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Obama XV: Now, with 20% more rage

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Most liberals in the MSM (now there's a redundancy) use terms like "extreme right wing" and "extreme conservatives" without ever considering that symmetry dictates there has to be an "extreme left wing" or "extreme liberals." No sir.

Extreme conservatives? Preachers who burn other religious books or tell us how 'God hates fags'. Islamic terrorists. Folks against abortion who kill doctors.

Extreme liberals? I guess primarily our 'socialist' president who just introduced a huge tax break program for business.
 
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So basically, every critique of the far right must be accompanied by another on of the extreme left? Everytime someone mentions one group's first amendment rights, they have to also mention the first amendments rights of their opposition?

You aren't actually getting your knickers in a twist over this, are you? This is starting to sound like affirmative action for political threads.

As an aside: The fact that it would be un-Constitutional for the government to step in and deny "Jihad City"* really can't be stated enough. Especially since keeping the government out of where it doesn't belong is supposedly one of the hallmarks of modern conservatism. Or are there exceptions to be made in cases where the Constitution is crystal clear about the government not getting involved? As a <strike>moderate liberal</strike> filthy, rotten communist who hates America, I don't get those memos, you know.

In either case, the logic doesn't exactly follow if we say that any time a politician acknowleges that it would be un-Constitutional for them to step in and block the project, that it is tantamount to supporting it. They are in no way the same thing.

* How do I know I'm crazy? I'm trying to argue with a guy who uses terms like this...

Yeah, yeah... You have a huge ego. That's nice.

Here's a little challenge for you: provide me with the name of one person who has suggested that "government" stop the building of this Islamist middle finger to America. That's a total strawman, and you know it.

As to your other "analysis" you've got my points exactly. As far as the MSM is concerned, I would be delighted if they EVER criticized the far left, never mind balance with their criticism of the far right.

It would be nice if all of these newly converted proponants of the First Amendment (when it comes to Muslims) were a little more tolerant of, say, Jews and Christians and their rights to practice their religions.

Did you mean to compare First Amendment rights with "affirmative action?" Really? As to my knickers, they're in good order, thank you. It's you who seems agitated at the terms of derision I use to describe this project. I use them because I think it's backers are lying about their motivations and because I know it offends Johnny come lately First Amendment die hards like you. We'll wait while you check the condition of your u-trou.

I must say your powers of observation need some work. The only people I call Communists are, you know, Communists. John Reed, the Rosenbergs, Alger Hiss, The Hollywood Ten, etc. It's not a term I throw around lightly. But go on suggesting I do, you hear?

Finally, Euthyphro, wherever did you get that keen insight into what a conservative is supposed to believe?
 
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Conservatives vs. JFK:
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As with all else, these guys will use any tool to hand.
 
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But we were talking about taxes, therefore middle class would be defined purely by the income tax bracket you are in.

I would argue we shouldn't be playing favorites by bracketing tax rates based on arbitrary definitions of "class".
 
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Remember how taking over health care was supposed to "bend the cost curve down"? That was a big fail. What a surprise!
 
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I think this is a great video on the current situation of our education system is in throughout this country:
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Drugs supplier is murderous cartels, and again I fail to see how that changes under legalization.

Rover, you work for the DEA? :)

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2735017&page=2
2006 spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Agency, says groups that advocate its taxation sometimes paint too rosy a picture.

"It's not these cute mom-and-pop bong shops anymore," Courtney continued. "It's violent drug-trafficking groups that are doing all these grows."

Local marijuana growers, he says, are the tentacles of international drug-trafficking organizations that bring weapons, violence and a slew of other drugs into the market.

"You can't tax a Mexican drug trafficking group," Courtney explains. "That's the side a lot of people don't focus on."

2010 oakland votes to permit marijuana farms. I thought Oakland was infested with drugs and related "farmer" gangs.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-07-21-oakland-pot-farms_N.htm
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Oakland has moved closer to becoming the first city in the United States to authorize wholesale pot cultivation.

The plants would not be limited in size — one potential applicant for a license wants to open a plant that would produce over 21,000 pounds of pot a year — but they would be heavily taxed and regulated.

Those vying for one of the four licenses would have to pay $211,000 in annual permit fees, carry $2 million worth of liability insurance and be prepared to devote up to 8% of gross sales to taxes.

Proponents of the measure also touted the possibility of Oakland becoming the U.S. cannabis capital, especially if California voters approve the legalization of recreational marijuana in November.
 
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I've made this kind of judgement many times. As a News Director I wouldn't send reporters to cover a PETA event or a Phelps event and I wouldn't send them to cover this guy. There are ways to tell this story without giving him what he wants--which is his stupid face on TV or on the radio.

I saw some tape of this azzhat claiming he "didn't like to do interviews." Really? Then why are you out here? Why don't you just stay inside your "church?" Why do none of the media have any difficulties whatsoever in lining you up for yet another photo op? I still do a weekly segment on my old station in Omaha and early this morning predicted this piece of crap wouldn't burn any Korans. As of this afternoon he's had a "revelation" or something and now plans not to.

Years ago Henry Lee Lucas led the media and the cops around by their noses (or some other body part) for months, claiming to have murdered dozens (hundreds?) of girls in Texas. At the end of the day, the only murder he was charged/convicted of was his mother and perhaps a handful of others. And even those were so ambiguous, Bush commuted his death sentence (the only time that's happened since the death penalty was restored in Texas back in the '80's).

It is a well known phenomenon in TV coverage that the "demonstrators" start raising Cain only when the cameras show up. Prior to the arrival of the media they're standing around drinking lattes and smoking. Whether its civil rights or death penalty or just about any controversial issue, they're only there to get their faces on T and V. Once the media leave, so do they.
 
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Here's a little challenge for you: provide me with the name of one person who has suggested that "government" stop the building of this Islamist middle finger to America.
Well, Newt Gingerich, for one. He keeps saying that the government should decalre Ground Zero a war memorial (although the mosque/community center wouldn't actually be on the grounds... sort of a loop in that argument). Plus, there's this:
The point here (why do I have to keep repeating this) is that the elitists who are backing this project (and that includes the mayor and BO) somehow fail to mention that opponants of "Six Flags Over Mecca" have a right to protest.
Let's break it down as simply as we can, using Obama as an example (I don't know as much about what Bloomberg said): Obama stated his position quite clearly a few weeks ago. (1) They have the same religious rights as the rest of us, and thus have the freedom to build their mosque/community center. To coin a phrase, he pleaded the first amendment. When he took heat for that, he clarified that (2) the location was in fact in bad taste.

You've very clearly stated (above) that you think that Obama is backing the project. Not steering clear of the project. Not ignoring the project. Not staying out of it and letting other people take care of it. Not even supporting the project. Backing the project. Your words.

So, assuming that you are once again making your points implicity and not flat out stating where you stand, let's ask the obvious question: what would Obama have to do in order to not fit your definition of "backing" the project? Obama not doing anything about it obviously isn't your answer. So, by every form of logic known to man, the answer is for Obama to somehow get involved. Perhaps you mean that he should perhaps make some sort of statement (like he has done with the Quran burner in Florida), but I'll eat my hat if that's enough to actually stop the mosque from being built.

Did you mean to compare First Amendment rights with "affirmative action?" Really?
I didn't compare first amendment rights to affirmative action. I compared affirmative action to your repeated complaining about inequities in the MSM, or your "Six Flags Over Mecca" comment I quoted above.

Finally, Euthyphro, wherever did you get that keen insight into what a conservative is supposed to believe?
Saying that a conservative prefers to limit the power of the government isn't exactly "keen insight". In fact, I'd say that it's about as insightful as "socialists don't mind paying high taxes" or "Christians worship Jesus Christ as their savior".
 
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100908/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_fidel_castro

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2010090...anisraelcastropoliticsreligion_20100908180307

Something is going on... I want to know what... yeah, I have no means to find out... but something is going here... I don't know if its an anti-Chavez pushback or something else... but Cuba doesn't exactly open up like this.

I'm going to have to get some news and opinions on this from the family. we've still got cousins in Cuba...not that they'll know what's going in his bat**** mind but they may have better ideas

Castro always has an agenda...not sure what it could be right now though I note he is still embracing socialism so he hasn't seen the light just yet.
 
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Well, Newt Gingerich, for one. He keeps saying that the government should decalre Ground Zero a war memorial (although the mosque/community center wouldn't actually be on the grounds... sort of a loop in that argument). Plus, there's this:
Let's break it down as simply as we can, using Obama as an example (I don't know as much about what Bloomberg said): Obama stated his position quite clearly a few weeks ago. (1) They have the same religious rights as the rest of us, and thus have the freedom to build their mosque/community center. To coin a phrase, he pleaded the first amendment. When he took heat for that, he clarified that (2) the location was in fact in bad taste.

You've very clearly stated (above) that you think that Obama is backing the project. Not steering clear of the project. Not ignoring the project. Not staying out of it and letting other people take care of it. Not even supporting the project. Backing the project. Your words.

So, assuming that you are once again making your points implicity and not flat out stating where you stand, let's ask the obvious question: what would Obama have to do in order to not fit your definition of "backing" the project? Obama not doing anything about it obviously isn't your answer. So, by every form of logic known to man, the answer is for Obama to somehow get involved. Perhaps you mean that he should perhaps make some sort of statement (like he has done with the Quran burner in Florida), but I'll eat my hat if that's enough to actually stop the mosque from being built.

I didn't compare first amendment rights to affirmative action. I compared affirmative action to your repeated complaining about inequities in the MSM, or your "Six Flags Over Mecca" comment I quoted above.


Saying that a conservative prefers to limit the power of the government isn't exactly "keen insight". In fact, I'd say that it's about as insightful as "socialists don't mind paying high taxes" or "Christians worship Jesus Christ as their savior".

Is declaring GZ a war memorial the same as prohibiting the backers from building their little club house? Truly, I'm not aware that Gingrich has suggested that, are you sure? And if we can establish that Gingrich has actually suggested government prohibit the construction of Jihadland, then your challenge becomes to name two people who have advocated that.

No one is suggesting or has suggested that "government" get involved in this matter from the standpoint of stopping the construction of the facility (you like that better?). Now opponants of the facility having been doing what opponants of all sorts of projects always do, they've availed themselves of the tools we give them to delay or kill a project, if legally possible. "Community organizers" do this every single day all across the country. So suddenly, in this case, that strategy is wrong. Why? Houses of worship of all denominations run into objections to plans for expansion or new construction every single day. Impact on traffic. Zoning. Neighborhood continuity. These are all cited by opponants as reasons why the expansion/construction shouldn't be "allowed." Somehow, in this case, involving an Islamic center, we have to automatically roll over and approve their plans lest we be accused of "Islamophobia."

Actually "the smartest leader in the history of the world" made a statement that everybody in attendance thought was approval of the building of Islamotran. All the NY papers (including the lying Times) put that on the front page of their Saturday editions, and many of BO's sycophants in the media immediately pronounced it one of his greatest moments. Moment turned out to be correct, since he walked back from his "greatest moment" almost immediately and had various WH toadies clarify his remarks (TWICE).

I should think someone allegedly as smart as our president should be able to feed something into his teleprompter that gives us a little exegesis on the First Amendment while at the same time making it clear he opposes the building of this Islamist Victory Arch. He had no difficulty whatsoever making clear what his view was of the Cambridge PD.

As to "affirmative action," I get it. When the MSM lie or report (as is customary) from a lefty perspective, we're not supposed to notice. And we're not supposed to complain. And we certainly shouldn't expect them to cut it out. To do so, is to establish some sort of "affirmative action," which conservatives generally don't like. Oh my, a "dual standard," har, har, har. Of course, I have a higher view of journalism than equating it with giving away government cheese, but if you want to conflate the two, knock yourself out. At least you're not denying MSM bias, for which you get points.

Finally, sniffed out the sarcasm, did you?
 
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