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Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

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The difference is the left are big spenders while the right are big spenders and hypocrites.
 
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pirate said:
No, they both are hypocrites.
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I actually agree with you, but re: fiscal restraint, it's the GOP who is winning the "you dudes can say that with a straight face?" award.
 
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pirate said:
I had a guy tell me we'll be employed til we're 80 because there ain't many people behind us that can do math and complete a sentence...I'll post it in a minute but today the Army came out and said of the 25% of applicants who could pass the fitness, HS degree and no criminal charges filter, 30% couldn't pass the intelligence test. Passing, I believe, is getting, 30% of the questions right on the test. {heads off to find link}


http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...qQIwAA&usg=AFQjCNEYSyVkBjm3HAMlu_zI6QL2Zn1Jhg
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...OuuNRw?docId=c90a31f788054427ab6f7176f6c1d4c9

edit: my bad, it was 25% failing

Love the quote from our secretary of education...he is troubled by the burden of the uneducated young people our education system produces...gee, who is responsible for doing something about that????
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Wonkette 'splains it all.
 
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Kepler said:
I actually agree with you, but re: fiscal restraint, it's the GOP who is winning the "you dudes can say that with a straight face?" award.
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I think Obama gets that one for saying during the campaign that he wouldn't spend anything without matching cuts elsewhere. That may be the single most obviously ludicrous statement on fiscal responsibility I can recall, though I'm sure there's other good ones.
 
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pirate said:
I'm interested in them being fiscally responsible, they have to spend money, they just don't have to waste so much. I've worked in, started, taken over, owned, merged with, shut down and re-engineered companies, departments, divisions etc. and even the best run shop can stand a 5-10% reduction in expense with little impact to results. They will tell you that quality will suffer, morale will nosedive, customers will leave, progress will stop and they just can't do it with less. Then you tell them that if they can't you can find somebody who can in a few weeks and miraculously they can get the job done and spend less.

Now imagine none of those entities ever had to report a profit, never had to justify growth, never had to let somebody go, never had to take home less if they spent more, never had to effectively bid contracts, never had to tie promotions to revenue or profits, never had to hit a target to achieve a bonus...what % do you think could be reduced out of that organization with little impact to results?

I've seen irresponsible spending before...but usually it catches up with the person, department or company.

The complete lack of balls in DC is staggering and they keep coming back to 'Finance' (taxpayers) and saying they need more funding. Imagine how much more we could do for education, healthcare, SS etc. if we just had the fortitude to crank out 15% waste from the current budgets and redirect it where we have deficiencies?

But, that will never happen. Merry Christmas.
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One correction. They don't keep coming back to the taxpayers for more money. They just walk over to the Treasury Department and have them speed up the money printing presses a bit more. If only they had to go back to the taxpayers, at least there's be some slight bit of accountability.
 
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Bob Gray said:
One correction. They don't keep coming back to the taxpayers for more money. They just walk over to the Treasury Department and have them speed up the money printing presses a bit more. If only they had to go back to the taxpayers, at least there's be some slight bit of accountability.
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Correct. Though to be fair one big reason we are in this mess is 30 years of the GOP screaming at the top of its lungs "taxation is theft!!!!," while still writing the checks to keep the votes coming in.

The Dems were the ones who wanted to raise taxes to meet spending. That would have forced the taxpayer to choose: lower taxes or fewer goodies. In 1984 Walter Mondale exposed the fraud of Reaganomics by saying "If you let me write billions of dollars of hot checks I could give you the illusion of prosperity, too." But Reagan gave his avuncular "there you go again," people swooned, and too many people took the easy way out and voted for the fairy tale over the reality. Reagan gave Americans permission to be fiscally irresponsible by giving them a winning smile while smugly dismissing "tax and spend liberals."

Well, turns out "tax and spend" would have been infinitely better than "borrow and spend." Just like we've been telling you guys for three decades. Wanna listen, now? :)

You want spending to come down? Tax the ef out of people to cover it. Believe me, spending will come down. The middle class will abandon the poor in the first 8 seconds. All the Citizens United-fueled propaganda won't be enough to keep corporate welfare off the cutting room floor. And then the middle will start to sort which of their own goodies they are willing to pay for -- mortgage deduction? Social security? Medicare?

It won't be pretty, but it will be honest.
 
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Kepler said:
Correct. Though to be fair one big reason we are in this mess is 20 years of the GOP screaming at the top of its lungs "taxation is theft!!!!," while still writing the checks.
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Correct.
 
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Kepler said:
Correct. Though to be fair one big reason we are in this mess is 20 years of the GOP screaming at the top of its lungs "taxation is theft!!!!," while still writing the checks.

The Dems were the ones who wanted to raise taxes to meet spending. That would have forced the taxpayer to choose: lower taxes or fewer goodies. That would have been our accountability, right there.

I'm all for a balanced budget and a line item veto, starting... today. :)
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The Dems never wanted to raise taxes to meet spending. If they had raised taxes, they wouldn't have kept spending the same, they would have just raised spending even more. To argue otherwise is to ignore the last few decades of behavior in Congress.
 
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Bob Gray said:
The Dems never wanted to raise taxes to meet spending. If they had raised taxes, they wouldn't have kept spending the same, they would have just raised spending even more. To argue otherwise is to ignore the last few decades of behavior in Congress.
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LOL

The Republicans do the same thing while running on fiscal conservatism and taxation is robbery platforms.
 
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Kepler said:
The Dems were the ones who wanted to raise taxes to meet spending.
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Did taxes go up the last 2 years? Did they get rid of the tax cuts?. Why do taxes have to go up, why can't spending go down?
 
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walrus said:
Did taxes go up the last 2 years? Did they get rid of the tax cuts?. Why do taxes have to go up, why can't spending go down?
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Why can't my house payment go down?

The Bills are the Bills. Now if you want to cut entitlements and all government programs from the books for a few years to make up the trillions were in the hole, well, feel free. I've been advocating that for months.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
LOL

The Republicans do the same thing while running on fiscal conservatism and taxation is robbery platforms.
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The Republicans are bad on the issue also. Just saying both sides are bad on it, not that the Republicans are really bad and the Dems are just kind of bad. Maybe too subtle a point for some.
 
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The Republicans tried to fix taxation at an arbitrary rate and let spending vary according to public wants. The results were predictably catastrophic.

The solution is to peg taxation to spending. The public then will have to make choices about what it wants to fund knowing everything will come directly and immediately from our wallets.

The only way to enforce a speed limit is with sanctions.
 
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Kepler said:
The Republicans tried to fix taxation at an arbitrary rate and let spending vary according to public wants. The results were predictably catastrophic.

The solution is to peg taxation to spending. The public then will have to make choices about what it wants to fund knowing everything will come directly and immediately from their wallet.

The only way to enforce a speed limit is with sanctions.
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Or go back to the 1,000 points of light. Give back to the states everything except that that is truly federal and let them compete. We'll see how long Mississippi lasts before it goes bankrupt.
 
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Kepler said:
The Republicans tried to fix taxation at an arbitrary rate and let spending vary according to public wants. The results were predictably catastrophic.

The solution is to peg taxation to spending. The public now has to make choices about what it wants to fund knowing everything they approve will come directly and immediately from their wallet.

The only way to enforce a speed limit is with sanctions.
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You mean require a balanced budget? Someone should let the feds know about this novel idea.

Your idea is quite interesting. Have to think about that one a bit. Of course I'm sure whatever system was put in place to do that, would be monumentally messed around with by both sides to forward their agendas and partisan politics. But in concept it sounds interesting.
 
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