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Ohio State Buckeyes 2022-2023 ... The Drive For Duluth

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I think 6-7K is about right for the men. The Schott is always available if the AD thinks it can get a 10K crowd out for the weekend. When the program sucks, it still averages around 4K, so a 6500 seat arena wouldn't look empty in the worst of years.

For the women, I think 2500‐3000 hits the sweet spot.

Barring a real commitment on the part of a new AD, I guess I'd settled for just the new women's rink. Ohio State's whale donors generally don't focus on the athletic doeartment at all historically, so I don’t ever see a Pegula dropping out of the sky for us.
 
For the women, I think 2500‐3000 hits the sweet spot.

Minnesota's Ridder Arena is listed at 3400 capacity. Being THE Ohio State University we don't want to be outdone. I'd say 4000 to guarantee hosting tournaments. If our coach keeps doing what she does who knows how great our attendance can become? Learn from history, they said we'll never fill the Horseshoe when it was built. It's much easier to go big initially then realize too late down the road it's too small! I would rather have empty seats with a larger arena so no one is turned away at the door.
 
Minnesota's Ridder Arena is listed at 3400 capacity. Being THE Ohio State University we don't want to be outdone. I'd say 4000 to guarantee hosting tournaments.
Upfront, I could definitely be excited about a Women's Hockey rink with 4,000 seats. But Eddie Schorr's 2,500 to 3,000 range would be better in almost every respect. To me, those extra 1,000+ seats would ramp up construction costs, yet give us something that doesn't fit as well. Don't want to be outdone?? Let's say your T-Shirt size is large. Do you buy a 2XL because you don't want to be outdone? I say no; you buy the shirt that fits.

If our coach keeps doing what she does who knows how great our attendance can become? Learn from history, they said we'll never fill the Horseshoe when it was built.
I'm familiar with that history. And trust me, I tell anyone who will listen how proud I am of "The House That Harley Built." When I show out-of-town visitors around, my boast is that Ohio Stadium is "One of America's Great Sports Places." Trouble is, it's not the relevant history.

Football is absolutely enormous in the State of Ohio. The NFL was born here; the Football Hall of Fame is here. Buckeye Football wins at an astonishing rate. I'll grant you that many people back in the 1920's didn't grasp Football's upside potential.

I'm also very proud of the progress the Hockey community has made in the decades that I've lived in Columbus. And I do believe that hockey will continue to grow here. But growth at Football proportions? I simply don't buy it. That's a pipe dream, and it would be a mistake to determine hockey seating capacity based on a pipe dream.

Here's some history for you. Your position is hauntingly familiar to many comments made when the Schott was being planned with Men's Hockey in mind. "We're Ohio State. We'll fill it. The normal rules don't apply to us." Uh-huh. When the Schott was the shiny new toy, having the extra capacity was occasionally very helpful. After a few seasons, when we settled into a new normal pattern, it was helpful for one particular opponent. And sometimes not even that.

The most relevant history is what the other Women's D-1 Hockey schools have experienced.

It's much easier to go big initially then realize too late down the road it's too small!
Designing a new facility that could easily be expanded would be a good idea. Maybe start out with seating in a horseshoe design, then fill in the open end later if it proves to be necessary. That's essentially what Football did, if we must analogize to Football.

I would rather have empty seats with a larger arena so no one is turned away at the door.
I do feel bad that some people have been turned away. But the current situation is a perfect storm. Defending National Champs/Free Tickets/Rink Too Small. If we had seating capacity that was even in the middle of the D-1 pack, no one's being turned away. If we had even a nominal charge for tickets -- say $3 to $5 -- anyone who truly cared about a game could guarantee their spot by buying in advance.

For my part, I would rather turn a few people away during a perfect storm, than build a facility that doesn't fit the program.

Something to Consider: You really ought to check out a Wrestling Meet or a Volleyball Match @ Covelli. The athletes, coaches and fans all love it. And a big reason is the fact that the building is appropriately sized.


I appreciate this conversation. And if the disagreement boils down to 2,500 vs. 4,000 seats, we're not all that far apart.
 
I respect your opinion Mr.PGB and we've had many similar discussions on the size of a future men's arena but I counter cost should not be a factor, Ohio State can easily come up with adequate funds for any project. I think we should anticipate our possible future needs and not just our current ones when you're going to allot many millions on a permanent structure that should stand for many decades. We all have our opinions and that's what's great about forum that we can share and discuss them.
 
I respect your opinion Mr.PGB and we've had many similar discussions on the size of a future men's arena but I counter cost should not be a factor, Ohio State can easily come up with adequate funds for any project. I think we should anticipate our possible future needs and not just our current ones when you're going to allot many millions on a permanent structure that should stand for many decades. We all have our opinions and that's what's great about forum that we can share and discuss them.

Being good stewards of financial resources is inherently positive, regardless of ability to pay. On the $$, I'll leave it at that.

I'll be a little more specific on the relevant history for seating capacity. We have over two decades of attendance history for both the Final Face-Off & The Women's Frozen Four. At some point, I'd like to assemble those numbers and take a serious look. I'd also like to see year-by-year attendance numbers for D-1 Women's Hockey @ Minnesota & Wisconsin. For a fuller picture, it would be great to add UMD & Clarkson to the mix. Guess what we have in common with those four programs! (winking emoticon here)

I believe that those numbers would yield a fairly clear picture of potential attendance for the foreseeable future. Now I was hoping this would be more of an off-season project. But if someone has easy access to some of those numbers, please post.
 
Being good stewards of financial resources is inherently positive, regardless of ability to pay. On the $$, I'll leave it at that.

I'll be a little more specific on the relevant history for seating capacity. We have over two decades of attendance history for both the Final Face-Off & The Women's Frozen Four. At some point, I'd like to assemble those numbers and take a serious look. I'd also like to see year-by-year attendance numbers for D-1 Women's Hockey @ Minnesota & Wisconsin. For a fuller picture, it would be great to add UMD & Clarkson to the mix. Guess what we have in common with those four programs! (winking emoticon here)

I believe that those numbers would yield a fairly clear picture of potential attendance for the foreseeable future. Now I was hoping this would be more of an off-season project. But if someone has easy access to some of those numbers, please post.

I happened to be looking at an article on Saturday regarding the attendance numbers for Wisconsin's 2020 "Fill The Bowl" that lists the 'tickets distributed' and 'tickets scanned' (that is, people actually in the building) for each home game that season. I know there are similar such articles for other seasons. Included is a chart for prior years, but not game-by-game. Note that some of the yearly numbers are 'skewed' by "Fill The Bowl" events.

(Interesting note that I had not known: because UW women's games are not assigned seats and there are always a significant number of 'no-shows', the UW athletic dept actually distributes more tickets than the arena actually holds! When they announce an attendance, they always announce 'only' the stated capacity. But they distribute a larger number - 'distribute' being the word used instead of sold because student tickets (and maybe others?) are free?).)

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/colle...ml?mode=nowapp

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The article for 2021-2022
https://journaltimes.com/sports/coll...1098dc9bd.html
 
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My sweet spot would be 3,000 - 4,000 seats, but I don't think we are going to get that. I am not going to be disappointed if it is not as big as Ridder. Regardless of how many seats there are, it will be state of the art, just as nice as Ridder, LaBahn, or the new arena St. Thomas is going to build. My lower-end number is based on the desire to host events like the Frozen Four, not to mention the IIHF Women's World Championships. Would love to see a gold medal game between USA and Canada in my backyard. The closest I have come to that was a few hours up the road in Plymouth, MI, in 2017.

I love scrolling through here, though, and reading all the takes on this. I understand the point of view of Pgb of not building too big. I actually had a convo with one of our assistant coaches. They obviously want a new facility, but, and this is key, they do not want to lose the home ice atmosphere that we have at the OSU Ice Rink with packed stands full of loud, energetic fans. Pgb, correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is what you are getting at when you say build the new rink accordingly.

I also understand Hockeybuckeye's point of view that we should have some foresight and build a rink with a larger capacity than what we have now, or at least something that will allow for expansion in the future. I agree with Pgb that Women's Hockey will not necessarily have the exact same upward trajectory as Football, but clearly, there is an upward trajectory there, and we have no idea where things will be in ten to twenty years. We may be selling out a 3,000 - 4,000 seat arena in twenty years. I was curious so I went back to the box scores for our games at Ridder this past weekend to check the attendance; 2,848 for Friday night's game and 2,865 for Saturday afternoon's game.

At this point, I will probably be fine with something that seats 1,500 - 2,000. I have already mentioned my magic number of 3,000 - 4,000 seats, but I do like the raucous atmosphere of the OSU Ice Rink and do not want to lose that in a new arena. I am to the point now where I am, like, "Just build it already." The time is now. This program has waited long enough. They are National Champions. A new arena for them is way overdue, IMHO. Great discussion and points of view from everyone.
 
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Along the same lines, the attendance numbers at other arenas that sell season tickets may be inflated from the actual number of people there for any given game. The number that really jumps out to me is the one for UMD, where they list an average attendance of just over 1,100 about every single year. I’ve been to about 20 games at Amsoil over the last several years and I would estimate that the typical number of people in the seats for any given game has been more like half that.

From what I’ve seen, Wisconsin seems to be unique in terms of their sustained attendance by the general public. I think the situation was the same for the Gophers several years ago but more recently it seems the number of people in the building is down except for the marquee matchups (again, season ticket sales may inflate the reported numbers for the other games). One advantage that the Gophers have over most other teams is that there may be a half dozen or more girls youth teams and their parents attending any given game. With that in mind, I think the Buckeyes may want to target around 2,500 seats so they can exceed Labahn while not getting concerned about beating out “The State of Hockey” for a dedicated women’s arena. If I had a vote, I would suggest they look at the Duluth Heritage Center for inspiration. It’s a beautiful rink and adding a couple more row of seats would probably create the desired capacity.
 
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For some context as to why the Yuckeye arena situation should not be looked at in supposed competition with what the Tunnelers have (or what the Tommy Bahama's will be getting) is highlighted by looking at the arena history from the below link (click on the arenas tab in the top menu to see the lengthy list). That history and community involvement is just something that almost all the other states will not be able to replicate.

https://history.vintagemnhockey.com/
 
My sweet spot would be 3,000 - 4,000 seats, but I don't think we are going to get that. I am not going to be disappointed if it is not as big as Ridder. Regardless of how many seats there are, it will be state of the art, just as nice as Ridder, LaBahn, or the new arena St. Thomas is going to build. My lower-end number is based on the desire to host events like the Frozen Four, not to mention the IIHF Women's World Championships. Would love to see a gold medal game between USA and Canada in my backyard. The closest I have come to that was a few hours up the road in Plymouth, MI, in 2017.
Columbus has hosted a USA/Canada game. The venue was Nationwide Arena. (Downtown Home of the CBJ) I'm guessing that was about 15 years ago. Regardless of the exact year, it was part of an exhibition tour in the run-up to tournament competition.


I love scrolling through here, though, and reading all the takes on this. I understand the point of view of Pgb of not building too big. I actually had a convo with one of our assistant coaches. They obviously want a new facility, but, and this is key, they do not want to lose the home ice atmosphere that we have at the OSU Ice Rink with packed stands full of loud, energetic fans. Pgb, correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is what you are getting at when you say build the new rink accordingly.
I haven't discussed this subject with any of the coaches, but it's good to hear that I've wandered onto their wavelength. And yes, near sellouts with loud, energetic fans is exactly what I'm getting at. And the coaches are probably the ones best equipped to say what the magic number of seats is.

I also understand Hockeybuckeye's point of view that we should have some foresight and build a rink with a larger capacity than what we have now, or at least something that will allow for expansion in the future. I agree with Pgb that Women's Hockey will not necessarily have the exact same upward trajectory as Football, but clearly, there is an upward trajectory there, and we have no idea where things will be in ten to twenty years. We may be selling out a 3,000 - 4,000 seat arena in twenty years.
I'll post some numbers tonight. As a preview, I'll say that attendance numbers for the most relevant teams have been pretty stable over the last 10 years. As opposed to any across-the-board upward trend. Naturally OSU has an upward trend, because the fantastic on-ice success. But in the long term, peaks and valleys related to on-ice performance will tend to cancel out.

Routinely drawing 4,000 fans for regular season Women's Hockey is wonderfully appealing fantasy. Unfortunately for the foreseeable future, I believe it's just that -- a fantasy. But what if the fantasy comes true in 20 years? We can have our caregivers wheel us over to the Varsity Club and we'll lead the celebration!

By the way, thanks much to ARM, robertearle & MinnOTB for the links & info. Everything was spot-on relevant to the questions I'm trying to answer. Also enjoyed FHF's Arena List.

I was curious so I went back to the box scores for our games at Ridder this past weekend to check the attendance; 2,848 for Friday night's game and 2,865 for Saturday afternoon's game.
For the biggest series of the regular season. On prime dates, in a hockey hotbed, with no major conflicts to the best of my knowledge. OK, it's just two data points. But they are consistent with my position that anything over 3,000 seats is a mistake.

At this point, I will probably be fine with something that seats 1,500 - 2,000. I have already mentioned my magic number of 3,000 - 4,000 seats, but I do like the raucous atmosphere of the OSU Ice Rink and do not want to lose that in a new arena. I am to the point now where I am, like, "Just build it already." The time is now. This program has waited long enough. They are National Champions. A new arena for them is way overdue, IMHO. Great discussion and points of view from everyone.
Well put. Appreciate your flexibility, and your willingness to consider the advantages of a smaller building.

More tonight.
 
Unsolicited advise, but I'd recommend building a new arena right, and not being afraid to aim a bit higher. I think that concourse level seating at Ridder is listed at 3,100; the other 300 are supposedly upstairs at club level and the suites. For tournaments, much of that is used up by media, support staff, and league personnel.

I've never watched a game in Ridder and thought, "This place is too big." There were years where I doubted that there were more than 300 people there for a WCHA quarterfinal, especially when the weather was bad and the game wasn't included in the season-ticket package. Youth teams are a big part of the attendance at GWH games, and it is always more challenging to fill the place for something that isn't on the schedule, because the youth teams don't attend. The feeling wasn't that there were too many seats; there were too few people, and removing any number of seats wouldn't have changed that. In any case, you don't build your rink for those few dates that are near the bottom of your average.

Minnesota crowds in the range of 1,800 - 2,200 are fairly common. Would it improve the atmosphere to have a building with a capacity of 2,400 or fewer for such games? Maybe by a little, say five percent (if it is possible to quantify "atmosphere.") However, in order to achieve that theoretical gain, you have to sacrifice adding another 1,000 people for the games that matter most.

Learn from what others have done, what's worked and what hasn't. If you build it with a small capacity, don't compound the problem by assuming that the average fan weighs 100 pounds and expect that they can fit on 16" of bench.

Most of the faults of Ridder involve something being planned too low rather than too high. Not enough restroom capacity, especially for women. Inadequate concessions. The concourse is too narrow in places, mostly by the concession areas, although not as bad as somewhere like the old DECC. The sightlines aren't great, as there is often too much metal and glass in the way, but not as problematic as the infamous netting at another venue that you know. One thing Ridder does well in comparison to arenas where the stands have a more gradual slope, is that it gets those 3K fans close to the action, which can create energy.

What ever your "dream home," I hope it becomes a reality!
 
Here's a start:
Average Annual Attendance
10 Year Period
Women's Hockey NCAA Champion Schools + Penn State




Wisconsin 2,077*
Minnesota 1,936
Minnesota-Duluth 1,177
Penn State 550
Clarkson 442
Ohio State 439



Notes:

1. These numbers are based on the USCHO stats; link provided by ARM.

2. For a variety of reasons, all of these numbers are likely to be a bit high. At the most basic level, there's an obvious incentive to pad the numbers by counting people working the game, and so on. There's no corresponding incentive to under-report.

3. Another problem is paid no-shows. It's certainly legitimate for a school to report money in the till. Nevertheless, remember that MinnOTB believes that at some UMD games, paid no-shows could account for half of the reported attendance. But I'm interested in the number of fans actually in the building. In other words, "scanned tickets," or "drop count." So it's hard to know what to make of the UMD number.

4. Here at Ohio State, admission is free. So there's literally no scanned ticket number. Sometimes it looks like the "count" amounts to "the usual crowd is here, so use the usual number."

5. As per robertearle, Wisconsin numbers may be the most misleading of all. Fill the Bowl numbers just skew the results. Fill the Bowl might very well be an idea worth swiping. But for the current topic, I'm interested in the average number of people attending in LaBahn. Also, selling the same seat twice may put more $$ in the till, but it doesn't put more people in the building. For Wisconsin, I used either the reported attendance OR the building capacity -- whichever was lower in the given year.

*EDIT: robertearle provided an improved number for Wisconsin, that at least eliminated the Fill the Bowl issue. 2,077 is that improved number.

6. My numbers actually go back 11 years. The smattering of reports for 2020-21 -- the pandemic year -- are completely meaningless. So I went back to 2012-13 to get a tenth year.

7. I added Penn State to the mix. Partly because they're a Big Ten Sister School, and partly because they represent the state of the art option for having both teams share the same rink.


Discussion:

1. Wisconsin and Minnesota lead the way, drawing approximately 2,000 fans per game. Matching that number is a fine goal. Claiming that we at Ohio State will easily exceed 2,000 seems like a dubious claim.

2. UMD and Penn State play in state of the art arenas, with seating capacity designed for the Men's program. The Penn State number doesn't look all that different from the Ohio State number (humble building) or Clarkson. (nicer building with smaller overall capacity) UMD is higher, but as per Note #3 above, it could be that the in-house attendance actually fits in with the other schools in this second tier. Meaning attendance in the 400-600 range. Or, you can accept the UMD number as is, and consider the Bulldogs in a tier of their own.

3. I'm good with the goal of "not turning people away." To pursue that, you need to have number of seats above the average number, in order to account for the biggest games. For OSU, building a rink with 400-500 seats wouldn't accomplish that, and would be a serious mistake. We've recently been reporting attendance in the 700-800 range. Given that some people have indeed been turned away, I conclude that we need at least 1,000 seats right now. Perhaps putting OSU in a grouping with UMD.

4. With a neat new building, you'd certainly expect attendance to increase. But the Penn State experience with a neat new building suggests that for Women's D-1 Hockey, that increase is likely to be in the hundreds, not the thousands. If you build it, they will come. But necessarily in huge numbers. What does that mean for OSU? This is just a guess. But maybe after the shiny new toy phase wears off, perhaps an extra 400-500 fans per game?

5. So far, I'm at 1,500 seats, with a need to consider future growth.


Up Next: Attendance Trends Over Time.
 
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Wisconsin 2,164
Minnesota 1,936

Minnesota-Duluth 1,177
Penn State 550
Clarkson 442
Ohio State 439

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5. As per robertearle, Wisconsin numbers may be the most misleading of all.
At the same time, Wisconsin may have had as many sellouts during the LaBahn era as the rest of the country combined. If you see that market as being the closest fit to Columbus, and in some ways, it likely is, it's hard to conclude that LaBahn was built any too large. More than the average for a season, a better measure might be what was something like the 3rd-largest crowd in a season, to get away from the one big rival or a special promotion.

6. My numbers actually go back 11 years. The smattering of reports for 2020-21 -- the pandemic year -- are completely meaningless. So I went back to 2012-13 to get a tenth year.
Last year was also a non-typical season, so I wouldn't put much stock in 2021-22 numbers. There weren't many sports where attendance was anywhere near the average, so it is a credit to Madison that the Badgers did as well attendance wise as they did.
 
Unsolicited advise, but I'd recommend building a new arena right, and not being afraid to aim a bit higher. I think that concourse level seating at Ridder is listed at 3,100; the other 300 are supposedly upstairs at club level and the suites. For tournaments, much of that is used up by media, support staff, and league personnel.

I've never watched a game in Ridder and thought, "This place is too big." There were years where I doubted that there were more than 300 people there for a WCHA quarterfinal, especially when the weather was bad and the game wasn't included in the season-ticket package. Youth teams are a big part of the attendance at GWH games, and it is always more challenging to fill the place for something that isn't on the schedule, because the youth teams don't attend. The feeling wasn't that there were too many seats; there were too few people, and removing any number of seats wouldn't have changed that. In any case, you don't build your rink for those few dates that are near the bottom of your average.

Minnesota crowds in the range of 1,800 - 2,200 are fairly common. Would it improve the atmosphere to have a building with a capacity of 2,400 or fewer for such games? Maybe by a little, say five percent (if it is possible to quantify "atmosphere.") However, in order to achieve that theoretical gain, you have to sacrifice adding another 1,000 people for the games that matter most.

Learn from what others have done, what's worked and what hasn't. If you build it with a small capacity, don't compound the problem by assuming that the average fan weighs 100 pounds and expect that they can fit on 16" of bench.

Most of the faults of Ridder involve something being planned too low rather than too high. Not enough restroom capacity, especially for women. Inadequate concessions. The concourse is too narrow in places, mostly by the concession areas, although not as bad as somewhere like the old DECC. The sightlines aren't great, as there is often too much metal and glass in the way, but not as problematic as the infamous netting at another venue that you know. One thing Ridder does well in comparison to arenas where the stands have a more gradual slope, is that it gets those 3K fans close to the action, which can create energy.

What ever your "dream home," I hope it becomes a reality!

Thank you for the perspective from a Ridder point of view ... more great points for us here in Buckeye Nation to consider. I especially like the statement regarding you never watching a game in Ridder and thinking "This place is too big." I also liked your thought that the feeling wasn't that there were too many seats, it was that there were too few people. Regarding your point about 16" of bench, any of us who have been to an Ohio State Football game, and I think most of us have, we can totally relate to that! :D
 
"Wisconsin 2,164"
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As per robertearle, Wisconsin numbers may be the most misleading of all. Fill the Bowl numbers just skew the results."

(If I did the job right...)

Games at LaBahn from 2012-13 through 2021-22, with COVID 2020-21 excluded and "Fill The Bowl" games taken out:

Average announced attendance - 2077
Tickets scanned in - 1439

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(As for no reliable numbers for Ohio State games: I expect that somebody is counting heads, because there are fire limits, etc. So I would think the announced numbers are fairly accurate.)
 
Here's a start:
Average Annual Attendance
10 Year Period
Women's Hockey NCAA Champion Schools + Penn State



Wisconsin 2,164
Minnesota 1,936

Minnesota-Duluth 1,177
Penn State 550
Clarkson 442
Ohio State 439



Notes:

1. These numbers are based on the USCHO stats; link provided by ARM.

2. For a variety of reasons, all of these numbers are likely to be a bit high. At the most basic level, there's an obvious incentive to pad the numbers by counting people working the game, and so on. There's no corresponding incentive to under-report.

3. Another problem is paid no-shows. It's certainly legitimate for a school to report money in the till. Nevertheless, remember that MinnOTB believes that at some UMD games, paid no-shows could account for half of the reported attendance. But I'm interested in the number of fans actually in the building. In other words, "scanned tickets," or "drop count." So it's hard to know what to make of the UMD number.

4. Here at Ohio State, admission is free. So there's literally no scanned ticket number. Sometimes it looks like the "count" amounts to "the usual crowd is here, so use the usual number."

5. As per robertearle, Wisconsin numbers may be the most misleading of all. Fill the Bowl numbers just skew the results. Fill the Bowl might very well be an idea worth swiping. But for the current topic, I'm interested in the average number of people attending in LaBahn. Also, selling the same seat twice may put more $$ in the till, but it doesn't put more people in the building. For Wisconsin, I used either the reported attendance OR the building capacity -- whichever was lower in the given year.

6. My numbers actually go back 11 years. The smattering of reports for 2020-21 -- the pandemic year -- are completely meaningless. So I went back to 2012-13 to get a tenth year.

7. I added Penn State to the mix. Partly because they're a Big Ten Sister School, and partly because they represent the state of the art option for having both teams share the same rink.


Discussion:

1. Wisconsin and Minnesota lead the way, drawing approximately 2,000 fans per game. Matching that number is a fine goal. Claiming that we at Ohio State will easily exceed 2,000 seems like a dubious claim.

2. UMD and Penn State play in state of the art arenas, with seating capacity designed for the Men's program. The Penn State number doesn't look all that different from the Ohio State number (humble building) or Clarkson. (nicer building with smaller overall capacity) UMD is higher, but as per Note #3 above, it could be that the in-house attendance actually fits in with the other schools in this second tier. Meaning attendance in the 400-600 range. Or, you can accept the UMD number as is, and consider the Bulldogs in a tier of their own.

3. I'm good with the goal of "not turning people away." To pursue that, you need to have number of seats above the average number, in order to account for the biggest games. For OSU, building a rink with 400-500 seats wouldn't accomplish that, and would be a serious mistake. We've recently been reporting attendance in the 700-800 range. Given that some people have indeed been turned away, I conclude that we need at least 1,000 seats right now. Perhaps putting OSU in a grouping with UMD.

4. With a neat new building, you'd certainly expect attendance to increase. But the Penn State experience with a neat new building suggests that for Women's D-1 Hockey, that increase is likely to be in the hundreds, not the thousands. If you build it, they will come. But necessarily in huge numbers. What does that mean for OSU? This is just a guess. But maybe after the shiny new toy phase wears off, perhaps an extra 400-500 fans per game?

5. So far, I'm at 1,500 seats, with a need to consider future growth.


Up Next: Attendance Trends Over Time.

I am a numbers guy, so I thoroughly appreciate you crunching the numbers. Based on those numbers, I think something in the low 2,000 range would be sufficient for OSU. It would ensure that no one would be turned away, while also allowing for bigger crowds for those games against Minnesota, Minnesota-Duluth, and Wisconsin. I am thinking something like LaBahn Arena (2,273) or Colgate's Class of 1965 Arena (opened in 2016, seats 2,222) would be the right size.
 
I think something in the low 2,000 range would be sufficient for OSU.
We can chat about it at next weekends game but wouldn't the number you mentioned most likely keep us out of contention for hosting the WCHA championship or a second round NCAA playoff? I think hosting those should be a consideration for a new building. As a fan I certainly want the possibility of more post season games in our house. And wouldn't home ice be a benefit for our team to help advance in the tournaments?
 
Just throwing this out there for comparison. UConn started playing in their brand spanking new on-campus rink a month ago. The Toscano Family Ice Forum seats 2600 and has steep seating with great sightlines. It does have a small balcony/club level that was closed at the women's game that I attended there 10 days ago. The UConn women were averaging 380 in the first 10 home games in their old rink right next door. So far they've had crowds of 1829, 1494, and 1579 in their first 3 games in the nicely appointed new rink. Kudos to UConn for doing the rink right. It's a great fit for the women's program. I'm guessing many fans wanted it larger since their men's team plays there too - but I know going forward the men will still be playing a good chunk of games in Hartford at the XL Center (formerly called the Hartford Civic Center where the NHL Whalers played) which is about 40 minutes away from campus. Also similar to OSU, the women's games are currently free. But I think that might change next year.

Here's a link with a few pics: https://uconnhuskies.com/facilities/toscano-family-ice-forum/90

PGB - if you guys install a drawbridge for the visiting team, I'll make a road trip to Columbus this year. Otherwise, I'm holding out for your future digs.
 
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