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LynahFan said:
whereas in 2009, in the cases where the Republicans thought Obama was on the wrong track, they had the guts to say so, even though it meant going against the supermajority in Congress, the broad public sentiment, and a very popular President.
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I don't get the sense that GOP opposition is based on 'guts' or principle. Its more a political calculation that they'll be rewarded more with uniform opposition than with bipartisan cooperation. Some might like that approach, others may disdain it but from the beginning of Obama's Presidency widespread opposition has been the strategy. I base that on the minority party voting against things they were happy to vote for when the Presidency was held by a member of their party.
 
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pirate said:
and they are doing a fine job of stringing us out across the region so we can spend even more money, fight internally, be distracted from solving the economic crisis, lose more lives and create more badwill...somebody read the art of war and it wasn't us

Going into Iraq was a monumentally stupid idea and we are reminded of that every single day.
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SSSSHHH...no one wants to hear that! Everything was fine...The Surge (much like the drink) WORKED! People are safe and they love us for giving them freedom. (I have a bridge to sell you...)
 
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Rover said:
I don't get the sense that GOP opposition is based on 'guts' or principle. Its more a political calculation that they'll be rewarded more with uniform opposition than with bipartisan cooperation. Some might like that approach, others may disdain it but from the beginning of Obama's Presidency widespread opposition has been the strategy. I base that on the minority party voting against things they were happy to vote for when the Presidency was held by a member of their party.
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And I assume you aren't saying one party is above the behavior you described. Nobody holds the high ground. In the eye of the biased, the other side is always 'crazy'. So on this trip to grandma's it is one of them that starts the fight in the backseat, last time it was the other....rinse, repeat. Winning an election makes the partisan behavior seem 'ok' to whichever side won and the other side redoubles its efforts to get enough money to win the next election.
 
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pirate said:
And I assume you aren't saying one party is above the behavior you described. Nobody holds the high ground. In the eye of the biased, the other side is always 'crazy'. So on this trip to grandma's it is one of them that starts the fight in the backseat, last time it was the other....rinse, repeat. Winning an election makes the partisan behavior seem 'ok' to whichever side won and the other side redoubles its efforts to get enough money to win the next election.
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Sure, but I say this as a person who votes GOP more often than not - the GOP has been acting crazier than the Dems for awhile now. Both parties suck, but admitting one is worse than the other at this particular point in time is simply being honest. I have no doubt that the situation will reverse itself in time, but ****ed if I know when.
 
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Joe Cool! :cool: :D

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Loved this comment on HotAir:

I don’t always drink Hennessey, but when I do, I prefer an articulate and light skinned African American with no discernable negro dialet to serve it to me before being tested by the whole world. Stay thirsty my friends.
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LynahFan said:
It pretty much sucked. So I don't know why anybody (looking at you, 5mn_major) would tout that as a reason why the Republicans should do the same thing now...
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The conservative movement on average has constantly tried to position Obama a communist since the day he walked in the white house door...even as the country has faced down great depression II. I just don't think much of the personal attacks is all. And in the US today...calling someone a communist is a personal attack.

But after question upon question about side issues, my original point at the beginning of this was the Republicans still haven't shown anything to prove they should be anywhere near the reigns of power.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The conservative movement on average has constantly tried to position Obama a communist since the day he walked in the white house door...even as the country has faced down great depression II. I just don't think much of the personal attacks is all. And in the US today...calling someone a communist is a personal attack.

But after question upon question about side issues, my original point at the beginning of this was the Republicans still haven't shown anything to prove they should be anywhere near the reigns of power.
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Well, I certainly agree with both of these paragraphs. When you said "cut him some slack" I assumed you were saying that Republicans should demurely defer to Obama's policy initiatives, not that they should refrain from calling him names. Name calling has its place - on the elementary school playground.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The conservative movement on average has constantly tried to position Obama a communist since the day he walked in the white house door...even as the country has faced down great depression II. I just don't think much of the personal attacks is all. And in the US today...calling someone a communist is a personal attack.

But after question upon question about side issues, my original point at the beginning of this was the Republicans still haven't shown anything to prove they should be anywhere near the reigns of power.
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But he's a Kenyan-born Muslin Socialist Nazi terrorist!!!!
 
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5mn_Major said:
The conservative movement on average has constantly tried to position Obama a communist since the day he walked in the white house door...even as the country has faced down great depression II. I just don't think much of the personal attacks is all. And in the US today...calling someone a communist is a personal attack.

But after question upon question about side issues, my original point at the beginning of this was the Republicans still haven't shown anything to prove they should be anywhere near the reigns of power.
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OK... I've seen what you've written... so, tell me why Obama is not actually a communist. I'm curious... seriously I am. A communist who wants to govern and accomplish things is doing exactly as he has been... people who don't get elected don't get to rule... his entire history is littered with evidence of communist and hard-socialist beliefs. I mean, just because you want to call him "not a communist" because he's a democrat doesn't mean anything really. Anybody can call themselves a democrat and run as one despite being an extremist. you can't assume that by Elf magic that somehow extremists get filtered out.

Snark to end this... the Democrats still haven't shown anything to prove that they should be anywhere near the reigns of power... they've certainly shown that they're pretty bad at it and are more at home goose-stepping over the American people. After all to them the American populace is a group to be ruled over as opposed laying out the intellectual arguments.
 
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Rover said:
I don't get the sense that GOP opposition is based on 'guts' or principle. Its more a political calculation that they'll be rewarded more with uniform opposition than with bipartisan cooperation. Some might like that approach, others may disdain it but from the beginning of Obama's Presidency widespread opposition has been the strategy. I base that on the minority party voting against things they were happy to vote for when the Presidency was held by a member of their party.
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Bottom line is you belief your belief system is an absolute moral imperative and that anybody working against it must be lying.
 
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Patman said:
OK... I've seen what you've written... so, tell me why Obama is not actually a communist. I'm curious... seriously I am. A communist who wants to govern and accomplish things is doing exactly as he has been... people who don't get elected don't get to rule... his entire history is littered with evidence of communist and hard-socialist beliefs. I mean, just because you want to call him "not a communist" because he's a democrat doesn't mean anything really. Anybody can call themselves a democrat and run as one despite being an extremist. you can't assume that by Elf magic that somehow extremists get filtered out.
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I am sorry, but have you ever proven that he is one? Isn't it the responsibility of the accuser to prove his accusations true not the other way around?

I mean maybe he is I dont know but considering the Right seems to alternate between him being a Socialist and a Communist I want to know which one is actually true if either is provable. And just saying "he is a socialist/communist" because he is to the right of you doesn't mean anything really.

So please, point out the facts in evidence that show he is a Communist...I really want to know. (no snark)
 
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Obama proposes financial crisis responsibility fee

How backwards is this?

Significantly, the administration will exempt GM, Chrsyler, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from the fees even though most of the current TARP deficit is linked to taxpayer bailouts of these firms.

"The goal of this proposal is to ensure that those major financial institutions who were the most significant contributors to the financial crisis, and who have been the most significant beneficiaries of the extraordinary public policy effort take responsibility to ensure that all of the costs of TARP are not added to the deficit or passed on to next generations through an increase in our national debt," said a top administration official who briefed reporters in the Obama proposal late Wednesday.
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So you're going take banks that were near bankruptcy and put them at a competitive disadvantage. This is going to end well:rolleyes:
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, what would you do to prevent these morons from destroying the financial stability of the US again? I know, let's do nothing. Or better yet, let's deregulate some more, that'll help.

We should have let them die.
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Who? Congress?

Good idea!
 
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"Obama advisers believe the administration can make an argument that banks should tap their generous executive bonus pools for the fee instead of passing the cost on to consumers."

And I believe that the bankers will make an argument that Obama should bugger off.
 
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Jesus how long are they going to run with the "executive bonus" BS? Look I know that these CEOs and execs get these retarded bonuses and it is a crock (especially since they arent ever performance based) but they are not why things are failing. Are people really this stupid?

Wait, I know the answer to that...and apparently so does Obama since that is the card he repeatedly plays.

All of this crap we are doing is like putting tape over the hole in the hose. sooner or later it gives way and we are right back where we started. But hey, we have lots of cool half measures and the government is spending money like water1 Of course the people, the ones who NEED the money aren't getting it but someone is spending it so HIP HIP HOORAY!
 
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