Blackhawk56
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This last 2 or so months may be the first time following Buckeye hockey where I'm this speechless. I got nothing.
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Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
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MGoBlueHockey
Wolverine Devotee
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Biggest collapse in college hockey history. I really have never seen anything like this.
Biggest collapse in college hockey history. I really have never seen anything like this.
klbaum1077
Registered User
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
I feel the exact same way. A season that began with so much promise ended with a huge thud.
This last 2 or so months may be the first time following Buckeye hockey where I'm this speechless. I got nothing.
I feel the exact same way. A season that began with so much promise ended with a huge thud.
Blackhawk56
Registered User
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Curious what everyone thinks as far as potential early departures. I'm not really thinking anyone is on the way out, but then again I never thought my trip to Pittsburgh on 12/30 would be the last time I'd see this team win in person.
Curious what everyone thinks as far as potential early departures. I'm not really thinking anyone is on the way out, but then again I never thought my trip to Pittsburgh on 12/30 would be the last time I'd see this team win in person.
klbaum1077
Registered User
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
I dont see anyone leaving this year for sure.
Curious what everyone thinks as far as potential early departures. I'm not really thinking anyone is on the way out, but then again I never thought my trip to Pittsburgh on 12/30 would be the last time I'd see this team win in person.
I dont see anyone leaving this year for sure.
klbaum1077
Registered User
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Looking towards next years schedule if the league follows suit with the rotating home and away the schedule should look like this
Home
ND
Western
Away
Ferris
Northern
Alaska
Home and Away
Michigan
Michigan State
Miami(at least this should be a H/H)
As for the 4th home and home i think it should be BG just because it would give ohio state, Miami and BG a 4 game series against each other in the last go around for this league. I left lake state out of the schedule because im not sure what they will do with them. IF BG is the 4th home and home then i think ohio state will travel up to Lake St. because 2 years ago they came down to columbus in the only meeting of the regular season.
Looking towards next years schedule if the league follows suit with the rotating home and away the schedule should look like this
Home
ND
Western
Away
Ferris
Northern
Alaska
Home and Away
Michigan
Michigan State
Miami(at least this should be a H/H)
As for the 4th home and home i think it should be BG just because it would give ohio state, Miami and BG a 4 game series against each other in the last go around for this league. I left lake state out of the schedule because im not sure what they will do with them. IF BG is the 4th home and home then i think ohio state will travel up to Lake St. because 2 years ago they came down to columbus in the only meeting of the regular season.
Hockeybuckeye
Well-known member
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Considering how the fans feel stung by this I'm sure it doesn't even come close to how the team feels. Whoever steps up to the plate to be the next leaders of this team will probably make this years off season conditioning and practice an effort that would challenge Hercules. SUCCESS COMES FROM ADVERSITY!
Considering how the fans feel stung by this I'm sure it doesn't even come close to how the team feels. Whoever steps up to the plate to be the next leaders of this team will probably make this years off season conditioning and practice an effort that would challenge Hercules. SUCCESS COMES FROM ADVERSITY!
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Couldn't agree more with the title of this thread or your assessment of the offseason. If this past season's second half meltdown doesn't motivate these guys to work their butts of in the offseason and make sure this doesn't happen again, nothing will. I sincerely hope the team actually feels more stung by this than us fans. If they don't it will be groundhog day next season with the same second half meltdown.
Considering how the fans feel stung by this I'm sure it doesn't even come close to how the team feels. Whoever steps up to the plate to be the next leaders of this team will probably make this years off season conditioning and practice an effort that would challenge Hercules. SUCCESS COMES FROM ADVERSITY!
Couldn't agree more with the title of this thread or your assessment of the offseason. If this past season's second half meltdown doesn't motivate these guys to work their butts of in the offseason and make sure this doesn't happen again, nothing will. I sincerely hope the team actually feels more stung by this than us fans. If they don't it will be groundhog day next season with the same second half meltdown.
Hockeybuckeye
Well-known member
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
The guys from what coach said had a good summer of hard work but two points to consider. One, 12 of them never played collegiately before, second, the coaches can't work with them until about 2 weeks prior to the first game so they had no time to learn the system direcly from Oz and get correction from him.Couldn't agree more with the title of this thread or your assessment of the offseason. If this past season's second half meltdown doesn't motivate these guys to work their butts of in the offseason and make sure this doesn't happen again, nothing will. I sincerely hope the team actually feels more stung by this than us fans. If they don't it will be groundhog day next season with the same second half meltdown.
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Guess we'll see what happens next season. We won't be able use the young team excuse next year with 24 of the 28 guys being sophomores, juniors, or seniors.
The guys from what coach said had a good summer of hard work but two points to consider. One, 12 of them never played collegiately before, second, the coaches can't work with them until about 2 weeks prior to the first game so they had no time to learn the system direcly from Oz and get correction from him.
Guess we'll see what happens next season. We won't be able use the young team excuse next year with 24 of the 28 guys being sophomores, juniors, or seniors.
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
As frustrating (and agonizing) as the second half of the season was to watch, I don't think the average 'fan' posting on this board has a clue as to how close this team really was to duplicating the first half of the season, final result notwithstanding (they were a lot closer that most give them credit for). The coaching staff, who are not easily satisfied (just ask anyone who has played for or coached with Oz previously), never gave any indication that the team was folding, regressing, not putting forth adequate effort, lacked in leadership, or 'collapsed' as so many on here assert. They did not rise above adversity to the level they or the coaching staff hoped for or, perhaps, expected, but not for lack of effort, staying positive, working hard, and playing team hockey. It was not enough, which sucks, but it is what it is. The majority of this team were (and are still) kids. They will be better next year, the coaching staff will be better next year, there are new, talented recruits coming in next year. The doom and gloom and negativity is not warranted IMHO. Disappointment, sure, but come on, the Chicken Littles on here need to take a Valium or something.
As frustrating (and agonizing) as the second half of the season was to watch, I don't think the average 'fan' posting on this board has a clue as to how close this team really was to duplicating the first half of the season, final result notwithstanding (they were a lot closer that most give them credit for). The coaching staff, who are not easily satisfied (just ask anyone who has played for or coached with Oz previously), never gave any indication that the team was folding, regressing, not putting forth adequate effort, lacked in leadership, or 'collapsed' as so many on here assert. They did not rise above adversity to the level they or the coaching staff hoped for or, perhaps, expected, but not for lack of effort, staying positive, working hard, and playing team hockey. It was not enough, which sucks, but it is what it is. The majority of this team were (and are still) kids. They will be better next year, the coaching staff will be better next year, there are new, talented recruits coming in next year. The doom and gloom and negativity is not warranted IMHO. Disappointment, sure, but come on, the Chicken Littles on here need to take a Valium or something.
Hockeybuckeye
Well-known member
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Agreed on no excuses next season. Coach in his interviews prior to the break expressed surprise that they were ahead of the coaching staff's expectations on what they thought they had as team coming into this season but he was also cautious on not making any promises or predictions. He was always about the "One game at a time". It was clear he didn't get caught up in the fevor that many of us were experiencing. Building up a team takes time and you just can't let your hopes run away with you.
Agreed on no excuses next season. Coach in his interviews prior to the break expressed surprise that they were ahead of the coaching staff's expectations on what they thought they had as team coming into this season but he was also cautious on not making any promises or predictions. He was always about the "One game at a time". It was clear he didn't get caught up in the fevor that many of us were experiencing. Building up a team takes time and you just can't let your hopes run away with you.
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Arpod, we are both obviously OSU Hockey fans, so we can just agree to disagree on this one. To me, 1-11-4 = collapse/meltdown/regression or however one wants to characterize it. I have used the term regression because there is no such thing as staying the same (stagnancy) in sports. A team either gets better or goes in the other direction, and clearly, OSU Hockey went in the wrong direction in the second half. I call that regression. You have a different opinion on that, and that is fine. Here's hoping we don't see a 1-11-4 second half next season. However it happened, or however it is characterized, it imploded what was once a promising season.
As frustrating (and agonizing) as the second half of the season was to watch, I don't think the average 'fan' posting on this board has a clue as to how close this team really was to duplicating the first half of the season, final result notwithstanding (they were a lot closer that most give them credit for). The coaching staff, who are not easily satisfied (just ask anyone who has played for or coached with Oz previously), never gave any indication that the team was folding, regressing, not putting forth adequate effort, lacked in leadership, or 'collapsed' as so many on here assert. They did not rise above adversity to the level they or the coaching staff hoped for or, perhaps, expected, but not for lack of effort, staying positive, working hard, and playing team hockey. It was not enough, which sucks, but it is what it is. The majority of this team were (and are still) kids. They will be better next year, the coaching staff will be better next year, there are new, talented recruits coming in next year. The doom and gloom and negativity is not warranted IMHO. Disappointment, sure, but come on, the Chicken Littles on here need to take a Valium or something.
Arpod, we are both obviously OSU Hockey fans, so we can just agree to disagree on this one. To me, 1-11-4 = collapse/meltdown/regression or however one wants to characterize it. I have used the term regression because there is no such thing as staying the same (stagnancy) in sports. A team either gets better or goes in the other direction, and clearly, OSU Hockey went in the wrong direction in the second half. I call that regression. You have a different opinion on that, and that is fine. Here's hoping we don't see a 1-11-4 second half next season. However it happened, or however it is characterized, it imploded what was once a promising season.
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Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
I think another thing that is maybe clouding our judgment is watching other programs in our league get it done with new coaches. Western Michigan just won the Mason Cup with a first-year coach. Michigan State is in the NCAA Tournament with a first-year coach. Bowling Green made it to the Joe with a second-year coach, and maybe BG isn't the best example since they finished last in the league in the regular season, but clearly they improved as the season went on, which is what you want to see with your program. Our program appeared to get worse as the season went on.
I think another thing that is maybe clouding our judgment is watching other programs in our league get it done with new coaches. Western Michigan just won the Mason Cup with a first-year coach. Michigan State is in the NCAA Tournament with a first-year coach. Bowling Green made it to the Joe with a second-year coach, and maybe BG isn't the best example since they finished last in the league in the regular season, but clearly they improved as the season went on, which is what you want to see with your program. Our program appeared to get worse as the season went on.
Draighlicht
New member
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Sorry, but I have trouble buying the 'youth' excuse. If the the two halves of the season were reversed that would validify the youth excuse. Other teams stepped up and got better in the second half or the playoffs - this one deteriorated in record fashion. You don't get points for being competitive - you get points for winning and they didn't win.
So --- I'm disappointed and frustrated but I will still be there for the exhibition game and first home series come October.
I hope that having to live with this collapse over a summer - and watching a bunch of teams they beat in the first half in the tournament will be enough to correct the problem. Sadly we won't know until the end of February 2013 whether they learned.
Sorry, but I have trouble buying the 'youth' excuse. If the the two halves of the season were reversed that would validify the youth excuse. Other teams stepped up and got better in the second half or the playoffs - this one deteriorated in record fashion. You don't get points for being competitive - you get points for winning and they didn't win.
So --- I'm disappointed and frustrated but I will still be there for the exhibition game and first home series come October.
I hope that having to live with this collapse over a summer - and watching a bunch of teams they beat in the first half in the tournament will be enough to correct the problem. Sadly we won't know until the end of February 2013 whether they learned.
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
This is pretty much how I feel about this season. I've never bought into the freshman excuse either. Bowling Green had nine freshmen this season. They improved as the season went on and ended up winning two series on the road against higher seeds to make it to the Joe. Having said all this and having done some venting about how this season played out, I will be there next season to support this program. As for having to live with this collapse, there's not a program in the country that should be more motivated to succeed than Ohio State's going into the 2012-13 season.
Sorry, but I have trouble buying the 'youth' excuse. If the the two halves of the season were reversed that would validify the youth excuse. Other teams stepped up and got better in the second half or the playoffs - this one deteriorated in record fashion. You don't get points for being competitive - you get points for winning and they didn't win.
So --- I'm disappointed and frustrated but I will still be there for the exhibition game and first home series come October.
I hope that having to live with this collapse over a summer - and watching a bunch of teams they beat in the first half in the tournament will be enough to correct the problem. Sadly we won't know until the end of February 2013 whether they learned.
This is pretty much how I feel about this season. I've never bought into the freshman excuse either. Bowling Green had nine freshmen this season. They improved as the season went on and ended up winning two series on the road against higher seeds to make it to the Joe. Having said all this and having done some venting about how this season played out, I will be there next season to support this program. As for having to live with this collapse, there's not a program in the country that should be more motivated to succeed than Ohio State's going into the 2012-13 season.
So --- I'm disappointed and frustrated but I will still be there for the exhibition game and first home series come October.
Crazy to think that will be starting the last year of the ccha
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Mcfarljd, agreed. The CCHA has been a great hockey conference for a long time. It's going to be a bittersweet ending next season. I am just happy that all the teams have found new conference homes and it doesn't appear that there will be any attrition (no one dropping their programs). That's the best thing, IMHO.
Crazy to think that will be starting the last year of the ccha
Mcfarljd, agreed. The CCHA has been a great hockey conference for a long time. It's going to be a bittersweet ending next season. I am just happy that all the teams have found new conference homes and it doesn't appear that there will be any attrition (no one dropping their programs). That's the best thing, IMHO.
Hockeybuckeye
Well-known member
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
Anyone consider that we may have simply been more cohesive earlier than the other teams and as the season progressed the other teams got much better, peaked and the competion more stiff?
Anyone consider that we may have simply been more cohesive earlier than the other teams and as the season progressed the other teams got much better, peaked and the competion more stiff?
klbaum1077
Registered User
Re: Ohio State Offseason 2012: In like a lion, out like a lamb.
As i said earlier i hope the league would give the 3 ohio schools a home and away series against each other this coming year.
Crazy to think that will be starting the last year of the ccha
As i said earlier i hope the league would give the 3 ohio schools a home and away series against each other this coming year.