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Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
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Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Now that the brokers have recovered from their initial shock, I'm sure the stock market is tanking today.
Now that the brokers have recovered from their initial shock, I'm sure the stock market is tanking today.
SPIN CONTROL
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Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Has anyone warned Costa Rica to be on the lookout for a fat balding drug addicted gasbag that may be visting soon?
Has anyone warned Costa Rica to be on the lookout for a fat balding drug addicted gasbag that may be visting soon?
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Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Tony Kornheiser is not fat!
Has anyone warned Costa Rica to be on the lookout for a fat balding drug addicted gasbag that may be visting soon?
Tony Kornheiser is not fat!
dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
You seem uncharacteristically infatuated with the "rich people's playground" as a barometer for universal healthcare acceptance today.
Wake me up when peeps get their jobs back, unemployment starts going down, pay restored to pre-cut levels, bonuses start flowing again, etc., etc.
...oh yeah, and when I start *saving* money on healthcare. I won't hold my breath.
You seem uncharacteristically infatuated with the "rich people's playground" as a barometer for universal healthcare acceptance today.
Wake me up when peeps get their jobs back, unemployment starts going down, pay restored to pre-cut levels, bonuses start flowing again, etc., etc.
...oh yeah, and when I start *saving* money on healthcare. I won't hold my breath.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
If the CBO is right, the bill will actually reduce* the budget deficit by $100 billion over 10 years. (Not that $100 billion is significant against the $10+ trillion deficit, but, just sayin'.)
If this is a fight over fiscal responsibility then by all means, let's join it -- properly managed health care reform is necessary for that, and the other side offered nothing. Of course if we're going to have that debate then also on the table is all the lard the GOP loves: the Imperial March, corporate welfare, the Reagan Era tax holiday for the top margin, plus all the stuff that if they were truly principled they'd stand and clearly fight against, like actually eliminating medicare, social security or even the ****y little home mortgage deduction -- each of which would of course be electoral death.
Ron Paul might do that, but nobody else (read: nobody with any chance of gaining support from the national party elites) will.
(* No, my cynicism doesn't allow me to believe this either.)
If the CBO is right, the bill will actually reduce* the budget deficit by $100 billion over 10 years. (Not that $100 billion is significant against the $10+ trillion deficit, but, just sayin'.)
If this is a fight over fiscal responsibility then by all means, let's join it -- properly managed health care reform is necessary for that, and the other side offered nothing. Of course if we're going to have that debate then also on the table is all the lard the GOP loves: the Imperial March, corporate welfare, the Reagan Era tax holiday for the top margin, plus all the stuff that if they were truly principled they'd stand and clearly fight against, like actually eliminating medicare, social security or even the ****y little home mortgage deduction -- each of which would of course be electoral death.
Ron Paul might do that, but nobody else (read: nobody with any chance of gaining support from the national party elites) will.
(* No, my cynicism doesn't allow me to believe this either.)
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CBO numbers are nonsense, and everyone knows it that pays any attention. My understanding is that the CBO is required to make the numerical assumptions that are contained in any bill that is sent to is, so you feed in garbage, and out comes garbage. I recall a former CBO head saying that their process could be summarized as "fantasy in, fantasy out."
I agree all the goodies should be on the table that both sides value and that neither has the gumption to really do it. To me it sounds like you should be a supporter of Paul Ryan (Wisconsin), who has put, IMHO, the most reasonable overall plan on the table to deal with a variety of fiscal problems the federal government faces. His Roadmap isn't perfect, but it makes a lot more sense than what I've seen others say.
CBO numbers are nonsense, and everyone knows it that pays any attention. My understanding is that the CBO is required to make the numerical assumptions that are contained in any bill that is sent to is, so you feed in garbage, and out comes garbage. I recall a former CBO head saying that their process could be summarized as "fantasy in, fantasy out."
I agree all the goodies should be on the table that both sides value and that neither has the gumption to really do it. To me it sounds like you should be a supporter of Paul Ryan (Wisconsin), who has put, IMHO, the most reasonable overall plan on the table to deal with a variety of fiscal problems the federal government faces. His Roadmap isn't perfect, but it makes a lot more sense than what I've seen others say.
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Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
If you paid attention to this thread, someone said the stock market would collapse because of the legislation. Has that happened?
I don't use the "rich people's playground" as much of a barometer for whether the economy as a whole is doing well or not. But if other people want to and they're completely wrong, they can expect to be called out.
If you paid attention to this thread, someone said the stock market would collapse because of the legislation. Has that happened?
I don't use the "rich people's playground" as much of a barometer for whether the economy as a whole is doing well or not. But if other people want to and they're completely wrong, they can expect to be called out.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
All I know is that I find myself extraordinarily disappointed that with all of this "outrage", I don't see any teabaggers outside my windows tarring and feathering anybody or setting up a guillotine.
All I know is that I find myself extraordinarily disappointed that with all of this "outrage", I don't see any teabaggers outside my windows tarring and feathering anybody or setting up a guillotine.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Well, I guess the one good thing about this bill is Mitt Romney is done as a politician. This is basically his bill and he ran on it in '08. Now he's running away from it. Too funny.
Still waiting for the stock market to crash and for the repeal of the unfunded mandates left over from the last administration. I imagine I'll see a Death Panel before any of that happens.
Well, I guess the one good thing about this bill is Mitt Romney is done as a politician. This is basically his bill and he ran on it in '08. Now he's running away from it. Too funny.
Still waiting for the stock market to crash and for the repeal of the unfunded mandates left over from the last administration. I imagine I'll see a Death Panel before any of that happens.
SPIN CONTROL
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Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
I think you are underestimating the stupidity of the average American voter.
I think you are underestimating the stupidity of the average American voter.
WeWantMore
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Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
The Florida lawsuit has been assigned to C. Roger Vinson. A Navy veteran who was appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Still an epic longshot, but if you could have picked a judge to initially hear it, why not this guy?
The Florida lawsuit has been assigned to C. Roger Vinson. A Navy veteran who was appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Still an epic longshot, but if you could have picked a judge to initially hear it, why not this guy?
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Who are you to tell me how I should or should not live? Should I take your hobbies and tax them? Should we be able to?
Dare I say it... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Taxes shouldn't be a mechanism to mold public behavior. Taxes are a means to provide that which we grant government to do.
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Kepler... you are ignoring Goldwater because you hate Bush? That seems consistent with your actual positions... as much as "hate Bush" is in fact a position.
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Bob... I'll echo your comments on Ryan. The problem with all this was that the dems only see single payer and universal health care as the true moral goal. They don't have any interest in remodeling current systems so that we can play a role to the future. They are insistent that by the morality of the system the system itself should work. The problem is once you assume the morality of the system and the reality that you actually have to make it work then you boil up ideas like "death panels"... and yes for the hyper-ventilators in the audience there will be no "death panels"... nobody is going to say "Joe Smith of Yuma will not get treatment"... they'll say "nobody over the age of 60 will get treated for cancer type X"... and you'll be bound to it through single payer. After all, its fair to everybody.
Bottom line is that Paul Ryan could throw out solutions all day long but for the Dems the solutions have been decided 10-50 years ago and aren't subject to negotiation.
Who are you to tell me how I should or should not live? Should I take your hobbies and tax them? Should we be able to?
Dare I say it... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Taxes shouldn't be a mechanism to mold public behavior. Taxes are a means to provide that which we grant government to do.
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Kepler... you are ignoring Goldwater because you hate Bush? That seems consistent with your actual positions... as much as "hate Bush" is in fact a position.
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Bob... I'll echo your comments on Ryan. The problem with all this was that the dems only see single payer and universal health care as the true moral goal. They don't have any interest in remodeling current systems so that we can play a role to the future. They are insistent that by the morality of the system the system itself should work. The problem is once you assume the morality of the system and the reality that you actually have to make it work then you boil up ideas like "death panels"... and yes for the hyper-ventilators in the audience there will be no "death panels"... nobody is going to say "Joe Smith of Yuma will not get treatment"... they'll say "nobody over the age of 60 will get treated for cancer type X"... and you'll be bound to it through single payer. After all, its fair to everybody.
Bottom line is that Paul Ryan could throw out solutions all day long but for the Dems the solutions have been decided 10-50 years ago and aren't subject to negotiation.
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Another good thing about the bill is that it's a lot clearer who the socialists are in this country. Even Ed on msnbc asked if it was a bad thing if Obama is a socialist? He asked, "is it (being a socialist) against the law?" No, Ed. But I wonder why the left denied it for so long. It appears they are getting over the denial stage.
Another good thing about the bill is that it's a lot clearer who the socialists are in this country. Even Ed on msnbc asked if it was a bad thing if Obama is a socialist? He asked, "is it (being a socialist) against the law?" No, Ed. But I wonder why the left denied it for so long. It appears they are getting over the denial stage.
Handyman
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Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Is socialist the only word you know...my lord you are about as original as the Michigan Marching Band
And Patman, no one is saying you can't eat McDonalds, it hasn't been banned just because a tax was added. Are you prevented from using gas because of the gas tax? Is smoking illegal because it is taxed?
In a society where everyone is guaranteed to be helped if they have a heart attack and go to the hospital (with or without insurance) I would rather those fat ****s who chow down big macs 5 times a week pay a little extra to do so. Like I said you dont hear me whining because the price of cigs jumped like 2 bucks a pack because a bunch of people sued Big Tobacco. I know there are consequences to my decisions and I accept them. Funny how that works...
Is socialist the only word you know...my lord you are about as original as the Michigan Marching Band
And Patman, no one is saying you can't eat McDonalds, it hasn't been banned just because a tax was added. Are you prevented from using gas because of the gas tax? Is smoking illegal because it is taxed?
In a society where everyone is guaranteed to be helped if they have a heart attack and go to the hospital (with or without insurance) I would rather those fat ****s who chow down big macs 5 times a week pay a little extra to do so. Like I said you dont hear me whining because the price of cigs jumped like 2 bucks a pack because a bunch of people sued Big Tobacco. I know there are consequences to my decisions and I accept them. Funny how that works...
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I'm trying to explain to my insurance guy that I'm not buying car insurance unless I get in a wreck, or homeowners unless my house catches fire. It wouldn't be fair to deny me for a preexisting condition, right? He just doesn't understand this brave new world we live in.
I'm trying to explain to my insurance guy that I'm not buying car insurance unless I get in a wreck, or homeowners unless my house catches fire. It wouldn't be fair to deny me for a preexisting condition, right? He just doesn't understand this brave new world we live in.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
Nice idea, but if a lender holds a security interest on your property, they'll force place insurance on your account, tack the premium on the balance and make you pay more for it. And don't forget, some states require minimum coverage for auto insurance as well.
Nice idea, but if a lender holds a security interest on your property, they'll force place insurance on your account, tack the premium on the balance and make you pay more for it. And don't forget, some states require minimum coverage for auto insurance as well.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
And the bill requires people to covered to protect the insurer, precisely to avoid the problem.
But other than being completely wrong, good point.
And the bill requires people to covered to protect the insurer, precisely to avoid the problem.
But other than being completely wrong, good point.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.
How can you say it's clear? Two of the largest pieces of domestic legislation passed by a Republican controlled White House and Congress were socialist.
So, exactly how clear are we? Or, are you in denial like most conservatives since this bill passed? I bet you are.
How can you say it's clear? Two of the largest pieces of domestic legislation passed by a Republican controlled White House and Congress were socialist.
So, exactly how clear are we? Or, are you in denial like most conservatives since this bill passed? I bet you are.
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