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Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

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FYI. The IFC doesn't enjoy it if you are drinking beer while helping with Greek move in... Who knew?
 
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I don't know if anyone is watching the CCHA All Access but I'm not sure how I feel about the Lady Gaga in the locker room before a game :p.

Other then that good stuff!

Edit: The clip of Rico cursing out Hill just made my night.
 
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MUhawks628 said:
I don't know if anyone is watching the CCHA All Access but I'm not sure how I feel about the Lady Gaga in the locker room before a game :p.

Other then that good stuff!

Edit: The clip of Rico cursing out Hill just made my night.
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yea it was good stuff, ND-Mich game is on now....this should be good.
 
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MUhawks628 said:
I don't know if anyone is watching the CCHA All Access but I'm not sure how I feel about the Lady Gaga in the locker room before a game :p.

Other then that good stuff!

Edit: The clip of Rico cursing out Hill just made my night.
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is anyone recording it? don't get FS Detroit out here in VA. Would love for someone to put it up on youtube. would it show up on Miami's ALL-ACCESS?
 
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Tough break for Michigan with Hogan leaving the game halfway through the 1st with an injury. 1-0 Wolverines tho.
 
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Looks like them losing Hogan in the first didn't really hurt in tonights game, they actually had a goalie play well tonight.
 
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With the game tonight...

Notre Dame is officially traveling. They're locking into 9/10 now.

Michigan with 2 more points in South Bend could secure a bye... as long as Northern Michigan does not sweep Lake State.

Remember how we played the Lakers a couple weeks ago and they were in 4th place? They're locked into an 8/9/10 finish now.
 
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In trying to bridge this topic from our thread over to yours I have a question I'm curious about for all you Miami fans about going from Redskins to Redhawks. I've been getting the impression that the younger generations seem to be complacent about it while older alums don't like it at all. Any thoughts that I'm accurate on this assumption? And if any of you are versed in your school's history when was the Redskins name originally adopted by the university? :confused:
 
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From wikipedia: Before the early 1930s, the Miami University nicknames were interchangeable, including the Miami Boys, the Big Reds, and the Reds and Whites. The first glimpse of the Miami University Redskins was in 1928, when a Miami student referred to their team as the Big Red-Skinned Warriors.[3] By 1931, the Redskins had stuck as the Miami University nickname, and was the official nickname of the Miami University athletics program for nearly seventy years.

In mid-1997, at the urging from Dr. Myrtis Powell who went to the Oklahoma-based Miami Tribe for support, the Miami University Redskins officially changed their names to the RedHawks, which they remain today. Many members of the tribe were indifferent to the old name, while many others welcomed the change[citation. The mascot of the Miami Redhawks is Swoop the Redhawk.

From my seat, the nickname change was political correctness gone wrong. The university was respectful of the Miami Tribe requiring the upcoming mascot to spend a period during the summer with them to learn their culture. The clothing and dances were authentic and the logo was not cartoonish like some mascots. I think that many alumni got upset because the request for a change did not come from the Tribe itself but from the university and the Miami Indian was the tradition that they knew. But, they're the Hawks now so long live the Hawks.
 
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Hockeybuckeye said:
In trying to bridge this topic from our thread over to yours I have a question I'm curious about for all you Miami fans about going from Redskins to Redhawks. I've been getting the impression that the younger generations seem to be complacent about it while older alums don't like it at all. Any thoughts that I'm accurate on this assumption? And if any of you are versed in your school's history when was the Redskins name originally adopted by the university? :confused:
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The "younger generations" aren't necessarily complacent. It's more that the discussion is just irrelevant to them. We applied to be a RedHawk, we attended school as RedHawks, and we graduated as RedHawks. Any alumni in this situation who profess anger at the change (barring pre-1997 experiences) are probably just full of it.

I was one of those "TeleHawks" students who called alumni to ask them to contribute to the University, and it was disheartening to hear so many older alumni flat out refuse to contribute (and often take their anger out on me) for no reason other than the mascot change. What I've heard time and again from disgruntled "Redskin" alumni is that it wasn't the change itself that angered them, but rather the way the University handled it. There's anger that the change was instigated on the University side, and the tribe was only brought it to force the matter. There's anger about the fact that the alumni were largely excluded from the entire process. Fine. Be angry at the old administration that pushed for the change. Be angry at the way the process was handled.

However, it is absurd to continue taking out this anger on the University today. If the alumni didn't have a say in the matter, current and future students definitely had no say in the matter. Withholding contributions to the Annual Fund in an attempt to make a statement about how angry you are clearly hasn't changed anything in the past 13 years and it's unlikely to change anything in the future, but it has hurt all of the students who were not granted the financial aid that otherwise would have been funded and available. Despite what some may proclaim, Miami is definitely not less of a University, and the students are definitely not less deserving, because we are proud to be RedHawks instead of Redskins.

If you truly, passionately care (or, cared) about Miami University and Miami athletics, then your loyalty should run deeper than a mascot.

Respect the past but embrace the present. For Love & Honor.
 
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Pretty interesting question, Buckeye. But one thing you have to remember is that this year's freshmen class were 5 years old when this change took place. So unless their family was die-hard Miami fans or parents were Miami alums, they probably didn't know the Miami mascot as anything but a big red bird.

I didn't enter Miami until 2001, but was raised a Miami fan because I lived pretty close. I will say that I took the whole thing very personally. As a child I read all of the books that I could find regarding the American Indian, because their way of life fascinated me. I grew up considering the mascot "Redskins" as honoring greatest attributes of the Miami Indian Tribe. To admire the many Indian nations as I did, and then to have this charge of racism against my favorite college - I definitely took it personally.
 
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RedhawkBandMan said:
The "younger generations" aren't necessarily complacent. It's more that the discussion is just irrelevant to them. We applied to be a RedHawk, we attended school as RedHawks, and we graduated as RedHawks. Any alumni in this situation who profess anger at the change (barring pre-1997 experiences) are probably just full of it.

I was one of those "TeleHawks" students who called alumni to ask them to contribute to the University, and it was disheartening to hear so many older alumni flat out refuse to contribute (and often take their anger out on me) for no reason other than the mascot change. What I've heard time and again from disgruntled "Redskin" alumni is that it wasn't the change itself that angered them, but rather the way the University handled it. There's anger that the change was instigated on the University side, and the tribe was only brought it to force the matter. There's anger about the fact that the alumni were largely excluded from the entire process. Fine. Be angry at the old administration that pushed for the change. Be angry at the way the process was handled.

However, it is absurd to continue taking out this anger on the University today. If the alumni didn't have a say in the matter, current and future students definitely had no say in the matter. Withholding contributions to the Annual Fund in an attempt to make a statement about how angry you are clearly hasn't changed anything in the past 13 years and it's unlikely to change anything in the future, but it has hurt all of the students who were not granted the financial aid that otherwise would have been funded and available. Despite what some may proclaim, Miami is definitely not less of a University, and the students are definitely not less deserving, because we are proud to be RedHawks instead of Redskins.

If you truly, passionately care (or, cared) about Miami University and Miami athletics, then your loyalty should run deeper than a mascot.

Respect the past but embrace the present. For Love & Honor.
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You have to realize that those people aren't any less of Miami fans because they cling to the old mascot. I can only speak for myself, but (as a teenager) I saw it as the university admitting that they were a racist institution.

I am curious: you say "the students are definitely not less deserving". Of what? Sorry but you guys aren't owed anything. If the alumni give, it's a gift that you did not earn.
 
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Miamiredhawks2008 I can see where how the change was done would anger people as I know it would have me if I were an alum or student. Things change all the time in this world but when certain people in positions of authority force change because of their personal motivations and not taking into full consideration of all people involved or affected has for the most part always been considered wrong. (Welcome to political science class 101). I'd say when alum are called for donations it probably is a conflict within them as I'm sure they are proud of having attended and would normally have wanted to donate but it's a form of protest in a way that makes the university notice. I support our police but when called by the Fraternal Order of Police for donations I told them no because they lobby against legal concealed carry (this was prior to the law's passing). Now when they call I tell them if they want money to try the blackjack table. lol! So same thing, refusing on ethical grounds.
 
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