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Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
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THE OHIO STATE
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
Something needs to change with this team the SECOND HALF of the season.
It needs to start at the TOP with the Coach and improve with the players and END with the goalies.
I hope this Christmas break is good for all the above.
I have said from the beginning of the season that we need the CORE of this team , the JR players to be the leaders as we were left with only one Senior this year.
I would like to see Coach do what he was doing at the beginning of the season , and start benching some of the VETERAN players and replace them with the younger players that are HUNGRY to play.
We need things to change for the better this second half. I know you can't WIN all the games, but we sure can try HARDER to do it.
" GO BUCKS GO. "
Something needs to change with this team the SECOND HALF of the season.
It needs to start at the TOP with the Coach and improve with the players and END with the goalies.
I hope this Christmas break is good for all the above.
I have said from the beginning of the season that we need the CORE of this team , the JR players to be the leaders as we were left with only one Senior this year.
I would like to see Coach do what he was doing at the beginning of the season , and start benching some of the VETERAN players and replace them with the younger players that are HUNGRY to play.
We need things to change for the better this second half. I know you can't WIN all the games, but we sure can try HARDER to do it.
" GO BUCKS GO. "
Buckeyefan2009
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
Only time will tell. I think the writing is on the wall. Someone take the team to the next level. Hasnt been a good TEAM since 2005.
Only time will tell. I think the writing is on the wall. Someone take the team to the next level. Hasnt been a good TEAM since 2005.
THE OHIO STATE
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
I hate to say this but , I think if we don't lose anyone to the PRO's next year that should be the payoff year of going far and having a good season in 2010-2011.
Two solid goalies and a large CORE of Seniors. We still will need to play as a team for the WINS.
The scary part of this is in 2011-2012 it will be like starting over with losing all them Seniors.
I hate to say this but , I think if we don't lose anyone to the PRO's next year that should be the payoff year of going far and having a good season in 2010-2011.
Two solid goalies and a large CORE of Seniors. We still will need to play as a team for the WINS.
The scary part of this is in 2011-2012 it will be like starting over with losing all them Seniors.
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
Quick question for the buckeye followers, do you guys typically still bring your 3rd string goalie on road trips, or was last night throwing him a bone a bit and letting him be a door opener somewhere other than Columbus.
The reason I ask this, in case you're unaware, is that you don't get the exemption when you are on the road, you can only dress 20, so you were down last night 1 skater all night to Miami. Whether that was only rolling 11 forwards, or 5 defensemen, I'm not sure, but that's definitely a situation you almost never see a team do.
Quick question for the buckeye followers, do you guys typically still bring your 3rd string goalie on road trips, or was last night throwing him a bone a bit and letting him be a door opener somewhere other than Columbus.
The reason I ask this, in case you're unaware, is that you don't get the exemption when you are on the road, you can only dress 20, so you were down last night 1 skater all night to Miami. Whether that was only rolling 11 forwards, or 5 defensemen, I'm not sure, but that's definitely a situation you almost never see a team do.
redhawkman10
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
HUH?
So you use quotations wrong and now you are capitalizing random words...
If you recruit well it doesn't matter who comes and goes you should be ok.
I hate to say this but , I think if we don't lose anyone to the PRO's next year that should be the payoff year of going far and having a good season in 2010-2011.
Two solid goalies and a large CORE of Seniors. We still will need to play as a team for the WINS.
The scary part of this is in 2011-2012 it will be like starting over with losing all them Seniors.
HUH?
So you use quotations wrong and now you are capitalizing random words...
If you recruit well it doesn't matter who comes and goes you should be ok.
klbaum1077
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
I am pretty sure at least 2 of the juniors will be gone.
4th place is probably out of the question now. To get 5th they will need to find a new special teams. Pretty much dead last in both PP and PK will not cut it especially when you take as many penalties as they do. I do believe this will be the end of Markell another season that was supposed to be great and they have fallen flat on there faces all season so far and you have to put some blame on the players but also some has to go to the coaches. This is not the first time a team has come into a season with high hopes and fallen on hard times.
He has played way better than his numbers show. I feel really bad for him.
I hate to say this but , I think if we don't lose anyone to the PRO's next year that should be the payoff year of going far and having a good season in 2010-2011.
Two solid goalies and a large CORE of Seniors. We still will need to play as a team for the WINS.
The scary part of this is in 2011-2012 it will be like starting over with losing all them Seniors.
I am pretty sure at least 2 of the juniors will be gone.
4th place is probably out of the question now. To get 5th they will need to find a new special teams. Pretty much dead last in both PP and PK will not cut it especially when you take as many penalties as they do. I do believe this will be the end of Markell another season that was supposed to be great and they have fallen flat on there faces all season so far and you have to put some blame on the players but also some has to go to the coaches. This is not the first time a team has come into a season with high hopes and fallen on hard times.
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Kitchenhockeydad
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
I can't see the 3rd goalie getting any playing time this year with the two we have, unless there is an injury. Just another
" STRANGE "D) move by Markell for some reason only he knows.
I can't see the 3rd goalie getting any playing time this year with the two we have, unless there is an injury. Just another
" STRANGE "
D) move by Markell for some reason only he knows.tic tac toe
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
I agree, OSU blew some good scoring opportunities, while Miami couldn't capitalize on great opportunities...and more of them. Still, shots on goal are the second most looked at stats, with the most important one being the score and when it was 2-0, I thought they were going to win. Even then I thought the team that would be the first to score 3 goals would win and I was correct. On the other hand if the Buckeyes would have went up 3-0 or 3-1, Miami and their faithful would not have given up.
Reward of course would be a win. I will watch the Buckeyes through my scarlet and gray glasses and always hope for the best til the end of the game, although I thought about throwing in the towel Friday when the score got to be 5-0.
I agree, OSU blew some good scoring opportunities, while Miami couldn't capitalize on great opportunities...and more of them. Still, shots on goal are the second most looked at stats, with the most important one being the score and when it was 2-0, I thought they were going to win. Even then I thought the team that would be the first to score 3 goals would win and I was correct. On the other hand if the Buckeyes would have went up 3-0 or 3-1, Miami and their faithful would not have given up.
tic tac toe
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
There are of several reason for dressing a third goalie. I don't know the real reason, but sometimes you just have to send a message.
There are of several reason for dressing a third goalie. I don't know the real reason, but sometimes you just have to send a message.
tic tac toe
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
Still most visiting team don't win in your place there opposing fans have little to cheer for, maybe I'll just drink the beer myself, wait until spring of 2011 to travel to Oxford and watch Camper and Wingels graduate. That will be something to cheer for.
Done deal. ( did I mention I havent paid for a ticket to a Miami game...ever. LOL )
Still most visiting team don't win in your place there opposing fans have little to cheer for, maybe I'll just drink the beer myself, wait until spring of 2011 to travel to Oxford and watch Camper and Wingels graduate. That will be something to cheer for.
OSUHockey09
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
If I had to guess it would be that Markell decided that the 3rd string goalie deserved the chance to sit on the bench rather than having any of the other players dress. Kyle Reed was a scratch, which was unusual.
Overall, this weekend was a disappointment. Friday night was just pathetic and the players gave up. I think it was the first time in the six years that I have been going to games that I actually left before the game was over. Saturday night the Bucks should have won, but they weren't able to hold on. At least Saturday night I got to watch the game on TV and didn't waste the gas money!
If I had to guess it would be that Markell decided that the 3rd string goalie deserved the chance to sit on the bench rather than having any of the other players dress. Kyle Reed was a scratch, which was unusual.
Overall, this weekend was a disappointment. Friday night was just pathetic and the players gave up. I think it was the first time in the six years that I have been going to games that I actually left before the game was over. Saturday night the Bucks should have won, but they weren't able to hold on. At least Saturday night I got to watch the game on TV and didn't waste the gas money!
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
You are all reading too much into the third goalie thing. NCAA rules allow 18 skaters and 3 goalies to dress, so no skater was benched so the third goalie could dress. The reason you don't often see the visiting team dress three goalies is that CCHA regulations only allow teams to take 22 total players on weekend road trips, so most teams prefer to take 2 extra skaters on a road trip than 1 extra skater and a third goalie. Since this was a home and home series, this limitation does not apply.
You are all reading too much into the third goalie thing. NCAA rules allow 18 skaters and 3 goalies to dress, so no skater was benched so the third goalie could dress. The reason you don't often see the visiting team dress three goalies is that CCHA regulations only allow teams to take 22 total players on weekend road trips, so most teams prefer to take 2 extra skaters on a road trip than 1 extra skater and a third goalie. Since this was a home and home series, this limitation does not apply.
redhawkman10
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
Hahaha, one of the funniest things I have read on here.
Well its never a bad thing to take in a game at goggin with the atmosphere it has, so you can come Ill get the tickets and you can get loaded before hand and look at the coed's! It will make the trip more enjoyable!
Hahaha, one of the funniest things I have read on here.
Well its never a bad thing to take in a game at goggin with the atmosphere it has, so you can come Ill get the tickets and you can get loaded before hand and look at the coed's! It will make the trip more enjoyable!
redhawkman10
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
Ok well atleast you clarified. I wouldn't expect you to give up. Shots on goal is a stat everyone looks at but it is highly overrated. Scoring chances however isn't overrated and tells the story mostly and I guess thats where I was going with it in that Miami had a 5-0 advantage after 1 and a 9-3 advantage after two. So I would argue they were rewarded by being up 2-0 and having a goaltender playing well to keep them in the game. Its a tough match up when these two play, but Miami was able to wear down OSU in the third with their ability to roll 4 lines. Miami has done this multiple times this year in the third period so I wasn't surprised. But for me Carlson played great and OSU's ability to stick around and pounce when they go the chance where impressive. Things to build on for sure.
Ok well atleast you clarified. I wouldn't expect you to give up. Shots on goal is a stat everyone looks at but it is highly overrated. Scoring chances however isn't overrated and tells the story mostly and I guess thats where I was going with it in that Miami had a 5-0 advantage after 1 and a 9-3 advantage after two. So I would argue they were rewarded by being up 2-0 and having a goaltender playing well to keep them in the game. Its a tough match up when these two play, but Miami was able to wear down OSU in the third with their ability to roll 4 lines. Miami has done this multiple times this year in the third period so I wasn't surprised. But for me Carlson played great and OSU's ability to stick around and pounce when they go the chance where impressive. Things to build on for sure.
redhawkman10
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
HAHAHA classic, another one of the funniest things I have seen on here. Tic's is a little better though, but that is up there!
I can't see the 3rd goalie getting any playing time this year with the two we have, unless there is an injury. Just another
" STRANGE "
HAHAHA classic, another one of the funniest things I have seen on here. Tic's is a little better though, but that is up there!
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
I'm new to this forum. I've tried to get some hockey talk going on other OSU message boards, but it's all about football and basketball on those boards so I decided to sign up for USCHO.com. Just judging by some of the posts I can tell that some of you know more about hockey than I do. As for the "John Markell Farewell Tour," I think Markell has to go. I realize we have decent recruiting classes coming in, but what else is new? John Markell normally does bring in good recruiting classes. The problem is, he doesn't develop those talented players into a championship-caliber hockey club. The track record bears that out. He can't live on the 1998 Frozen Four forever. It's time to bring in someone new that will take this program to the next level. John Markell is a nice guy and the players go to class and graduate. However, if Gene Smith really expects all our programs to be championship-caliber, he needs to pull the plug on the current staff and bring in someone else. I've gotten weary of watching a second or third-tier, less-than-mediocre hockey program. This program is a sleeping giant in hockey. It's time for a change!
I'm new to this forum. I've tried to get some hockey talk going on other OSU message boards, but it's all about football and basketball on those boards so I decided to sign up for USCHO.com. Just judging by some of the posts I can tell that some of you know more about hockey than I do. As for the "John Markell Farewell Tour," I think Markell has to go. I realize we have decent recruiting classes coming in, but what else is new? John Markell normally does bring in good recruiting classes. The problem is, he doesn't develop those talented players into a championship-caliber hockey club. The track record bears that out. He can't live on the 1998 Frozen Four forever. It's time to bring in someone new that will take this program to the next level. John Markell is a nice guy and the players go to class and graduate. However, if Gene Smith really expects all our programs to be championship-caliber, he needs to pull the plug on the current staff and bring in someone else. I've gotten weary of watching a second or third-tier, less-than-mediocre hockey program. This program is a sleeping giant in hockey. It's time for a change!
redhawkman10
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Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
The problem is (and I don't blame you because you are hockey fans) Gene Smith doesn't care as much about Hockey as you guys would like. Its the 3rd maybe 4th sport on campus behind Football, Basketball, and maybe even Womens Basketball. You have a nice facility, not the greatest for hockey, but its nice. You have a good school and are funded well. For me they aren't going to pump a lot more into the hockey program because it is overshadowed by football and basketball which overlap the hockey season. Until the athletic department puts more into it like the other big ten schools it won't change and I don't see them firing markell because of that. Sure there will be years when OSU makes a splash but Markell has brought them out of the basement where they were most of the 90's and got them a new facility. From an outsiders perspective, I don't see much more he can do. IMO it seems like the university is happy with a mediocre competitive hockey program that shows splashes of brilliance.
I wish you all the best though and the more programs that are committed to hockey the better for the CCHA.
I'm new to this forum. I've tried to get some hockey talk going on other OSU message boards, but it's all about football and basketball on those boards so I decided to sign up for USCHO.com. Just judging by some of the posts I can tell that some of you know more about hockey than I do. As for the "John Markell Farewell Tour," I think Markell has to go. I realize we have decent recruiting classes coming in, but what else is new? John Markell normally does bring in good recruiting classes. The problem is, he doesn't develop those talented players into a championship-caliber hockey club. The track record bears that out. He can't live on the 1998 Frozen Four forever. It's time to bring in someone new that will take this program to the next level. John Markell is a nice guy and the players go to class and graduate. However, if Gene Smith really expects all our programs to be championship-caliber, he needs to pull the plug on the current staff and bring in someone else. I've gotten weary of watching a second or third-tier, less-than-mediocre hockey program. This program is a sleeping giant in hockey. It's time for a change!
The problem is (and I don't blame you because you are hockey fans) Gene Smith doesn't care as much about Hockey as you guys would like. Its the 3rd maybe 4th sport on campus behind Football, Basketball, and maybe even Womens Basketball. You have a nice facility, not the greatest for hockey, but its nice. You have a good school and are funded well. For me they aren't going to pump a lot more into the hockey program because it is overshadowed by football and basketball which overlap the hockey season. Until the athletic department puts more into it like the other big ten schools it won't change and I don't see them firing markell because of that. Sure there will be years when OSU makes a splash but Markell has brought them out of the basement where they were most of the 90's and got them a new facility. From an outsiders perspective, I don't see much more he can do. IMO it seems like the university is happy with a mediocre competitive hockey program that shows splashes of brilliance.
I wish you all the best though and the more programs that are committed to hockey the better for the CCHA.
redhawkman10
Behind the bench
Re: Ohio State U. ( 2009-2010 )
BTW welcome to the board.
I'm new to this forum. I've tried to get some hockey talk going on other OSU message boards, but it's all about football and basketball on those boards so I decided to sign up for USCHO.com. Just judging by some of the posts I can tell that some of you know more about hockey than I do. As for the "John Markell Farewell Tour," I think Markell has to go. I realize we have decent recruiting classes coming in, but what else is new? John Markell normally does bring in good recruiting classes. The problem is, he doesn't develop those talented players into a championship-caliber hockey club. The track record bears that out. He can't live on the 1998 Frozen Four forever. It's time to bring in someone new that will take this program to the next level. John Markell is a nice guy and the players go to class and graduate. However, if Gene Smith really expects all our programs to be championship-caliber, he needs to pull the plug on the current staff and bring in someone else. I've gotten weary of watching a second or third-tier, less-than-mediocre hockey program. This program is a sleeping giant in hockey. It's time for a change!
BTW welcome to the board.
Brewmaster
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Like Deja Vu All Over Again
Like Deja Vu All Over Again
Welcome, osualum86, to USCHO. And welcome, too, to the topic many of us love to hate: John Markell.
I'm not sure I agree with our friend from that school down south who suggests that, "the university is happy with a mediocre competitive hockey program that shows splashes of brilliance." If that were the case, I think we would've seen a contract extension to Markell after returning to the NCAAs last season. Interestingly, instead, Gene Smith has allowed contract renewal to hang over him like the sword of Damocles.
Some of us went into the season with high optimism. Look at all those returning players. Think of the experience and skill that is coming back. Even Markell himself salivated over a lineup with so many juniors because, he claimed, "typically, that is when players really 'pop.'"
But the more cynical of us remember how we'd seen this movie before. I immediately thought Markell meant "pop" as in a "balloon." Then, right before the season started, Assistant Coach Lammers left for Colorado College (anyone noticed how well they're doing, BTW?). Palmer bolted (and, FYI, was recently called back up to Rockford). Rudasill was shown the door. Things were going bump in the night. Again.
And our new hockey sweaters with the big scarlet "O" began to look more and more like a zero.
It was if the public, too, wasn't as buying into it anymore either. Attendance plummeted. The Michigan series failed to draw bodies in. You could've counted the number of students in the "O Block" for the Miami game on two hands. Symbolically, perhaps, only the alumni band showed up for that one.
And so we close the first half of the season with the hockey Bucks possessing the third-most losses in the league. With a defensive corps which seems to alternate between taking bad penalties and hanging their goaltenders out to dry. With an offensive strategy based on long breakout passes and/or dump-and-chase (which a friend of mine via Ken Hitchcock calls it "chip-and-dip") turnovers.
Meanwhile, Markell watches, clutching a notepad with....what? Post-game pizza orders? Lottery numbers? Career websites?
Enough.
Like Deja Vu All Over Again
I'm new to this forum. I've tried to get some hockey talk going on other OSU message boards, but it's all about football and basketball on those boards so I decided to sign up for USCHO.com. Just judging by some of the posts I can tell that some of you know more about hockey than I do. As for the "John Markell Farewell Tour," I think Markell has to go. I realize we have decent recruiting classes coming in, but what else is new? John Markell normally does bring in good recruiting classes. The problem is, he doesn't develop those talented players into a championship-caliber hockey club. The track record bears that out. He can't live on the 1998 Frozen Four forever. It's time to bring in someone new that will take this program to the next level. John Markell is a nice guy and the players go to class and graduate. However, if Gene Smith really expects all our programs to be championship-caliber, he needs to pull the plug on the current staff and bring in someone else. I've gotten weary of watching a second or third-tier, less-than-mediocre hockey program. This program is a sleeping giant in hockey. It's time for a change!
Welcome, osualum86, to USCHO. And welcome, too, to the topic many of us love to hate: John Markell.
I'm not sure I agree with our friend from that school down south who suggests that, "the university is happy with a mediocre competitive hockey program that shows splashes of brilliance." If that were the case, I think we would've seen a contract extension to Markell after returning to the NCAAs last season. Interestingly, instead, Gene Smith has allowed contract renewal to hang over him like the sword of Damocles.
Some of us went into the season with high optimism. Look at all those returning players. Think of the experience and skill that is coming back. Even Markell himself salivated over a lineup with so many juniors because, he claimed, "typically, that is when players really 'pop.'"
But the more cynical of us remember how we'd seen this movie before. I immediately thought Markell meant "pop" as in a "balloon." Then, right before the season started, Assistant Coach Lammers left for Colorado College (anyone noticed how well they're doing, BTW?). Palmer bolted (and, FYI, was recently called back up to Rockford). Rudasill was shown the door. Things were going bump in the night. Again.
And our new hockey sweaters with the big scarlet "O" began to look more and more like a zero.
It was if the public, too, wasn't as buying into it anymore either. Attendance plummeted. The Michigan series failed to draw bodies in. You could've counted the number of students in the "O Block" for the Miami game on two hands. Symbolically, perhaps, only the alumni band showed up for that one.
And so we close the first half of the season with the hockey Bucks possessing the third-most losses in the league. With a defensive corps which seems to alternate between taking bad penalties and hanging their goaltenders out to dry. With an offensive strategy based on long breakout passes and/or dump-and-chase (which a friend of mine via Ken Hitchcock calls it "chip-and-dip") turnovers.
Meanwhile, Markell watches, clutching a notepad with....what? Post-game pizza orders? Lottery numbers? Career websites?
Enough.
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