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Obama XX: Maybe We'll Even Talk About Obama

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unofan said:
Yeah, but how much of it is really "non-sustainable" and how much of it is irrational "starving the beast with ill-advised tax cuts during a war"?

Put another way, my guess is some of the deficit spending is sustainable in that we could pay for it, we just don't.
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It's not deficit spending if we pay for it. That's the whole problem.

As for sustainability, it's in no way, shape, or form sustainable at anywhere near the levels of deficit spending we're seeing, or even the annual deficit size we typically saw under Bush. I just don't see how people think we can go further and further into debt without eventually having to pay the piper. Even the current debt level is a massive drag on this nation. And lots of things could make it even worse, such as an uptick in the interest we have to pay on it, etc.
 
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MinnFan said:
Whats scary is that doesn't even cover a quater of the deficit.
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That is scary, but at least it is a start. All of those listed by Scooby are wasteful and worthless. Bring the troops home, cut HCR (that does not reform Health Care) and abolish NCLB (and the Dept of Ed) and at least you get the ball rolling. The piddly cuts and the attack on earmarks are not even good enough to be called lip service.

Once those go down then we can talk about the big ones...but if we can't get rid of the easy stuff no one will accept their stuff get cut. You gotta give a little, take a little...
 
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Bob Gray said:
My, my, you sure ascribe a good deal of power to me. Didn't know I had "Vanquisher of Hope" to put on my resume! :p
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Sorry, that title has been permanently occupied by Don Lucia in Scooby's world. Try again.
 
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Handyman said:
That is scary, but at least it is a start. All of those listed by Scooby are wasteful and worthless. Bring the troops home, cut HCR (that does not reform Health Care) and abolish NCLB (and the Dept of Ed) and at least you get the ball rolling. The piddly cuts and the attack on earmarks are not even good enough to be called lip service.

Once those go down then we can talk about the big ones...but if we can't get rid of the easy stuff no one will accept their stuff get cut. You gotta give a little, take a little...
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Yes, this.
 
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How come it's not a problem when a prominent Republican goes on foreign soil and criticizes the president, but when a country singer does it she has committed treason?
 
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Priceless said:
How come it's not a problem when a prominent Republican goes on foreign soil and criticizes the president, but when a country singer does it she has committed treason?
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You're just noticing the right is laughably hypocritical?
 
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Kepler said:
You're just noticing the right is laughably hypocritical?
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No, I'm curious if her criticism of the president has even penetrated the Echo Chamber, or if they've heard about it and there's just a willful disconnect.
 
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Priceless said:
No, I'm curious if her criticism of the president has even penetrated the Echo Chamber, or if they've heard about it and there's just a willful disconnect.
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Asking whether the Echo Chamber audience is irrational or merely uninformed is one of those great philosophical "chicken or egg?" questions.

But then again: why not both? ;)
 
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good gosh. You're saying a Republican politician "criticized" a Democrat politician and nobody shot him yet? OUTRAGE!
where ya been for the last forever?
 
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Priceless said:
How come it's not a problem when a prominent Republican goes on foreign soil and criticizes the president, but when a country singer does it she has committed treason?
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Excellent question.

The other question I want answered is this: If we're in this era of shared sacrifice what sacrifice are those making 200,000 or more making?
 
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Let's see, Mr. Nobel Peace Prize winner has started his own little war and you guys are ruminating over what Sarah Palin said on foreign soil. Move along, nothing to see here.
 
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Point: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/21/exclusive-libyans-use-journalists-human-shields/

Counterpoint:
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Let's stop you right there. I know that you're a GOP mouthpiece and all, but let's not pretend that this is anything but an international situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973

This sort of an agreement would have meant something 8 years ago, and it means something now.
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Oh, so it's NOT his little war? Don't make me laugh. Why don't you just rewind all of his whiny anti-war statements from before he was elected, then explain to the rest of us how they aren't relevant any more. And, while you're at it, explain why the U.S. Congress has no role to play, or the War Powers Act (a copy of which lefty Democrats have under their pillows at night) doesn't apply. Actually, I support him here. But we can't just airbrush history. And I'm nobody's mouthpiece, lippy. Bush got congressional authorization for both Afghanistan and Iraq. And there were over a dozen UN Security Council resolutions about Iraq. I'm guessing you didn't think they were divine in those days. However, we all understand that 1973 IS the word of God. Clearly some wars are just better than others, especially the ones conducted by left wing presidents.
 
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France, Lebanon and the UK proposed UN intervention in Libya. Was the US, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, supposed to vote against it?

Show me a statement by Obama that military force is never, ever called for, and I'll agree with you. But given that (1) this was a UN resolution proposed by other nations, (2) the US is far from being the majority player here and (3) our entire role in the military action is to prevent Qaddafi from performing air strikes on his own people... yeah, I'd say that this falls outside of the scope of what Obama was talking about during the campaign (trying to end the military's role in rebuilding Iraq and, to a lesser extent, Afghanistan).
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
France, Lebanon and the UK proposed UN intervention in Libya. Was the US, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, supposed to vote against it?

Show me a statement by Obama that military force is never, ever called for, and I'll agree with you. But given that (1) this was a UN resolution proposed by other nations, (2) the US is far from being the majority player here and (3) our entire role in the military action is to prevent Qaddafi from performing air strikes on his own people... yeah, I'd say that this falls outside of the scope of what Obama was talking about during the campaign (trying to end the military's role in rebuilding Iraq and, to a lesser extent, Afghanistan).
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What I fear is the other countries backing down like the cowards most of them are and leaving us to clean up the mess.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
France, Lebanon and the UK proposed UN intervention in Libya. Was the US, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, supposed to vote against it?

Show me a statement by Obama that military force is never, ever called for, and I'll agree with you. But given that (1) this was a UN resolution proposed by other nations, (2) the US is far from being the majority player here and (3) our entire role in the military action is to prevent Qaddafi from performing air strikes on his own people... yeah, I'd say that this falls outside of the scope of what Obama was talking about during the campaign (trying to end the military's role in rebuilding Iraq and, to a lesser extent, Afghanistan).
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Have it your way. There isn't the teensiest bit of irony that this left wing, anti-war president now finds it necessary to bomb the crap out of Gadaffi. I say again, I think that's a terrific idea. That POS deserves getting dead for Lockerbie. I'm still sorry Ronnie the Popular missed. It's just that BHO's war is so much at variance with everything he's said or done both before and after he became president. And I categorically reject your middle school non sequitor that since I can't provide an example of BHO saying use of military force is "never" justified, that lets him off the hook here. It seems highly unlikely even you would be silly enough to believe that because it isn't true and no serious presidential candidate would ever say it. But I will agree with you that if Lebanon votes for something, then we're clearly obligated to follow up, no matter what the cost. Clearly the UN Charter trumps the Constitution.
 
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