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Nov 13, 2008?

Interesting for the fact that it clearly shows that no one was forced to take TARP monies. You had to apply to receive them. I have seen and heard the forced to take, arguement and disagree with that. Some believe that institutions were forced to take this money and they simply were not .
 
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You'd have to ask 5mn_major on that one - he's the one who proclaimed that Obama would "still" win in a landslide. From that, I surmised that by *his* definition, 52.9% = landslide.

But Dubya said he won a "mandate" so his definition is a tad lower.
 
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You'd have to ask 5mn_major on that one - he's the one who proclaimed that Obama would "still" win in a landslide. From that, I surmised that by *his* definition, 52.9% = landslide.

Well...who knows for sure. But IMO the GOP will have to do better than its nearly two decade track record...McCain (age), Palin, Bush, Cheney and Dole (again age)...or it probably will face a landslide.
 
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I thought this wasn't happening. Some brilliant mind on here let me know it in no uncertain terms.

Actually, "interest rate arbitrage" is a time-honored way for banks to bolster their balance sheets after a crisis. It's also encouraged by the regulators, even if the politicians wail and gnash their teeth about scarce credit. (Probably one of the key benefits of having an independent Federal Reserve.) Unfortunately, if today's comments from a Fed governor on rates is correct, it's going to keep going well into the future.

Oh, and here's one of many stories of how the feds cheerfully "lent" the banks TARP funds.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122390023840728367.html
 
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Looks like we're back on track for the banking industry. Record bonuses $145billion. they borrow $1.5trillion from Fed at 0-.5% (soon Fed will pay them interest) and $700billion is spent on buying the toxic assets, sorry troubled assets relief program.

This is better idea than the superman3/office space of stealing fraction of a penny from depositors, these guys are stealing whole percentages (double digit) from you and you don't notice it because it's spread out and most of our money is "managed" by the "institutional investors" so out of sight out of mind.

So these bonuses are based on "revenue" and not on earnings? seems kinda off to me since revenue for JPM is way up there. but still paying out 30-80% of your earnings to your employees seems highway robbery of the owners and the taxpayers.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/JPMor...Jhbms-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

The Wall Street Journal on Friday reported that the top 38 U.S. banks and securities firms are on pace to pay their people $145 billion, based the newspaper's analysis.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co (NYSE:JPM - News) on Friday announced a record $9.3 billion payday for its investment-banking employees

its investment bank still reduced the percentage of revenue that it set aside for pay, to 33 percent, from 62 percent for 2008 and historical averages of about 44 percent. Its investment bank had one of its strongest years
 
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But Dubya said he won a "mandate" so his definition is a tad lower.

Well he's an idiot, so I wouldn't put so much stock in what he said! He was trying to bluster his way toward accomplishing his agenda rather than doing it through political acumen (like I mentioned earlier).
 
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Looks like we're back on track for the banking industry. Record bonuses $145billion. they borrow $1.5trillion from Fed at 0-.5% (soon Fed will pay them interest) and $700billion is spent on buying the toxic assets, sorry troubled assets relief program.

This is better idea than the superman3/office space of stealing fraction of a penny from depositors, these guys are stealing whole percentages (double digit) from you and you don't notice it because it's spread out and most of our money is "managed" by the "institutional investors" so out of sight out of mind.

So these bonuses are based on "revenue" and not on earnings? seems kinda off to me since revenue for JPM is way up there. but still paying out 30-80% of your earnings to your employees seems highway robbery of the owners and the taxpayers.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/JPMor...Jhbms-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

No surprises there. The Fed was established as a cartel at the instigation of the country's big banks, particularly the big Wall Street types, to inhibit competition. They've been in bed ever since, along with Congress. That trio is responsible for the economic problems we are having. And we the taxpayers are left holding the bag.

Here's a related article:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/record-bank-bonuses-based-on-record-fraud/
 
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Pat speaks again:

Is a U.S. Default Inevitable?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

We were blindsided. We never saw it coming.

So said Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein of the financial crisis of 2008. He likened its probability to four hurricanes hitting the East Coast in a single season.

Blankfein was reminded by the chairman of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Committee, Phil Angelides, that hurricanes are “acts of God.” Financial crises are manmade. Yet Blankfein was backed up by Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan, who said, “Somehow, we just missed … that home prices don’t go up forever.”

The Wall Street titans thus conceded they did not foresee the housing bubble ever bursting and they did not consider the possibility of a collapse in value of the sub-prime mortgage securities piled up on their books.

Backing up Blankfein’s plea of ignorance and incomprehension is this: The crisis killed Lehman Brothers and would have killed every one of them had not the Treasury and Fed, neither of which saw it coming, either, intervened with hundreds of billions in bailout cash.

Yet there were those who warned a housing bubble was being created like the dot-com bubble; others who predicted the Empire of Debt was coming down. As, today, there are those warning that the United States, with consecutive deficits running 10 percent of gross domestic product, is risking an eventual default on its national debt.

The warnings come from the Committee on the Fiscal Future of the United States, chaired by Rudolph Penner, former head of the Congressional Budget Office, and David Walker, former head of the Government Accountability Office and author of Comeback America: Turning the Country Around and Restoring Fiscal Responsibility.

With that share of the U.S. national debt held by individuals, corporations, pension funds and foreign governments having risen in 2009 from 41 percent to 53 percent of GDP, Penner and Walker believe it imperative to get the deficit under control. Unfortunately, it is not possible to see how, politically, this can be done.

Consider. The five largest elements in the budget are Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense and interest on the debt.

With interest rates near record lows, and certain to rise, and back-to-back $1.4 trillion deficits, this budget item has to grow and has to be paid if the U.S. government is to continue to borrow.

Second, with seniors on fire against Medicare cuts in health care reform, it would be fatal for the Obama Democrats to curtail Social Security or Medicare benefits any further this year. Next year, they will not only lack the congressional strength but any desire to do so, after their anticipated shellacking this fall.

The same holds true for Medicaid. The Party of Government is not going to cut health benefits for its most loyal supporters. Indeed, federal costs may rise as state governments, constitutionally required to balance their budgets, cut social benefits and beg the feds to pick up the slack.

This leaves defense. But the president is deepening the U.S. involvement in Afghanistan to 100,000 troops, and the military needs to replace weaponry and machines depreciated in a decade of war.

Where, then, are the spending cuts to come from?

Can the administration cut Homeland Security, the FBI or CIA after the near disaster in Detroit? Will Obama cut the spending for education he promised to increase? Will he cut funding for Food Stamps, unemployment insurance or the Earned Income Tax Credit in a recession? For the near term, the entitlements are untouchables.

Is this Democratic Congress, which increased the budgets of all the departments by an average of 10 percent, going to take a knife to federal agencies or federal salaries, when federal bureaucrats and beneficiaries of federal programs are the most reliable voting blocs in their coalition?

What about tax hikes?

Obama has promised to let the Bush tax cuts lapse for those earning $250,000 but has pledged not to raise taxes on the middle class. Any broad-based tax would be politically suicidal for him and his increasingly unpopular party.

But if taxes are off the table, Afghan war costs are inexorably rising, and cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and entitlement programs are politically impossible, as pressure builds for a second stimulus, how does one reduce a deficit of $1.4 trillion?

How does one stop the exploding national debt from surging above 100 percent of GDP?

America is the oldest and greatest constitutional republic, the model for all the others. But if our elected politicians are incapable of imposing the sacrifices needed to pull the nation back from the brink of a devaluation or default, is democratic capitalism truly, as Francis Fukuyama told us just two decades ago, the future of mankind?

What the looming fiscal crisis of this country portends is nothing less than a test of whether this democratic republic is sustainable.
 
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No surprises there. The Fed was established as a cartel at the instigation of the country's big banks, particularly the big Wall Street types, to inhibit competition. They've been in bed ever since, along with Congress. That trio is responsible for the economic problems we are having. And we the taxpayers are left holding the bag.

Here's a related article:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/record-bank-bonuses-based-on-record-fraud/

Pat speaks again:

a "wall street bonus" tax. a new 'old' marginal rate of 45% on income over $1MM would have been anything but political suicide for obamacrats. rover and his ilk would gladly pay their fair share. ;)
 
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a "wall street bonus" tax. a new 'old' marginal rate of 45% on income over $1MM would have been anything but political suicide for obamacrats. rover and his ilk would gladly pay their fair share. ;)

We could always go back to the rates under Eisenhower.
 
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Considering the current and proposed spending sprees, that's probably what will happen anyway.

sad thing is.... if they do increase rates they will only spend it. it's very easy to spend money that isn't yours.
 
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Pat speaks again:

Democrats largely benefit from a system that is creaking and failing... to see this you have to see their desire to be seen as the savior of the masses and the common man and they empathize in their struggles caused by a system that they largely don't understand.

Between that and the Dems desires to use the throne of ultimate power to save others... the normal dem doesn't care so much but the scheming Dem (congress, leadership) will see such crisis events as items that push towards goals of power and the proper ordering of society... the normal dem just sees that there's a world out there that is to be improved regardless of the consequences.... the normal dem plays into the hands of the schemer.

Default is inevitable as much as deficit spending and borrowing is inevitable... all the interest is compound and rises faster than inflation... as long as we work with a system where our debt burden increases faster than inflation then default is in fact inevitable... and it will all come as a consequence of our noble ideal of saving us from ourselves. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
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And isn't that why these guys are supposed to getting paid the immense sums that they get? So greed and willfull ignorance don't overwhelm sound business practices and common sense?

Uhh... greed and ignorance is at the core of any Wall St. hemorrhage... they get paid because they have to leverage to provide some guy with control of lots of money what he wants.

The problem is that you want to control how much these people make based on your subjective moral system because you hate what they can do (and I'm not saying they should be liked... I think they're all arrogant clowns). and I say "you" to represent the whole lot of you guys who think that we should 'cap their salaries' and all kinds of other things that head down an ugly road of having some system telling us what we can and cannot make... something that is antithetical to a free society and leads to a society built on spite.

The whole financial situation gets sillier and sillier... instead of cleaning the rot, they've let the rot stay in place with only the implicit threat that Obama will seek to destroy the major financial system using the american people's emotions as leverage the next time something happens. On top of that they're floating all kinds of new abstract rules that are made for the purpose of financing the government by way of spite... none of this solves the initial problem mind you. For a president who is supposed to be "smart" or have an appeal of "smart power" and "competent leadership" they sure have done less than nothing to solve the issues in the system that caused the problem.

The problem wasn't that people defaulted on their loans or that they were "underwater" (and I hear another person complain about how they owe more than the house is worth I'm going to projectile vomit... keep paying on your house scumbag... you can clearly afford to pay the loan)... the problem was they did it at a higher rate than those who bought these CDOs thought they would and as a result it broke their attuned models on which they believed they could leverage themselves out.

The problem hasn't actually been that some spanish family took out a loan invited 15 friends and relatives to stay until the end of rutabaga season... the problem is they defaulted more often than what the smart people thought would happen. The first is only a symptom of the rot that got infested into the system and the stupid that freely reigns.
 
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And isn't that why these guys are supposed to getting paid the immense sums that they get? So greed and willfull ignorance don't overwhelm sound business practices and common sense?

no. that is what regulators are paid for. unfortunately, the private practice guys are either smarter or in bed with the regulators and render them useless
 
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Democrats largely benefit from a system that is creaking and failing... to see this you have to see their desire to be seen as the savior of the masses and the common man and they empathize in their struggles caused by a system that they largely don't understand.

Between that and the Dems desires to use the throne of ultimate power to save others... the normal dem doesn't care so much but the scheming Dem (congress, leadership) will see such crisis events as items that push towards goals of power and the proper ordering of society... the normal dem just sees that there's a world out there that is to be improved regardless of the consequences.... the normal dem plays into the hands of the schemer.

Default is inevitable as much as deficit spending and borrowing is inevitable... all the interest is compound and rises faster than inflation... as long as we work with a system where our debt burden increases faster than inflation then default is in fact inevitable... and it will all come as a consequence of our noble ideal of saving us from ourselves. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Pat, you come across as a bit too ideological. We are trying to get ourselves out of a recession. Nobody's spending nor hiring...jump starting the economy will heal many ills including the spending of the GOP.

But to drop to your ideological level for a moment...does it really make sense that someone who earns $40k a year working 60 hours a week at two jobs should pay more taxes than me, who made $70k with my money sitting in the bank and me sitting on my *** all day?
 
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no. that is what regulators are paid for. unfortunately, the private practice guys are either smarter or in bed with the regulators and render them useless

So short term greed trumps any thought of long term company viability? They'd run their company into the ground if it meant just a little more cash for them this quarter? They need some external watchdog to prevent them from destroying their own company in the pursuit of ever more money?

I guess that's possible if they know the government will always bail them out when they fail. Which is why we should have let them all go under; then they could enjoy those bonuses they'd be getting this year.

I don't want to cap their pay out of spite, unless by spite you mean almost destroying our economy, and then awarding themselves for it on the backs of the taxpayers who bailed them out. They wouldn't be able to do any of this were it not for the billions the government poured into their companies.

And now, while millions of the people who bailed them out still sit out of work, or have lost their own houses, they have the gall to continue on business as usual, as if they did nothing at all to cause this mess.

Where's the accountability, where's the pure capitalism, the succeed or fail on your own merits and abilities, that you guys are so enamored of?
 
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no. that is what regulators are paid for. unfortunately, the private practice guys are either smarter or in bed with the regulators and render them useless

when most businesses fail, they hang up an 'out of business' sign. these guys have 'too big to fail' as a trump card so they can take risks and still with a straight face claim that 'my department made money, the mbs folks lost the 50 gazillion, i deserve my bonus' and get away with it.

commercial/savings banks want to buy IB, let the gov'ment insure personal accounts up to 100,000 and the rest are caveat emptor.
 
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There was no guarantee of a bailout, decisions were not made 'knowing' the gov't would bail them out. Strategies that were employed 3-5-7 years ago were not implemented because companies knew they couldn't fail.
 
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