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Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

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No educational "system" can make up for a home environment where education is not valued. In fact, the success of any system is predicated on parents and kids putting in the work. It's good to have educational resources available for people who would otherwise not be able to afford them -- outposts of civilization in the benighted wildernesses of the inner city or "the idiocy of the countryside." But it's still not magic. You can wire a house perfectly but if the parents leave Junior alone by the outlet with a fork, it will not end well.

"Life is like a sewer... what you get out of it depends on what you put into it." -- Tom Lehrer
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Absolutely. We do a great job. It's all about trendlines though and all of them are moving in the wrong direction.
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Let's recall though that you started this argument by complaining about the debt, and saying you wish you had moved.

So where would you rather be living?
 
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WeWantMore said:
Let's recall though that you started this argument by complaining about the debt, and saying you wish you had moved.

So where would you rather be living?
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Useless without pictures.

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Bob Gray said:
Most kids don't want to go into those fields because they are hard. There are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions.
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We have plenty of doctors and even more people willing to become doctors. We don't have enough general practice/primary care doctors, which is a salary issue, not an educational one.

As for engineers, there might be a point there, though I still think it's somewhat misleading.
 
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UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing said:
What? Parental involvement in their children's education? Insanity, I tell you, insanity!
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yah, people around here tell me I'm unrealistic, so I guess I shouldn't expect parents to make their kids' education more of a priority, and be supportive of the teacher rather than their kid when there is a discipline problem.
 
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unofan said:
We have plenty of doctors and even more people willing to become doctors. We don't have enough general practice/primary care doctors, which is a salary issue, not an educational one.

As for engineers, there might be a point there, though I still think it's somewhat misleading.
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obviously my statement was very broad and there are exceptions, but there are good paying jobs out there that are very hard to fill in a variety of fields, and at least some of it is people don't go into those fields and get the proper training to be able to apply for the jobs
 
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I don't have data, just perception and personal experience...if you tried to hire 10 coders, systems architects or database engineers, I suspect you would run 90/10 on candidates from outside the US. I think I've heard a fair amount about doctors, don't recall any specialities, just doctors in general
 
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geezer said:
Surprise! The rust belt is still rusting apace. But TX is doing OK.
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The blue states lose and the red states gain, but as high income, high education people move into the red states, they begin to move towards blue (the NoVa Effect). It's essentially the spread of literacy.
 
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I'd like to see the stark contrast between 2000-2007, and 2008-2010.
 
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Kepler said:
The blue states lose and the red states gain, but as high income, high education people move into the red states, they begin to move towards blue (the NoVa Effect). It's essentially the spread of literacy.
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according to, I think it was Slate's commentary, the libs have been moving to the cities and suburbs of TX and NV, etc where they'll continue to be corralled into little gerrymandered districts like in FL... so partywise, huge advantage R, since they control redistricting in the states gaining seats.
 
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Kepler said:
The blue states lose and the red states gain, but as high income, high education people move into the red states, they begin to move towards blue (the NoVa Effect). It's essentially the spread of literacy.
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sounds more like they screw up the places they were in and then move elsewhere where they eventually create the same problems they ran away from in their former environs. maybe some sort of quarantine is called for.:p
 
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Bob Gray said:
sounds more like they screw up the places they were in and then move elsewhere where they eventually create the same problems they ran away from in their former environs. maybe some sort of quarantine is called for.:p
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With border guards and a fence!

Oh wait...
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Can someone give me the reader's digest version of the net neutrality regulations voted on today? Seems like a good idea on the surface. What the pros/cons of it?
 
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Bob Gray said:
yah, people around here tell me I'm unrealistic, so I guess I shouldn't expect parents to make their kids' education more of a priority, and be supportive of the teacher rather than their kid when there is a discipline problem.
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Yeah that wont happen...
 
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Bob Gray said:
yah, people around here tell me I'm unrealistic, so I guess I shouldn't expect parents to make their kids' education more of a priority, and be supportive of the teacher rather than their kid when there is a discipline problem.
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I promise you my three are growing up in that environment...I figure it will be easier for them to succeed while their peers are literally fat, dumb and happy watching DWTS 2030 and playing PS12 simultaneously as Shamrock shakes are injected directly into their stomachs.
 
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Kepler said:
The blue states lose and the red states gain, but as high income, high education people move into the red states, they begin to move towards blue (the NoVa Effect). It's essentially the spread of literacy.
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The same NoVa that's told what to think by Stewart and Colbert?

edit: is it literacy that I have to see out my window at work in the blue state?
 
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Obama: Hey, Gitmo's not that bad!

The Obama administration is preparing an executive order that would formalize indefinite detention without trial for some detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but allow those detainees and their lawyers to challenge the basis for continued incarceration, U.S. officials said.
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*Shakes fist* Cheney!!!!!
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

It's official. Obama is just like Bush. Except Europe loves him and even more people hate him than hated Bush. At least Bush had his loyalists.
 
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