Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

[pirate]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Who said anything about fair? I don't play that game.

Politics isn't fair, and nobody knows that better than Fox, where it seems the main criteria for newsworthiness is whether a story is useful, rather than whether it's true.

So I'm not going to shed any tears for them. They're adults. They know the game they're playing.

Fox is clearly to the right...do you think the other stations are in the middle or to the left?

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Yes. Another fine example of Obama transparency, or lack thereof (and another broken campaign promise)... Obama's failure to release the letters of his approval of releasing the Lockerbie Bomber.

I mean, gosh, we all know Obama is an islamic panderer and American Apologist, but really for someone who was deemed so "bright and intelligent" by the leftist media... you'd think Obama would have used better discretion on this one. Give the man another Nobel!

Ahhh...more easily refuted conservative lies and stupidity:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/26/lockerbie.scotland.senate/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Nice to see you give aide and comfort to the terrorists though. Time to be a man, step up to the plate eagles, and admit to your treasonous commentary.

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Lets keep in mind since Friday its been shown that Sherrod is in fact a racist... I mean who else thinks Breitbart wants to "get us stuck back in the time of slavery" (Anderson Cooper 360 07/22/10)... or how about the other whoppers like opposition to universal healthcare is racist amongst other things.

I'd say somebody who edits a clip to make it look like a black person hates whites qualifies as a racist. Same as if a black host edited a tape to make it look like a white person hated blacks. If the shoe fits...

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I'd say somebody who edits a clip to make it look like a black person hates whites qualifies as a racist. Same as if a black host edited a tape to make it look like a white person hated blacks. If the shoe fits...

Hell, they don't even edit the tapes. They just snap their fingers and *poof* they're racists.

I don't see the person who edited the video as a racist. Just a scumbag who destroyed any shred of credibility he had.

 

[Patman]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

I'd say somebody who edits a clip to make it look like a black person hates whites qualifies as a racist. Same as if a black host edited a tape to make it look like a white person hated blacks. If the shoe fits...

and since it doesn't...

you have no problem with Ms. Sherrod's racism?

 

[amherstblackbear]

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Fox is clearly to the right...do you think the other stations are in the middle or to the left?

Sure, but I think that's misleading. The differences between Fox and the other channels are more interesting than their similarities (they're both cable channels).

QUICK! What's the last political firestorm that resulted from a story that broke on MSNBC?

Love it or hate it, Fox is an agenda-setter in American politics. MSNBC is mostly irrelevant to those who don't watch it, and CNN is too muddled/incoherent to even have a clear agenda.

Again...Fox is interesting because it's a bona fide political player, not because it employs newscasters like Shep Smith.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Sure, but I think that's misleading. The differences between Fox and the other channels are more interesting than their similarities (they're both cable channels).

QUICK! What's the last political firestorm that resulted from a story that broke on MSNBC?

Love it or hate it, Fox is an agenda-setter in American politics. MSNBC is mostly irrelevant to those who don't watch it, and CNN is too muddled/incoherent to even have a clear agenda.

Again...Fox is interesting because it's a bona fide political player, not because it employs newscasters like Shep Smith.

I think you make some interesting points there. But you're giving CNN too much credit by saying they've reached a level that could be called incoherent. They're incoherent on their best days.

 

[LynahFan]

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I'd say somebody who edits a clip to make it look like a black person hates whites qualifies as a racist. Same as if a black host edited a tape to make it look like a white person hated blacks. If the shoe fits...

And the full tape makes you feel better?

The lady admitted that she mistreated a customer because of his race. What possible context could that be put in that makes it ok rather than a civil rights violation?

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

She didn't actually mistreat the guy though.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Sure, but I think that's misleading. The differences between Fox and the other channels are more interesting than their similarities (they're both cable channels).

QUICK! What's the last political firestorm that resulted from a story that broke on MSNBC?

Love it or hate it, Fox is an agenda-setter in American politics. MSNBC is mostly irrelevant to those who don't watch it, and CNN is too muddled/incoherent to even have a clear agenda.

Again...Fox is interesting because it's a bona fide political player, not because it employs newscasters like Shep Smith.

Well yeah, but that's because no one watches MSNBC.

 

[pirate]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Sure, but I think that's misleading. The differences between Fox and the other channels are more interesting than their similarities (they're both cable channels).

QUICK! What's the last political firestorm that resulted from a story that broke on MSNBC?

Love it or hate it, Fox is an agenda-setter in American politics. MSNBC is mostly irrelevant to those who don't watch it, and CNN is too muddled/incoherent to even have a clear agenda.

Again...Fox is interesting because it's a bona fide political player, not because it employs newscasters like Shep Smith.

I don't think it is misleading...the question is whether you think the other news programs, which include the networks, are consistently in the middle.

To your point, if they were, wouldn't they irritate both parties equally? Not to say they never report news that reflects badly on one side...it is news, they report what needs to be reported...how they report it, the degree to which they report it, editorial decisions etc. - do you think they are all completely unbiased? None of the people running the 'other' news stations are members of political parties, everything else you see and hear is 100% unbiased and only Fox has a bias.

I don't follow Fox, am not a supporter etc. but I have no illusion that what comes out of the other networks is unbiased anymore than I think what comes out of one church on Sunday is 'right' and what comes out of the next church is 'wrong'.

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

And the full tape makes you feel better?

The lady admitted that she mistreated a customer because of his race. What possible context could that be put in that makes it ok rather than a civil rights violation?

Yes it does. The lady admitted to, 25 years ago, thinking that maybe she didn't help somebody out as much as she could have, then corrected herself and did to the satisfaction of the farmer who has been pubicly adament saying she saved his farm. Furthermore, the point of her story is that we're all the same under God and that racism shouldn't be a factor - something she learned herself. As a conservative, you're telling all of us that people like this should be mocked and their discovery of a higher calling to govern their day to day decisions is something that should be spliced to give the exact opposite impression of their actions?

Yeah...

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Fox is clearly to the right...do you think the other stations are in the middle or to the left?

If you don't get the difference between them, you don't know the history of Fox News, the personnel who founded it, and their explicit reasons for founding it.

It's analogous to the difference between evolutionary theory and creationism. Sure, there is probably incidental bias in the former, and that may even come out at the worst of times with selective interpretation of data, but it's false equivalency to compare that to the explicit artificiality and literal disregard for facts of the latter.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

If you don't get the difference between them, you don't know the history of Fox News, the personnel who founded it, and their explicit reasons for founding it.

It's analogous to the difference between evolutionary theory and creationism. Sure, there is probably incidental bias in the former, and that may even come out at the worst of times with selective interpretation of data, but it's false equivalency to compare that to the explicit artificiality and literal disregard for facts of the latter.

Incidental bias vs explicit artificiality and literal disregard? cough, cough, cough. That's probably the worst analogy I've ever seen you put out there Kepler.

Only the highly partisan can't recognize that Fox is pretty far right, MSNBC and others are pretty far left, and most of the other majors tend left, but not as far. It's always interesting how people seemingly can't step back from their partisan positions to recognize the biases on their side. As some have probably observed, I tend to lean conservative on a number of issues (though far from all), but I can't stand Fox for the most part (or the others that slant heavily the other way). Give me some substantive reporting and I'll tolerate moderate bias. But such reporting has gotten harder and harder to find unfortunately.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I hope CNBC was a typo. That station is definitely not liberal. It's somewhere in between. I mean hell, Kudlow is the face of the "professional" side of the network.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

I hope CNBC was a typo. That station is definitely not liberal. It's somewhere in between. I mean hell, Kudlow is the face of the "professional" side of the network.

My bad, the obvious liberal one is MSNBC. Corrected.

Really, some of these stations have taken on almost cartoon characteristics. My wife and I hardly ever watch, but one night we flipped around channels for a little while, and her comment was that she couldn't believe how poor they all were. But, such is the level of what passes for dialogue in this nation.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

I hope CNBC was a typo. That station is definitely not liberal. It's somewhere in between. I mean hell, Kudlow is the face of the "professional" side of the network.

I'm pretty sure he meant MSNBC, which is clearly an attempt to give liberals the backrub Fox gives conservatives. The thing is, liberals already have that with TDS and Colbert. Personally, I can't stand Keith even though I'm supposedly the target audience.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Incidental bias vs explicit artificiality and literal disregard? cough, cough, cough. That's probably the worst analogy I've ever seen you put out there Kepler.

Fox was founded to be the voice of a specific party. There's nothing revolutionary about that -- nineteenth and early twentieth century newspapers had the same shtick. The critical test is, would an outlet cover a story that would hurt their side. Fox would not, unless it came with an ocean of rationalizations and counterclaims. CNN, for all its grievous faults of being junk food news, would. The WSJ, for all its bias, would.

Fox is not "the right wing x" for anything. It's unique, unless you want to compare it to down market rags like Workers World.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

But, such is the level of what passes for dialogue in this nation.

Although I usually want to subscribe to your curmudgeon newsletter, I think dialogue has just moved somewhere else. If we judged the Founders era by what went on in the broadsheets, we'd think it was a period as anti-intellectual and sensationalistic as any other.

 

[amherstblackbear]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Well yeah, but that's because no one watches MSNBC.

Actually, I don't think that's it at all.

Fox is constantly crowing about how they're killing CNN and MSNBC in the ratings, but the truth is that, in the grand scheme of things, no one watches Fox, either. Not compared to American Idol or Dancing with the Stars, or how many people saw the latest blockbuster movie or whatever.

I should preface this by saying that I don't watch enough of any cable news to call myself an expert. Now and then I'm tempted -- but that's why I have MLB extra innings.

From what I have seen, Fox is clearly different in that they're pro-active. Led by their editorial folks, they try to get out in front of the news. MSNBC is much more reactionary, in contrast. They respond to what Fox puts out there. They spend their evenings throwing <s>red meat</s> Cliff bars to their core audience (right winger X is a charlatan, right winger Y is a scoundrel, etc). Sometimes they're right, and sometimes they're grasping at straws. But the point is they don't really try to get out in front on issues. They don't influence the American political agenda in any meaningful way.

Maybe their lower ratings make that more difficult, but I don't think that's the full explanation. MSNBC, for better or worse, isn't that ambitious. Are they still slanted? H*ll yes, of course.