thursday evening's "naked protest." Hundreds of students had stripped down to their underwear for the march, explaining that the cheeky move was a demand for more transparency from the government

The 41-year-old said students who on are strike are damaging Quebec society and hurting its economy.

"People (are) spending their time complaining," he said. "It's becoming a little bit ridiculous. They spoke, we heard, and now it's time to go back to school."
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Wow, what an end to the race! I didn't think that Wilson had a chance when he held on for a late pit, and then not pitting under Yellow. But then they reported that the leaders were out of sticker tires, and he had one more set.

Rahal ALMOST had that, but he admitted messing up- running high, and touching the wall. Basically a miracle that he finished, let alone second.

But major congratulations to Justin Wilson!!!!! That was something.

Great to hear the drivers just loving the driving with so low downforce. Unlike other series where they whine about not being able to run WOT all the way around. They all totally understand that 1- driving is better than holding on, and 2- keeping the car under you for the entire stint is key. So cool that they all really like driving like that!!!!!
 
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So we follow up the great Indy car race from Texas to an incredible F1 race in Montreal. Hamilton had to close and pass both Vettel and Alonso after stopping a second time to take that win. Great job! Alonso really did his best, but that was just too many laps on those tires. Vettel showed that had he pitted, he may have at least kept 4th- maybe even challenged the Sauber or Lotus at the end.

7 for 7- and had Lewis not done it, Grosean or Perez would have made it that.

Man, oh man, what a great weekend of open wheel racing. Real driving, real passing. Different strategies. Sweet.
 
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alfablue said:
So we follow up the great Indy car race from Texas to an incredible F1 race in Montreal. Hamilton had to close and pass both Vettel and Alonso after stopping a second time to take that win. Great job! Alonso really did his best, but that was just too many laps on those tires. Vettel showed that had he pitted, he may have at least kept 4th- maybe even challenged the Sauber or Lotus at the end.

7 for 7- and had Lewis not done it, Grosean or Perez would have made it that.

Man, oh man, what a great weekend of open wheel racing. Real driving, real passing. Different strategies. Sweet.
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you got it brother! incredible for both series.

I'm happy for Dale Coyne and Justin Wilson, what a great ending for them and a great story for Indycar.

and I'm very happy for Lewis as he's suffered quite a bit of needless sniping from the media over the last 2 years.
 
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sad, sad, sad.

this may be the last milwaukee open wheel race. I'm hearing just north of 13,000 sold thusfar. the week of the race. jesus christ. just no advertising like they used to do in the 80's and 90's. nothing at brookfield square, no billboards. which very likely means absolutely no advertising in chicago.

Andretti has very much disappointed here.
 
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