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Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

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Yeah, and I sure voted for 'em. But, fine, then no American's want to pay their bill. Dumbest move I ever made is staying here and not moving somewhere else long ago.

Because the rest of the world is doing great!
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

For the love of God...is there any politician out there worth 1/10th of the money they make in office?
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Mmmhmmm. So tell me where you would rather live?

China... because when they cook the numbers they do it great (or did one really think China would allow a backwater school to be tested/sampled)
 
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Getting our *** kicked in education and infrastructure by a number of nations.

that is only because the tests aren't fair...they are biased against people who don't know much...we'll quickly apologize for that, fix the tests so that the smartest kid and the most truant kid get the same score and call it a success
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

that is only because the tests aren't fair...they are biased against people who don't know much...we'll quickly apologize for that, fix the tests so that the smartest kid and the most truant kid get the same score and call it a success

That's exactly what the NCLB law does. Good summary.
 
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Getting our *** kicked in education and infrastructure by a number of nations.
If you name a bunch of homogenous Eurozone nations when I ask "which ones?", I don't believe you would be applying a fair comparison. It costs a ****load of money to build and maintain the necessary infrastructure to support a country the size of the US. It also costs a ****load to educate a country that draws in a ton of immigrants each year, many of whom cannot speak English particularly well.

We are far from perfect, but I think we do a pretty **** good job all things considered - and after all, we must be doing something right, otherwise all these people wouldn't be trying to get into the country - legally or otherwise.
 
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Not our kids and their kids.
I think you're optimistic in a roundabout way here. Do you think the debt we have will ONLY negatively impact future generations? That current ones will manage to get by without any difficulties? I tend to think without some bold action on the budget - and soon - foreign investors who are bankrolling this debt will lose confidence. When that happens, say goodbye to these historically low rates and say hello to budget-busting debt servicing costs that could easily consume over 1/4 the federal budget.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

If you name a bunch of homogenous Eurozone nations when I ask "which ones?", I don't believe you would be applying a fair comparison. It costs a ****load of money to build and maintain the necessary infrastructure to support a country the size of the US. It also costs a ****load to educate a country that draws in a ton of immigrants each year, many of whom cannot speak English particularly well.

We are far from perfect, but I think we do a pretty **** good job all things considered - and after all, we must be doing something right, otherwise all these people wouldn't be trying to get into the country - legally or otherwise.

Absolutely. We do a great job. It's all about trendlines though and all of them are moving in the wrong direction.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Absolutely. We do a great job. It's all about trendlines though and all of them are moving in the wrong direction.

Does everybody else think we do a good job preparing our kids for the current job market? By that I mean parents, kids, schools and society in general. We have lots of kids in college but still can't find enough doctors, systems engineers etc. High paying jobs, jobs that have been at the top of the list for decades yet we can't produce the talent internally. I don't think our students are inherently less capable than those from other places...yet we continue to produce 20th century majors in a 21st century workplace.

I have no problem with a kid studying whatever they want but if colleges can raise their tuition every year and the government funds the education through taking on more debt, should there be no expectation that we have some alignment with the job market?
 
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For what we spend on education, and for all the talk about valuing education, we do a pretty lousy job. Every teacher I know now or have known in recent history just rolls their eyes when asked about the state of our education system and whether kids are being educated well or if there's a modicum of discipline in the classroom anymore. A number of them have jumped ship and are doing something else that's less frustrating and pays better. Of course it's a complicated subject, with parents bearing a good chunk of the responsibility. But, at the end of the day, it certainly could be worse, but it's by no means good or improving from everything I hear or have seen.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

Does everybody else think we do a good job preparing our kids for the current job market? By that I mean parents, kids, schools and society in general. We have lots of kids in college but still can't find enough doctors, systems engineers etc. High paying jobs, jobs that have been at the top of the list for decades yet we can't produce the talent internally. I don't think our students are inherently less capable than those from other places...yet we continue to produce 20th century majors in a 21st century workplace.

I have no problem with a kid studying whatever they want but if colleges can raise their tuition every year and the government funds the education through taking on more debt, should there be no expectation that we have some alignment with the job market?
Most kids don't want to go into those fields because they are hard. There are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

The education system is a mess and is only going to get worse the more and more that it is based on an arbitrary set of guidelines. Linking funding to those guidelines will be the real killer though.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

The education system is a mess and is only going to get worse the more and more that it is based on an arbitrary set of guidelines. Linking funding to those guidelines will be the real killer though.

The real killer is an education system and parents that don't truly make a good education for children a high priority. Bad guidelines are just icing on the cake.
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

The education system is a mess and is only going to get worse the more and more that it is based on an arbitrary set of guidelines. Linking funding to those guidelines will be the real killer though.

Well that and the losers we let be teachers these days.:p
 
Re: Obama XVIII : Now with 100% more Gov't sponsored starvation

The real killer is an education system and parents that don't truly make a good education for children a high priority. Bad guidelines are just icing on the cake.

What? Parental involvement in their children's education? Insanity, I tell you, insanity!
 
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