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Obama XV: Now, with 20% more rage

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Kepler said:
I think you point's well taken for parties (the GOP was never supposed to recover from Watergate, the GOP was supposed to have a permanent majority with the Southern Strategy) but as for specific politicians, Nixon's an exceptional case. Like a cockroach, he could have survived a nuclear strike. He was the Republican Marion Barry.
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Tricky's not around to defend himself, but that's a really cheap shot. Nobody ever accused Berry of being smart, whereas Nixon (as I've posted about a zillion times previously) is NEVER included on that laminated card with the names of Republicans "too stupid to be president" it seems all Dems carry around in their wallets.

Plus, for NFL fans living in league cities, remember it was Nixon who got the local blackouts lifted because he wanted to watch the Skins. Somehow Pete Rozelle got the message when Nixon suggested he wanted to see those games (and may have mentioned a few of the federal agencies he headed and just how complicated he could make things for the NFL if he wanted).

The cockroach analogy is more on point. I remember when Nixon passed away, Clinton mentioned that he had consulted with him several times. All of the usual suspects reacted in just the way you'd expect. But, high marks for Clinton for doing it and admitting it. Here's a guy whose foreign policy experience consisted of having eaten at IHOP, why wouldn't he check in from time to time if he felt he needed it with the best foreign policy president of my lifetime? You take your help where you can get it.

Anyway, Nixon WAS a unique case and sadly '68 was a unique year. But as Nixon wrote in "Six Crises," (I'm paraphrasing) nobody should think of themselves as destined to be president. But those who think they've got a shot need to be ready. He was ready. And probably still is.
 
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off of CBN news...just caught this clip. It's a bit scary I think in terms of having people "police themselves" and setting up their own laws/countries within countries etc.

by no means do I feel this could happen here in the U.S., well not to this degree, but I think it's important to watch this debate unfold and see where it leads

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/
 
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solovsfett said:
off of CBN news...just caught this clip. It's a bit scary I think in terms of having people "police themselves" and setting up their own laws/countries within countries etc.

by no means do I feel this could happen here in the U.S., well not to this degree, but I think it's important to watch this debate unfold and see where it leads

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/
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Traditionally we've torn places like these asunder... the latest was Warren Jeffs insano-mormon-love playground and crematorium.

That being said, could enclaves like that exist in the US... not so much as enforced by those living there... but yes, I could see as such in "unpolicable" areas such as parts of Los Angeles.

This is more Europe's problem more than anything else... their elites look at the US from the multicultural perspective and say "why can't we be that"... while at the same time deriding us for being racists (naturally). So, they look to their nearest neighboring group of low skilled non-European persons and import them like crazy. All the while since they assume they are the dominant culture, naturally they will keep control.

The major difference besides issues of nationality and citizenship is that the Arab culture is well-developed and done so by Islam. The Latin American world is largely undeveloped by any one core ideology other than "out for myself"... as such they don't become an issue besides the loose issues of their cultures, which are significant mind you but they aren't unifying.

What we're seeing in Paris is an inescapable future of Europe as they resolve the nature of Islam as its presenting itself along with various birth rates. The problem is that they aren't taking on the European culture but rather they have maintained their own... and worse, in many ways they are redoubling. While Muslim Arabs do modify their cultures a bit this has more to do with specific tastes and not the social mores. I think the Arab societies, due to their geography, tends to be urban societies so its not surprising they adapt to the urban cores... they'll buy their clothes from the Gap and yak away on their Droids while chastising their sisters for going out at 5PM without a male relative and calling them a whore for showing their hair... and that blond Swedish ***** better cover up or a few of us boys will teach her manners.

Its an ugly thing that's going down... no amount of relativism will cure it... it will get ugly... especially if we keep apologizing for the nature and the teachings of Islam. Its a catastrophe in slow motion... but it will be that much... a catastrophe.
 
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Patman said:
Traditionally we've torn places like these asunder... the latest was Warren Jeffs insano-mormon-love playground and crematorium.

That being said, could enclaves like that exist in the US... not so much as enforced by those living there... but yes, I could see as such in "unpolicable" areas such as parts of Los Angeles.

This is more Europe's problem more than anything else... their elites look at the US from the multicultural perspective and say "why can't we be that"... while at the same time deriding us for being racists (naturally). So, they look to their nearest neighboring group of low skilled non-European persons and import them like crazy. All the while since they assume they are the dominant culture, naturally they will keep control.

The major difference besides issues of nationality and citizenship is that the Arab culture is well-developed and done so by Islam. The Latin American world is largely undeveloped by any one core ideology other than "out for myself"... as such they don't become an issue besides the loose issues of their cultures, which are significant mind you but they aren't unifying.

What we're seeing in Paris is an inescapable future of Europe as they resolve the nature of Islam as its presenting itself along with various birth rates. The problem is that they aren't taking on the European culture but rather they have maintained their own... and worse, in many ways they are redoubling. While Muslim Arabs do modify their cultures a bit this has more to do with specific tastes and not the social mores. I think the Arab societies, due to their geography, tends to be urban societies so its not surprising they adapt to the urban cores... they'll buy their clothes from the Gap and yak away on their Droids while chastising their sisters for going out at 5PM without a male relative and calling them a whore for showing their hair... and that blond Swedish ***** better cover up or a few of us boys will teach her manners.

Its an ugly thing that's going down... no amount of relativism will cure it... it will get ugly... especially if we keep apologizing for the nature and the teachings of Islam. Its a catastrophe in slow motion... but it will be that much... a catastrophe.
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yes, I think the Europeans have made it extremely tough now going forward to have assimilation. and the tough talking pols like Geert Wilders receive death threats up the wazoo and considering the case of Theo Van Gogh, if I'm Wilders I'd take this pretty **** seriously.

I don't see a lot of reconciliation going on, but a lot of in-your-face we do what we want, when we want and how we want, and we don't care what you think or have to say... your country or our country we're just doing it.
 
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solovsfett said:
yes, I think the Europeans have made it extremely tough now going forward to have assimilation. and the tough talking pols like Geert Wilders receive death threats up the wazoo and considering the case of Theo Van Gogh, if I'm Wilders I'd take this pretty **** seriously.

I don't see a lot of reconciliation going on, but a lot of in-your-face we do what we want, when we want and how we want, and we don't care what you think or have to say... your country or our country we're just doing it.
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Van Gogh should have been a wake up call... but the ******* alarm clock should have done off with Pim Fortuyn was murdered. He was basically murdered because some guy decided that there were ideas that shouldn't be mentioned nor entertained. Not many political leaders get wiped out for what they think. The person who killed him felt he was saving the Muslim population from persecution. Not even admitting that there is in fact things that go on that are beyond just the standard boilerplate of society issues that we've gotten used to in the post-WWII world.

Wilders is probably the only hope it all goes down peacefully... though I'm sure if I told that to a European they'd tell me I've lost my mind. Wilders is a man of Europe... while he has said some tough things, especially on immigration, there will be much worse and actually racist behind him. Wilders actually has no problem with peaceful assimilation... but he believes that such things are farce as they are right now (as in, its not assimilation). Wilders would have no power if the Muslim stripe westernized... and generally I think he himself would back down if that occurred. He's been proposing himself as a defender of the liberal society and as such isn't your typical "right" politician. The funny thing is that he's pointing out the illiberal portions and the authorities aren't taking kindly to being told that they are wrong and stupid... see, they don't mind being wrong so much but speaking out of turn is a personal offense. The usual "get of my way, don't you know how awesome/moral I am".

The other people, Le Pen and some of those David Duke associates in Belgium and the rest (its been awhile since I've taken a look at Euro politics) are filthy humans but they are the ones who will take the mantle should Wilders fail... and I don't think anybody wants that because theirs is as much a totalitarian regime as is Islam as is socialism. These are the people I fear and the worse and weirder it gets the more it bears into such awful people.
 
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Patman said:
Van Gogh should have been a wake up call... but the ******* alarm clock should have done off with Pim Fortuyn was murdered. He was basically murdered because some guy decided that there were ideas that shouldn't be mentioned nor entertained. Not many political leaders get wiped out for what they think. The person who killed him felt he was saving the Muslim population from persecution. Not even admitting that there is in fact things that go on that are beyond just the standard boilerplate of society issues that we've gotten used to in the post-WWII world.

Wilders is probably the only hope it all goes down peacefully... though I'm sure if I told that to a European they'd tell me I've lost my mind. Wilders is a man of Europe... while he has said some tough things, especially on immigration, there will be much worse and actually racist behind him. Wilders actually has no problem with peaceful assimilation... but he believes that such things are farce as they are right now (as in, its not assimilation). Wilders would have no power if the Muslim stripe westernized... and generally I think he himself would back down if that occurred. He's been proposing himself as a defender of the liberal society and as such isn't your typical "right" politician. The funny thing is that he's pointing out the illiberal portions and the authorities aren't taking kindly to being told that they are wrong and stupid... see, they don't mind being wrong so much but speaking out of turn is a personal offense. The usual "get of my way, don't you know how awesome/moral I am".

The other people, Le Pen and some of those David Duke associates in Belgium and the rest (its been awhile since I've taken a look at Euro politics) are filthy humans but they are the ones who will take the mantle should Wilders fail... and I don't think anybody wants that because theirs is as much a totalitarian regime as is Islam as is socialism. These are the people I fear and the worse and weirder it gets the more it bears into such awful people.
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totally agree on Pim Fortuyn, should have been one of the first alarms. van der graaf got 16 or 18 years for that, I don't recall exactly, and given how murderers over here many times get off much easier I'd take that as a *decent* albeit not the best punishment (life w/out parole would have been better, or death sentence but that's the "wingnut" in me)


I hope Wilders can be a voice to lead the Dutch through w/out getting killed and w/out giving rise or more voice to nutcases on either side (though that appear to be happening).

as for Le Pen I'm unfamiliar with who that is
 
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solovsfett said:
as for Le Pen I'm unfamiliar with who that is
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French far right... the right-wing parties in Europe aren't exactly like American conservatives... they trend nationalistic as opposed to libertarian.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
That's different?
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The American right talks libertarian and acts authoritarian. The Euros don't ef around, guys like Le Pen practically goose step during campaign appearances. So in regards to their rhetoric, yeah, they're different. :p
 
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Old Pio said:
But those who think they've got a shot need to be ready. He was ready. And probably still is.
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Also rested, and tanned. :p

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The "too stupid to be president" card might be a tad overused (for Quayle and Dubya it was right on point, but Reagan was no dumber than the average Trumanesque prez), but when you have people like Palin in the spotlight, honestly, you can't complain.
 
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Kepler said:
Also rested, and tanned. :p

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The "too stupid to be president" card might be a tad overused (for Quayle and Dubya it was right on point, but Reagan was no dumber than the average Trumanesque prez), but when you have people like Palin in the spotlight, honestly, you can't complain.
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And he was doing so well...
 
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WeWantMore said:
And he was doing so well...
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. . .big, ugly sucker with Marfan's Syndrome and a wart on his nose, didn't even go to college, home schooled in a log cabin, self taught lawyer. . .he's gotta be too stupid to be president. Plus, his wife is nuttier than Aunt Martha's pecan divinity. Let me just pull out my wallet and check the card. . .
 
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Kepler said:
Also rested, and tanned. :p

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The "too stupid to be president" card might be a tad overused (for Quayle and Dubya it was right on point, but Reagan was no dumber than the average Trumanesque prez), but when you have people like Palin in the spotlight, honestly, you can't complain.
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NIXON'S BACK!
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Proposal... instead of the Dem mantra being "we're going to save you from yourself"... I think we'll see it become, at least until after the mid-terms... "we're going to save you from ourselves"... they'll run counter to themselves and see how many fish bite. Its what usually happens when "repackaging" fails... the goal is always power in the end because you can't do anything without it... and they've made it clear that they have a lot to do.
 
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Patman said:
Proposal... instead of the Dem mantra being "we're going to save you from yourself"... I think we'll see it become, at least until after the mid-terms... "we're going to save you from ourselves"... they'll run counter to themselves and see how many fish bite. Its what usually happens when "repackaging" fails... the goal is always power in the end because you can't do anything without it... and they've made it clear that they have a lot to do.
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I think that for people like Obama, Pelosi and the true Alinsky-type believers there's no other POV but "we're going to save you from yourself" "your dumb, listen to us we know what's right and good for you"

any practical democrats left (how many voted against healthcare?) are going to find it difficult to muster an argument that can win because Obama is quickly becoming the new Bush in terms of his image tarnishing his party (except O is lucky in that the media acts as if it's state controlled when a D is in high office so the only place he gets beat up for his performance is on radio or Fox, as opposed to the zillions of outlets that dissected Bush and immolated the pieces)
 
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