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Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

Re: Open Wheel Racing 2011, hurry, before we downsize your engines....

I put this in the "I'll believe it when I see it category" but I would love for it to happen as it is only 3 hours or so from where I live. :)

F1 Race in NJ?
 
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MattS said:
I put this in the "I'll believe it when I see it category" but I would love for it to happen as it is only 3 hours or so from where I live. :)

F1 Race in NJ?
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Moreso that the discussions are between potential investors and mayors.

So if I call myself a venture capitalits/investor, and then have Timothy A introduce me to the Mayor of Juneau, WI about a track, I'm sure we can make Speed's news, too. Especially if we come up with some idea about f1, Indycar, Moto GP, AND Nascar brining money to Juneau....

I'll belive it once it's on the schedule.
 
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MattS said:
I put this in the "I'll believe it when I see it category" but I would love for it to happen as it is only 3 hours or so from where I live. :)

F1 Race in NJ?
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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the plans already in motion in Austin, unless the whole point is to try to squeeze the city and/or state for more money.
 
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alfablue said:
I'll belive it once it's on the schedule.
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Exactly.

Craig P. said:
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the plans already in motion in Austin, unless the whole point is to try to squeeze the city and/or state for more money.
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It does make some sense in the F1 circus world because Bernie has stated he would wouldn't mind two races in the US and he has always wanted a race in NYC. I guess NJ is close enough. ;) Seriously, it has been kicked around before about a NJ race with Manhattan as the backdrop due to NYC never going to close any section of Manhattan for an F1 race.


What needs to happen is ISC needs to dump a ton of money in Watkins Glen to upgrade it to handle modern F1 cars and then hold the second race there! :)
 
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alfablue said:
Moreso that the discussions are between potential investors and mayors.

So if I call myself a venture capitalits/investor, and then have Timothy A introduce me to the Mayor of Juneau, WI about a track, I'm sure we can make Speed's news, too. Especially if we come up with some idea about f1, Indycar, Moto GP, AND Nascar brining money to Juneau....

I'll belive it once it's on the schedule.
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This may sound really crazy, but I've got a 16 turn layout ready to go in my head. I'll have to bike with the gps to get the distance. It's got some elevation changes, 2 long straights, and a mix of turns. The pit area will be at the high school. I'm contacting Cotman's track design firm to get it going. It will be part of the annual Juneau-Augustfest festival at the end of August. I know the Mayor will love the idea. Like all politicians, he's an exposure whore. Alpha, get the money ready.
 
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MattS said:
Something for all the Senna fans out there that have some spare cash sitting around....

Senna car up for auction
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Wow - does it come with a giant sized tube of Testor's glue? :D

I built a few of the Tamiya F-1 and World Championship car models back in my misspent youth. The detail in them was amazing.
 
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Dixon on pole w/Briscoe P2 for tomorrow

Rahal p6

27 cars. I can't wait.

I'm hearing that 2012 the car count for Indycar may be closer to 20 or possibly 22. ***? the new cars are more expensive?
 
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solovsfett said:
I'm hearing that 2012 the car count for Indycar may be closer to 20 or possibly 22. ***? the new cars are more expensive?
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Supposedly they are going to cost less but the thing is none of the teams have had to purchase cars in a long time. When was the last update to the Dallara? Something like 2003? So now all of these team are going to have to shell out tons of money on new chassis. 20 cars seems a little light to me but maybe that will be correct.
 
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MattS said:
Supposedly they are going to cost less but the thing is none of the teams have had to purchase cars in a long time. When was the last update to the Dallara? Something like 2003? So now all of these team are going to have to shell out tons of money on new chassis. 20 cars seems a little light to me but maybe that will be correct.
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Ironically, the period that most think as the best of the best for CART- the late 80's, early 90's, was a chassis war AND an engine war. Somehow the combination made for rather affordable cars, since there were so many competing. Oh, well. I still have some hope.
 
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What an aweful race today. Everyone play follow the leader and make good mileage. I think they shoud do away with fuel stops next year so this mileage crap is gone. The Indy folks just don't understand these milage races are terrible to watch.

The the 1st full course yellows was totally uncalled for. In F1, 2 cars make contact and there's 1,000 shards of fiberglass and composite material all over the track and they only have local yellows. Some dope is against the tyres, way out of the way, and they throw the yellow.

It's a race like today than makes me wonder why I bother following this series. Every F1 race has lots of drama, lots of talk about fastest sector times and laps, tyre strategies and whatever else goes on.
 
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Timothy A said:
What an aweful race today. Everyone play follow the leader and make good mileage. I think they shoud do away with fuel stops next year so this mileage crap is gone. The Indy folks just don't understand these milage races are terrible to watch.

The the 1st full course yellows was totally uncalled for. In F1, 2 cars make contact and there's 1,000 shards of fiberglass and composite material all over the track and they only have local yellows. Some dope is against the tyres, way out of the way, and they throw the yellow.

It's a race like today than makes me wonder why I bother following this series. Every F1 race has lots of drama, lots of talk about fastest sector times and laps, tyre strategies and whatever else goes on.
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agreed, fuel mileage races blow.

Danica took out Rahal, not sure if that was 100% her fault but man he's having a **** season.

the comments about Danica going taxicar due to being unable to turn right pretty much underscore why she's an average driver.

she's cute but.....good riddance

Simona and Ana are clearly better drivers than patrick at this point
 
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Wasn't DP a pretty good Kart driver? They have to go both ways, why can't she translate that to Indy? Most F1 guys start out in Karting and then move up through the lesser circuits. Maybe Indy needs a farm system (Formula Atlantic, Vee, etc) where the good drivers are identified and promoted and the bad ones are sent packing.
 
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She did European feeder openwheel series 2 years, then Barber Dodge 1 year and the Toyota Atlantic series for 2 years (finished 6th and 3rd in the final standings), then Rahal brought her to the IRL. She never won a single race in all the feeder series and only had 1 pole. Rahal brought her up to the IRL because of her marketability. She's been all hype and no performace her whole career. Don't let the door hit ya Danica....
 
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Indycar.com has a picture of Dan Wheldon testing the 2012 car at Mid-Ohio on the front page.

I must admit I like the look of this car (almost looks like a bastardized bat-mobile) EXCEPT...the effing nascar fender in the back. I don't know how you can call that open wheel
 
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solovsfett said:
Indycar.com has a picture of Dan Wheldon testing the 2012 car at Mid-Ohio on the front page.

I must admit I like the look of this car (almost looks like a bastardized bat-mobile) EXCEPT...the effing nascar fender in the back. I don't know how you can call that open wheel
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Agreed. That rear end looks stupid. And I don't understand why they need to keep the wheels from interlocking on the road coarses. I can understand the ovals, although I don't agree with it.

I am not sure I like the nose either. It looks very old technology especially when compared to the noses of a F1 car. But to the best of my knowledge that is part of the car that the aero kits will cover so I guess maybe that is Dallara's bad nose. Or it is possible that Dallara doesn't really want to show what they have really designed for an aero kit until they have to.

Also why do they have Dan Wheldon testing the road coarse car? Do they want to know how a poor road coarse racer will do in it? I guess they must figure if he can run decent lap times then a real road coarse racer like Power would be fine in it.
 
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MattS said:
Agreed. That rear end looks stupid. And I don't understand why they need to keep the wheels from interlocking on the road coarses. I can understand the ovals, although I don't agree with it.

I am not sure I like the nose either. It looks very old technology especially when compared to the noses of a F1 car. But to the best of my knowledge that is part of the car that the aero kits will cover so I guess maybe that is Dallara's bad nose. Or it is possible that Dallara doesn't really want to show what they have really designed for an aero kit until they have to.

Also why do they have Dan Wheldon testing the road coarse car? Do they want to know how a poor road coarse racer will do in it? I guess they must figure if he can run decent lap times then a real road coarse racer like Power would be fine in it.
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I'm ok with the front- knowing that the F1 front looks more "cool", but also recognizing that it's part of the reason that F1 cars can't play well together- far too much reliance on downforce. Indycar doesn't realy need cars that scream downforce, vs just having enough. IMHO, F1 needs to scale back, quite a bit, the amount of downforce as well as the carbon brakes so that 1) the cars can race closer together, and 2) you can have cars that *can* outbrake each other every once in a while. But that's just me, remembering the good old days of the 80's.
 
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alfablue said:
I'm ok with the front- knowing that the F1 front looks more "cool", but also recognizing that it's part of the reason that F1 cars can't play well together- far too much reliance on downforce. Indycar doesn't realy need cars that scream downforce, vs just having enough. IMHO, F1 needs to scale back, quite a bit, the amount of downforce as well as the carbon brakes so that 1) the cars can race closer together, and 2) you can have cars that *can* outbrake each other every once in a while. But that's just me, remembering the good old days of the 80's.
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The problem I have is why update the car if it is going to look and handle the same? I don't think Indycar has to totally go to a F1 nose, but dang that thing looks the same as a 1985 indycar nose. If I wanted to watch vintage racing I would do just that.

I agree about F1 needing to take away some of the emphasis on downforce but since the teams cannot upgrade engines that leaves them with only one area to really develop. Otherwise it ends up a spec series.
 
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