Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

My wife has discovered Fox News, and she was just commenting the other night, "are these people kidding? It's not just that it's terrible logic -- there's no logic at all, no linkage between A and B, they're just repackaging their axioms." From the few times I have been stuck listening to talk radio in coworkers' vehicles it's amazed me that otherwise fairly intelligent, albeit not particularly educated, people can't spot the freshman logic errors or juvenile rhetorical tricks in virtually every argument those blowhards make.

My impression is that shoddy thinking is common, we discount it when it's our side and overestimate it when it's the other side.

And it isn't just Fox (which I don't watch). Two MSNBC "news anchors" recently accused Rick Perry of "racisim" by manipulating a statement he made about the debt as being a statement about Obama. And Bill Keller of the NYT is now suddenly very interested in the religious views of the Republican candidates. Fine. Let's just get it all out on the table. Let's drag that racist, anti-Semitic "them Jews", homophobic, pal of Louis Farakhan, who wants God to "d*mn America", who thinks AIDS is a plot by white guys to rid the world of black people, who ministered to the president for 20 years back onto center stage. But I'm thinking Keller isn't interest in him this time around. Just as he wasn't interested in him last time around. But many Americans who don't read the Times may want to compare the "wierd" beliefs of the Republicans and those of the president,who sat in the pews and listened to that vile crap for two decades.

I'll let you in on a little secret: if local radio stations discovered there was an audience for Mitch Miller and bowling scores, we'd suddenly hear a lot of talk about the "Ten Pin Tattlers," and "Lazy, Hazy, Crazy Days of Summer." Trust me on this.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

And it isn't just Fox (which I don't watch). Two MSNBC "news anchors" recently accused Rick Perry of "racisim" by manipulating a statement he made about the debt as being a statement about Obama. And Bill Keller of the NYT is now suddenly very interested in the religious views of the Republican candidates. Fine. Let's just get it all out on the table. Let's drag that racist, anti-Semitic "them Jews", homophobic, pal of Louis Farakhan, who wants God to "d*mn America", who thinks AIDS is a plot by white guys to rid the world of black people, who ministered to the president for 20 years back onto center stage. But I'm thinking Keller isn't interest in him this time around. Just as he wasn't interested in him last time around. But many Americans who don't read the Times may want to compare the "wierd" beliefs of the Republicans and those of the president,who sat in the pews and listened to that vile crap for two decades.

I'll let you in on a little secret: if local radio stations discovered there was an audience for Mitch Miller and bowling scores, we'd suddenly hear a lot of talk about the "Ten Pin Tattlers," and "Lazy, Hazy, Crazy Days of Summer." Trust me on this.

Difference being you can measure Fox news in errors per hour while MSNBC is closer to errors per week. The "main stream" media isn't perfect but you can't even combine them and come up to the level of bull**** Fox shovels every minute of every day.
Oh look here's a handy video highlighting some examples.
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And as for disgusting talking points, maybe you should look up Bryan Fischer, the big voice of a group who primarily funded Perry's pray away the gay I mean pray for rain I mean give all power to jeebus so he'll save us from our problems (that perry created) rally.

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[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Difference being you can measure Fox news in errors per hour while MSNBC is closer to errors per week. The "main stream" media isn't perfect but you can't even combine them and come up to the level of bull**** Fox shovels every minute of every day.
Oh look here's a handy video highlighting some examples.
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And as for disgusting talking points, maybe you should look up Bryan Fischer, the big voice of a group who primarily funded Perry's pray away the gay I mean pray for rain I mean give all power to jeebus so he'll save us from our problems (that perry created) rally.

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Well then, just don't watch. Since when is msnbc part of the "main stream media?" And we're all aware that any mention of any conservative Christian denomination will bring you snarling out of your lair like a poodle. But for some inexplicable reason Rev. "them Jews" Wright doesn't.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Well then, just don't watch. Since when is msnbc part of the "main stream media?" And we're all aware that any mention of any conservative Christian denomination will bring you snarling out of your lair like a poodle. But for some inexplicable reason Rev. "them Jews" Wright doesn't.

Can you link to an instance of Obama working to have Wright's ideas become law? Do you have anything more than a tenuous connection? The kind of connection that you were so vehemently against when it was brought up how high the suicide rates for LGBT students were in Bachmann's home district and the groups she was involved with there?

Oh and Poodles are considered the second most intelligent dog breed and are an excellent hunting dog.

 

[Old Pio]

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Can you link to an instance of Obama working to have Wright's ideas become law? Do you have anything more than a tenuous connection? The kind of connection that you were so vehemently against when it was brought up how high the suicide rates for LGBT students were in Bachmann's home district and the groups she was involved with there?

Oh and Poodles are considered the second most intelligent dog breed and are an excellent hunting dog.

No. But then, I already know what I need to know about Wright and an depth analysis of his various views correlated with Deadmeat's public utterances and legislative agenda is something better left to a master's candidate. On the other hand, the "smartest guy in the room" sat in those pews for 20 years, had that racist demagogue preside at his wedding and the baptizing of his daughters. Is it your position that none of Wright's racism, anti-semitism and anti-Americanism rubbed off? That Deadmeat spent 20 years listening to sermons he disagreed with?

And since you're capable for "blaming" Bachmann for the unfortunate deaths of some kids in a Minnesota high school (and presumably Palin for the deaths in Tuscon) you're obviously capable of the worst non sequitors. You don't know anything about those cases. You don't know anything about the etiology of suicide. You don't have any idea whether Bachmann's (or anybody's) views played any role whatsoever in those suicides. But other than that, you're right on the money. I don't want to hear one more libtard complaining about how our political discourse has degenerated. Didn't Deadmeat make a speech about that? Weren't you listening? Or don't you care?

I was speaking of toy poodles. You know, with ribbons and painted toe nails.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

No.

See how much shorter that post could have been?

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

See how much shorter that post could have been?

As long as we're clear that the religious beliefs of some candidates for president are of utmost concern to libtards everywhere. But the religious beliefs of the man who wants another term as president aren't. Just as his transcripts are of no concern. But the transcripts of his potential opponants are. World class phoniness.

But whether you like it or not, the extent to which libtards want to make personal religious beliefs an issue in the upcoming campaign, is the extent to which that foul mouthed, anti-American, bigoted a*s-hole "Rev" Wright will be brought back for the American people to consider. And this time, there won't be any "brave" speech about race relations to save Deadmeat. This time, people are going to ask themselves how could this uber smart dude listen to that garbage for 20 years, and why. Take that to the bank, smart guy.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

As long as we're clear that the religious beliefs of some candidates for president are of utmost concern to libtards everywhere.

As long as you admit that you admitted that your claim that Obama's link to Wright has produced nothing anyone can dig up. Oh and transcripts? Are you that ****ing dense? Wait don't answer that Chump. (Get it Trump? Ha ha ha)

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

As long as you admit that you admitted that your claim that Obama's link to Wright has produced nothing anyone can dig up. Oh and transcripts? Are you that ****ing dense? Wait don't answer that Chump. (Get it Trump? Ha ha ha)

I don't know of any specific legislative proposal directly affected by Wright. That doesn't mean Deadmeat's meager legislative accomplishments weren't affected by what he listened to for two decades. Did Wright have anything to do with Deadmeat stepping on his Johnson when he talked about Cambridge police "acting stupidly?" Maybe. Did Wright influence Deadmeat to load the NLRB with union hacks? Possibly. Where's that famous nuance libtards preen about all the time?

You guys will be playing the guilt by association game. "Governor, some screwy clown showed up at your prayer meeting in Houston, and he thinks Crayons are Martian plot, do you agree with him?" Okay, President Deadmeat, "Minister" Louis Farakhan thinks AIDS was created in a lab by white guys who want to wipe out all black guys. Farakhan has been praised by your "minister" Wright, do you agree with Wright's assessment of Farakhan? And how 'bout that little murder of Malcolm X?

Explain to me again how this is the smartest guy since Al Gore, therefore wanting to see his transcripts from Occidental or anywhere else is racist. Or something. I should think rather than hiding them, he'd want the world to bask in his intellectual "Oneness." You libtards want to see Perry's transcripts or mine (oh, the humanity!) but somehow Deadmeat's are off limits. Why? Because we just "know" what a brilliant student he was? Well, that settles that.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Herp a derp a derp, libtard, derp derp

More conservative talking points pls.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

More conservative talking points pls.

It's unethical to make up posts from anyone, even me, even in fun. But somehow, not entirely surprising in your case.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

she only said Obama understands her because he's of mixed race. Is that valid?

Discrimination against blacks is discrimination and discrimination against whites is not descrimination...but rather evening the playing field a hair. That's not my opinion...that's America's opinion.

IMO your post highlights part of the problem. You can't understand how blacks would feel any different than whites. Well they do. People in North Dakota don't believe that the Sioux are against their logo...but they are. Why? I don't know...but I'm not them. A minority here infers whites don't have an understanding of underpriviledged minorities situation that started centuries ago with enslavement and near genocide...who am I to say she's wrong. She's voicing that while suggesting a further hope that whites not be prejudice. Again, the big difference is that these minorities are underprivileged and underrepresented..and have limited role societal models. I know you don't want to believe that being a downtrodden minority makes things different than whites...but it does.

For example...NAs have been given the right to run casinos. This is only a benefit for NAs and nobody else. By all rights, this is an extreme example of racial preference. Why is it totally acceptable in society? Because in America, like it or not, prejudice is not prejudice when its used to help a struggling minority.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Discrimination against blacks is discrimination and discrimination against whites is not descrimination...but rather evening the playing field a hair. That's not my opinion...that's America's opinion.

IMO your post highlights part of the problem. You can't understand how blacks would feel any different than whites. Well they do. People in North Dakota don't believe that the Sioux are against their logo...but they are. Why? I don't know...but I'm not them. A minority here infers whites don't have an understanding of underpriviledged minorities situation that started centuries ago with enslavement and near genocide...who am I to say she's wrong. She's voicing that while suggesting a further hope that whites not be prejudice. Again, the big difference is that these minorities are underprivileged and underrepresented..and have limited role societal models. I know you don't want to believe that being a downtrodden minority makes things different than whites...but it does.

For example...NAs have been given the right to run casinos. This is only a benefit for NAs and nobody else. By all rights, this is an extreme example of racial preference. Why is it totally acceptable in society? Because in America, like it or not, prejudice is not prejudice when its used to help a struggling minority.

Anybody remember S. I. Hayakawa, president of San Francisco State, noted linguist and, ultimately, a senator from California (who delivered a great line when the Panama Canal treaty was being debated: "It's ours, we stole it fair and square.") Anyway, Sam became very controversial when his efforts to establish a major in Black Studies came up short and he authorized a minor instead. This set off the customary student protests. Sam, having no fear of a bunch of college punks, waded right into one of their temper tantrums. They had a flatbed truck with speakers on it and old Sam just went right up there and took on the AA kid in charge. He told Hayakawa he coulldn't know what it was like to be discriminated against based on his race and ethnicity. Hayakawa responded that the U.S. government rounded him and his family up after Pearl Harbor, with no due process, and sent them all to concentration camps. Not to mention the loss of their personal property. Slap.

We had an enormous influx of South Asians after the Vietnam war and they worked some of the worst jobs available. We had many of them in Houston because of the similar climate. And you'd see mom and dad workng at a convenience store with the kids studying behind the counter. There was a murder trial in Houston involving a Vietnamese fisherman and a good old boy. Basically the good old boy was unhappy that the Vietnamese dudes were going out earlier, staying longer and bringing back more fish. The guy threatened the little Vietnamese dude and said he was coming back later. He did and the little Vietnames guy shot him in the face. This was a case that drew the Klan, who showed up to pass the hood. Now those immigrants own those stores and as far as I know are fully integrated into those communities.

The Japanese Americans had to contend with violations of their rights at least equal to anything any group has faced in the last century. And the Vietnamese, many of 'em, came here with absolutely nothing. I recall a State of the Union where Reagan introduced a Vietnamese young lady who had come here knowing not a single word of English. She was graduating as valedictorian of her class at West Point. And there is no South Asian Caucus in the congress, designed to funnel taxpayer money into the yawning maw of inner city districts so that thoroughly represenhible people like Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters can hold on to power. During the height of Johnson's "war on poverty," some idiot authorized a million dollar grant to the Blackstone Rangers, the leading black street gang of its day in Chicago. Your tax dollars at work.

Instead of the whole ugly edifice of discrimination defended as "righting historical wrongs," why don't we look to give people who need it help? Based on their need, not their race. That's where this whole silly idea of "reparations" falls flat. Some poor kid from a struggling family in Appalachia should be taxed to pay reparations for a successful AA businessman, entertainer or sports figure? Does Condi Rice need his money? Even if you could make the moral case that he's somehow responsible for, and should have to pay for, the evils of slavery?

 

[Bakunin]

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Does discrimination still exist? Sure it does. People - of all backgrounds - hold onto stereotypes and racial biases. This isn't just a "white vs ____" problem. However, in the grand scheme of things - when it comes to school admissions, job opportunity / selection, and overall success/failure - discrimination is almost certainly playing an extremely minor role.

Clearly, the problem is cultural. If the issue was anti-immigrant bias, whites would be the top performers in this society by far. Yet, they aren't. The Asians are on par with - if not surpassing - the whites. Now why is that? I suspect it's due to the combination of stable family structure (their devotion to families is very strong) combined with a strong work ethic. The key to success for minority groups is not reparations or further government intrusion into the school application / hiring process via affirmative action; it is one of stabilizing the family structure at home. If the bulk of a demographic group has just one-parent households with very little supervision, of course many of the kids are going to fall under the sway of gangs and drugs.

As for how to reverse a decades-long problem of absentee fathers having kids with multiple women, I have no idea. Perhaps the religious leaders can come up with something for that one.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Does discrimination still exist? Sure it does. People - of all backgrounds - hold onto stereotypes and racial biases. This isn't just a "white vs ____" problem. However, in the grand scheme of things - when it comes to school admissions, job opportunity / selection, and overall success/failure - discrimination is almost certainly playing an extremely minor role.

Clearly, the problem is cultural. If the issue was anti-immigrant bias, whites would be the top performers in this society by far. Yet, they aren't. The Asians are on par with - if not surpassing - the whites. Now why is that? I suspect it's due to the combination of stable family structure (their devotion to families is very strong) combined with a strong work ethic. The key to success for minority groups is not reparations or further government intrusion into the school application / hiring process via affirmative action; it is one of stabilizing the family structure at home. If the bulk of a demographic group has just one-parent households with very little supervision, of course many of the kids are going to fall under the sway of gangs and drugs.

As for how to reverse a decades-long problem of absentee fathers having kids with multiple women, I have no idea. Perhaps the religious leaders can come up with something for that one.

And when one of the best known, best respected, best loved people in the country addresses some of these problems and offers some tough love, many in his own community bitterly attack him and try to read him out of the race. I'm speaking, of course, of Bill Cosby.

 

[Bakunin]

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And when one of the best known, best respected, best loved people in the country addresses some of these problems and offers some tough love, many in his own community bitterly attack him and try to read him out of the race. I'm speaking, of course, of Bill Cosby.

I'm sure the moment he had a hit TV show, a huge chunk of his racial group immediately viewed him as a "sell out". And who knows how many sat around and b*tched about not getting the same opportunities he did, and how it isn't fair that the government doesn't guarantee the same level of success for them.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm sure the moment he had a hit TV show, a huge chunk of his racial group immediately viewed him as a "sell out". And who knows how many sat around and b*tched about not getting the same opportunities he did, and how it isn't fair that the government doesn't guarantee the same level of success for them.

If we could just figure out a way to evenly distribute talent and ambition.

 

[Foxton]

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For example...NAs have been given the right to run casinos. This is only a benefit for NAs and nobody else. By all rights, this is an extreme example of racial preference. Why is it totally acceptable in society? Because in America, like it or not, prejudice is not prejudice when its used to help a struggling minority.

That wouldn't be preference that would be honoring treaties.

 

[Handyman]

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As long as you admit that you admitted that your claim that Obama's link to Wright has produced nothing anyone can dig up. Oh and transcripts? Are you that ****ing dense? Wait don't answer that Chump. (Get it Trump? Ha ha ha)

Obama is so awesome he is a Socialist, a Fascist, a Communist and a Black Muslim Christian Fundamentalist! Until 2008 I didn't think that was possible but now I know! Thank you Right Wing

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Obama XXI: Kenyan Muslins are ruining this country!

Instead of the whole ugly edifice of discrimination defended as "righting historical wrongs," why don't we look to give people who need it help? Based on their need, not their race. That's where this whole silly idea of "reparations" falls flat. Some poor kid from a struggling family in Appalachia should be taxed to pay reparations for a successful AA businessman, entertainer or sports figure? Does Condi Rice need his money? Even if you could make the moral case that he's somehow responsible for, and should have to pay for, the evils of slavery?

Overall good post. I do think it would be best to be very selective in addressing the subject of assistance. The thing we do know is that statistically some races are consistently 'underperforming' and perhaps, addressing it with some racial component better helps target the problem.

Clearly, the problem is cultural. If the issue was anti-immigrant bias, whites would be the top performers in this society by far. Yet, they aren't. The Asians are on par with - if not surpassing - the whites. Now why is that? I suspect it's due to the combination of stable family structure (their devotion to families is very strong) combined with a strong work ethic.

Again, not sure. But there is a difference in the original relationships here. Asians came here for opportunity...so the best, brightest and most aggressive have come here by and large. Same for whites. NAs and blacks initially had a different outcome. We know that when an individual is repeatedly abused...it scars them for life. If this done on a vast scale, can those scars cross generations? I don't know.