bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
BORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
Even Bork was Borked as retribution. I agree with WWM -- this goes back to Adams vs Jefferson, if not before.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
The solutions are (1) hide the hard choices in gimmick automatic fire mechanisms like sequestering, (2) curtail transparency and risk (ensure) corruptions creeping back (even more) into the system, (3) change the government to pure majority rule (which sounds terrible), or (4) everybody grows up and recognizes that governance means deal making.
(1) is easy
(2) and (3) are recipes for fascism
(4) requires a sudden doubling of mean IQ
I'm betting on (1).
Weirdly, transparency makes democracy harder. Guys like Tip O'Neill or Bob Dole could cut deals and it wasn't in every blog as a "betrayal" the next day. Nobody can do that anymore. The parties have always fed their base raw meat to get them angry, but the price is now that the technology exists to scrutinize and discuss and respond to every single part of the leg lifecycle; they can't make compromises because you can't be seen to compromise with OMGEVIL!!!11!
The solutions are (1) hide the hard choices in gimmick automatic fire mechanisms like sequestering, (2) curtail transparency and risk (ensure) corruptions creeping back (even more) into the system, (3) change the government to pure majority rule (which sounds terrible), or (4) everybody grows up and recognizes that governance means deal making.
(1) is easy
(2) and (3) are recipes for fascism
(4) requires a sudden doubling of mean IQ
I'm betting on (1).
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I think the passing from the political scene of the WWII generation is the difference between then and now. Pols who either fought the war or remember the war even if they were too young to serve would have a sense that in the end we're all Americans who were once united in a life or death struggle to save the world. Talk to any WWII veteran now and they tend to be not nearly as partisan as the generation that came after them and are much more live and let live. To my knowledge I think there's like 4 WWII vets left in Congress (the two senators from Hawaii, Lautenberg and perhaps Dingle although I'm not sure about him). So, as always, its the Boomers fault!
I think the passing from the political scene of the WWII generation is the difference between then and now. Pols who either fought the war or remember the war even if they were too young to serve would have a sense that in the end we're all Americans who were once united in a life or death struggle to save the world. Talk to any WWII veteran now and they tend to be not nearly as partisan as the generation that came after them and are much more live and let live. To my knowledge I think there's like 4 WWII vets left in Congress (the two senators from Hawaii, Lautenberg and perhaps Dingle although I'm not sure about him). So, as always, its the Boomers fault!
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
Anybody seen, heard or know anything about these treaties?
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/209283-obamas-assault-on-america
Anybody seen, heard or know anything about these treaties?
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/209283-obamas-assault-on-america
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
I stopped reading when I saw "dick morris" in the headline.
I stopped reading when I saw "dick morris" in the headline.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
If it prevents us from starting another Iraq I'm all for it.
If it prevents us from starting another Iraq I'm all for it.
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
Unilateral disarmament would accomplish the same thing. One assumes you'd support THAT too. And for the reason stated. Libs love to tangle the US up in that thoroughly corrupt enterprise known as the UN. As someone once said: Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. Nobody would notice, except anti-Americans, who would miss the Anti-American concerts from that Anti-American glee club known as the General Assembly.
Unilateral disarmament would accomplish the same thing. One assumes you'd support THAT too. And for the reason stated. Libs love to tangle the US up in that thoroughly corrupt enterprise known as the UN. As someone once said: Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. Nobody would notice, except anti-Americans, who would miss the Anti-American concerts from that Anti-American glee club known as the General Assembly.
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
I realize this is an opinion piece but I haven't heard anything about these treaties, had you? Don't hear Romney talking about them. I wonder if Ron Paul has talked about them? Kind of important if you ask me.
so you would let UN decide , let them negotiate everything? As far as Iraq goes might not have been bad but what about issues that may arise? How about giving up our oil drilling technology? Just hand it away for nothing? Its so laughable I can't imagine its even true? How does that make sense?
I realize this is an opinion piece but I haven't heard anything about these treaties, had you? Don't hear Romney talking about them. I wonder if Ron Paul has talked about them? Kind of important if you ask me.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
Oil drilling? What does this have to do with oil drilling?
Oil drilling? What does this have to do with oil drilling?
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
Couldn't find anything about us agreeing to join the ICC anywhere, but the Law of the Sea Treaty's been sitting in the Senate since 1994 or 1982, depending on which version we're talking about. If Obama was going to push that, it seems like he would have done that two years ago when the Dems had 59 Senators instead of 51. Hell, Clinton signed the dumb thing and never made a real effort to pass it.
(Edit: It's been in the Senate since 1982. It was considered "international law" when Guyana(?) ratified it in 1994. )
The outer space code of conduct thing is basically described as "stop leaving your dead junk up there because it's going to run into the working stuff, idiots." At least, that seems to be the only part we're willing to agree to.
Just a *bit* of hyperbole in that article, IMO.
Couldn't find anything about us agreeing to join the ICC anywhere, but the Law of the Sea Treaty's been sitting in the Senate since 1994 or 1982, depending on which version we're talking about. If Obama was going to push that, it seems like he would have done that two years ago when the Dems had 59 Senators instead of 51. Hell, Clinton signed the dumb thing and never made a real effort to pass it.
(Edit: It's been in the Senate since 1982. It was considered "international law" when Guyana(?) ratified it in 1994. )
The outer space code of conduct thing is basically described as "stop leaving your dead junk up there because it's going to run into the working stuff, idiots." At least, that seems to be the only part we're willing to agree to.
Just a *bit* of hyperbole in that article, IMO.
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
It was part of one of the supposed treaties. who knows whether or not anyone is actually trying to pass it
walrus
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
"Intellectual property" regarding natural resources etc. in the sea is supposed to be given to and shared by the UN. We're not cool with that idea.
"Intellectual property" regarding natural resources etc. in the sea is supposed to be given to and shared by the UN. We're not cool with that idea.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XXII: Occupy the White House
There are a handful of BS'ers who are so stupid and/or toxic they don't deserve a read past the byline. Dick Morris, Jonah Goldberg, Peggy Noonan, and Dinesh D'Souza come to mind.
This.
There are a handful of BS'ers who are so stupid and/or toxic they don't deserve a read past the byline. Dick Morris, Jonah Goldberg, Peggy Noonan, and Dinesh D'Souza come to mind.
There's no such thing as a sneaky treaty . . .in this country, anyway. It's executive agreements you want to watch for.
None of these treaties will seriously harm U.S. interests. If there's a dispute and push comes to shove, the U.S. will just exercise its right to withdraw. But until they're presented to the Senate, worrying about them is pointless. Must've been a slow day for Dick.
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