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Obama XI: Turn And Face The Strange

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WeWantMore said:
Do scumbags who kill pregnant women get charged with 1 murder or 2?
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Depends on the state. Some have fetal homicide laws, others don't. Some it depends on the viability of the fetus.
 
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Plante26 said:
Using your logic, as technology continually advances and makes life possible without the mother being involved, you would be in favor of outlawing abortion?
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No. it's still the mother (parent/owners) choice to terminate until it's viable human being. untill they relinquish that right they still have a choice to make.

On the economic front Goldman only made $3billion wost than citigroup... with only $13billion revenue ... although they set aside $5billion bonuses this quarter. only about 40-50% revenue is going to bonuses... it's funny they measure it based on revenue now instead of earnings since ti's gotten so outofwhack.

Bankers are asking "what crisis? " "It's never been better. record bonuses".
I guess it was JPmorgan that came out with earnings few weeks ago.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Goldm...5.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

The banks said its first-quarter earnings almost doubled to $3.3 billion as its trading business again surpassed the rest of the financial industry.

Goldman Sachs earned $5.59 a share on revenue of $12.78 billion as bond, commodities and currency trading buoyed its profits. That was well above expectations of analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters. It was Goldman's second most profitable quarter since going public in 1999. In the fourth quarter, Goldman Sachs earned a record $4.79 billion.
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dxmnkd316 said:
Subject of the previous quote aside, yes there is a difference between the two in the mind of a theist. Hence the worth "faith."
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Said word wasn't used in said post. Although since faith is belief in something, often accompanied by claims of knowing things that are unknowable, you can replace believe with "have faith". So it must not be much of a difference.
 
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pirate said:
my take is that the right has a few keystone radical issues and those who list those as their top item are more fervent and more focused on that one issue than radicals on the left who may actually be equal/close in number but with fewer that identify with any one issue as vehemently as those on the right.

So, in my theory, the radical left is more spread out across issues but just as committed to their cause as the right where people identify with fewer issues but hold fast to those that are dear to them.
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It may be number of issues, or it may be "loose" vs "tight" clustering, where one side's issues tend to be mutually reinforcing where another's tend to be all over the map. The example that comes to my mind is the loose coalitions of the radical left in the 70's and 80's, when there were radicalized pressure groups whose hot button issues were: racial equity, feminism, environmentalism, labor, immigration, and maybe a half dozen others. There was a lot of rhetoric about there being some quasi-mystical substratum linking all of them, but you always got the feeling that the members of one group really didn't care all that much about the issues of the others, they were just trying to hold a coalition together to raise all boats.

In contrast, the radical right of today seems to have tremendous overlap between many of their hot button issues: prayer in schools, anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti-feminism -- there really is a substratum and it is self-identified as fundamentalist Christian. The other hot buttons: free market, anti-affirmative action, militarism, anti-immigration, gun rights, are a looser cluster, and there's nothing inherently linking them with the tight cluster except historical and demographic accident.
 
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Kepler said:
It may be number of issues, or it may be "loose" vs "tight" clustering, where one side's issues tend to be mutually reinforcing where another's tend to be all over the map. The example that comes to my mind is the loose coalitions of the radical left in the 70's and 80's, when there were radicalized pressure groups whose hot button issues were: racial equity, feminism, environmentalism, labor, immigration, and maybe a half dozen others. There was a lot of rhetoric about there being some quasi-mystical substratum linking all of them, but you always got the feeling that the members of one group really didn't care all that much about the issues of the others, they were just trying to hold a coalition together to raise all boats.

In contrast, the radical right of today seems to have tremendous overlap between many of their hot button issues: prayer in schools, anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti-feminism -- there really is a substratum and it is self-identified as fundamentalist Christian. The other hot buttons: free market, anti-affirmative action, militarism, anti-immigration, gun rights, are a looser cluster, and there's nothing inherently linking them with the tight cluster except historical and demographic accident.
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in today's left, do you think there is the same separation that you mention from the past? I perceive a tighter alignment, maybe not cooperation but not the same divide you'd see between a christian fundamentalist and fiscal conservative on the right.
 
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pirate said:
in today's left, do you think there is the same separation that you mention from the past? I perceive a tighter alignment, maybe not cooperation but not the same divide you'd see between a christian fundamentalist and fiscal conservative on the right.
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I don't know. It may be easier to be "tight" when you're against something -- the left opposition against the Bush administration seemed to be more rhetorically and politically unified than the left now. Since we only really oscillate between center-left and center-right in this country, the radical fringe loses a lot of its coherence and appeal when its "side" is in office. The mainstream opposition eggs on its radicals' hystrionics to delegitimize the incumbent mainstream party. The mainstream incumbent has to deal with its own radicals' demands for ideological purity, so the coalition of moderate and radical breaks down absent that common goal.

That's probably good for the country since it keeps the pendulum moving by always putting more weight against the incumbent.
 
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Just donated blood twenty minutes ago.

What kind of socialist nonsense is this? Donating my blood? My hard earned blood? For free? Just so some other guy can just take it later on? You haven't spend your days, generating red blood cells with your bone marrow and memories of a better America, just so some Johnny cut-corners can go to a hospital, slap down his commie health insurance card and demand your blood!

America, let me tell you, where else you just give away all of your hard work for nothing: China. Communist China. Think its just a coincidence that you're giving your blood to the RED Cross? *writes "RED CROSS" on a blackboard*

Hmmm...

Red Cross... where else have I seen a red cross? Oh no! What the...?

So why are we letting the Communists take our blood?

I'm not the only person seeing this, but I'm the only one telling you so let me take my glasses off. *removes glasses* And The Annointed Obama had better look out, because in MY America, nobody can come steal your blood and give it to rabid lesbian Islamic abortionists who do nothing but cash social security checks and ask for Uncle Sam to give them what they are entitled.

It's not too late to fight back, America. We still have time to re-animate Thomas Jefferson's corpse and run him in 2012 on a ticket with a bald eagle.
 
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geezer said:
We already covered this. Conservatives are 18% more likely than liberals to donate blood (or anything else)

edit: not that I want to discourage you libs from trying to change the culture of your kind, and start doing some positive good in the world. Donate more. Tell your friends.
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It was more of an "impersonate Glenn Beck for fun" thing.

I don't expect any actual conservatives to really identify with that post, since I genuinely doubt that conservatives with a head on their shoulders actually like or think like Beck.

See also: liberals, Michael Moore.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
It's not too late to fight back, America. We still have time to re-animate Thomas Jefferson's corpse and run him in 2012 on a ticket with a bald eagle.
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The corpse and the eagle would probably get 20% if that was the ticket.

I'm kidding. Kind of.
 
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geezer said:
We already covered this. Conservatives are 18% more likely than liberals to donate blood (or anything else)

edit: not that I want to discourage you libs from trying to change the culture of your kind, and start doing some positive good in the world. Donate more. Tell your friends.
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If you read the Global Warming thread you would know that each act of "good" makes people feel more entitled to an act of "bad".

So my guess is Conservatives are also 18% more likely to steal blood (or anything else). So maybe no one should donate anything, and then people would be nicer.
 
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Kepler said:
I don't know. It may be easier to be "tight" when you're against something -- the left opposition against the Bush administration seemed to be more rhetorically and politically unified than the left now. Since we only really oscillate between center-left and center-right in this country, the radical fringe loses a lot of its coherence and appeal when its "side" is in office. The mainstream opposition eggs on its radicals' hystrionics to delegitimize the incumbent mainstream party. The mainstream incumbent has to deal with its own radicals' demands for ideological purity, so the coalition of moderate and radical breaks down absent that common goal.

That's probably good for the country since it keeps the pendulum moving by always putting more weight against the incumbent.
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Isn't that sedition?? :D
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I don't expect any actual conservatives to really identify with that post, since I genuinely doubt that conservatives with a head on their shoulders actually like or think like Beck.

See also: liberals, Michael Moore.
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Can I play with strawmen too?
 
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