Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.

[ScoobyDoo]

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How is this solving a problem? Even they had to realize this will create more problems then it solves. They just don't seem to care about normal people... poor people and ultra rich people they care about, one more vocally then the other, but not everyone in between.

Obama wanted Republicans on board. Your representatives could have included themselves in the solution. INSTEAD you went with the Waterloo method. You lost. Now we all have to live with what the Democrats cooked up.

By the way. We're still all paying (unfunded) for your President's socialistic NCLB and Medicare Prescription Drug legislation. Where the hell is the call for an appeal of that crap?

 

[ScottM]

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Like I've said, I bear no false hope that this will change anything. At best, the mandate will be stripped from it, but that's it. Still, I'm glad that they are at least trying to do something about it.

I think the states may be facing an uphill battle, especially given the fact that many of the issues, like the individual mandate, may not be ripe for review. Going to court is like going to craps table.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/22/we-just-cant-get-enough-of-health-care-and-the-constitution/

 

[Wol4ine]

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Obama wanted Republicans on board. Your representatives could have included themselves in the solution. INSTEAD you went with the Waterloo method. You lost. Now we all have to live with what the Democrats cooked up.

By the way. We're still all paying (unfunded) for your President's socialistic NCLB and Medicare Prescription Drug legislation. Where the hell is the call for an appeal of that crap?

Obama wanted the GOP on board so they could take some of the blame. He didn't need their votes, other than to cover his arse.

You've brought up the NCLB before and blamed Bush as well. The Dems voted 197 - 10 in favor of NCLB. The GOP was 186 - 34 in favor. All the Dems had to do was vote as a block like the GOP did for the Health Billl and they could have stopped it. NCLB passed in the Senate 87 - 10, with 3 not voting. 44 yeas were GOP, 43 yeas were Dems.

You can stop blaming the GOP exclusively for NCLB.
However, this Health Reform bill belongs entirely to the Dems and we'll see in November if people are grateful for it.

 

[Plante26]

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Obama wanted Republicans on board. Your representatives could have included themselves in the solution. INSTEAD you went with the Waterloo method. You lost. Now we all have to live with what the Democrats cooked up.

By the way. We're still all paying (unfunded) for your President's socialistic NCLB and Medicare Prescription Drug legislation. Where the hell is the call for an appeal of that crap?

Problem is, Scoob, is that 98% of what the Dems proposed isn't a solution, it's compounding the problem. If this bill had addressed COST and EXPANDED AVAILABILITY and not solely MANDATORY AND/OR SUBSIDIZED COVERAGE, then I would be all for it. Hell, if they had just focused on cost alone this whole bill would be unnecessary. All you have now is way more people utilizing the same amount of health care for free.....which sure as hell ain't gonna make it any cheaper. Or of a better quality, for that matter.

 

[bronconick]

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I think the states may be facing an uphill battle, especially given the fact that many of the issues, like the individual mandate, may not be ripe for review. Going to court is like going to craps table.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/22/we-just-cant-get-enough-of-health-care-and-the-constitution/

I don't know jack squat about law, but could it be one of those situations where we're going to have to wait 5 year for the first person to be fined to have it taken to court pro-bono?

 

[Patman]

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Obama wanted the GOP on board so they could take some of the blame. He didn't need their votes, other than to cover his arse.

You've brought up the NCLB before and blamed Bush as well. The Dems voted 197 - 10 in favor of NCLB. The GOP was 186 - 34 in favor. All the Dems had to do was vote as a block like the GOP did for the Health Billl and they could have stopped it. NCLB passed in the Senate 87 - 10, with 3 not voting. 44 yeas were GOP, 43 yeas were Dems.

You can stop blaming the GOP exclusively for NCLB.
However, this Health Reform bill belongs entirely to the Dems and we'll see in November if people are grateful for it.

The funny thing is Scooby will have to live with this too.

The democrats made it clear from the outset that they wanted to get certain things done. The only thing that has changed their calculus away from a direct public option (which will lead to single payer) was the potential to get killed at the polls. It was politically unstomachable.

That being said, Obama and the rest of the Dems, as you said, only wanted Republicans to give them cover. They already made it clear that they wanted their way by and large and they were going to get it regardless of costs.

Fact of the matter is they wanted this more than they respected anti-corruption, more than they respected their own legislative standards, more than they respected their own institutions, and according to the polls, more than they respected the current will of the American people. Any "bi-partisanship" was going to come in the form in having 2-3 republican human shields. Lets remember the definition of "bipartisanship"... a measure is said to be "bipartisan" when republicans sign onto liberal or progressive initiatives. A corollary to this is that Republicans will be blamed for lack of bipartisan support and will be defined by the media as unreasonable.

Let us note... nobody is spinning this as a "defeat of bipartisan will" despite that no republicans voted for the measure and some democrats voted against. Seems like the bipartisanship aspect was tilted against this bill.

 

[Wol4ine]

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Why have only 38 states expressed their intent to file suit on this bill? What the hell is wrong with the other 12? These Socialist Dumbocrats just don't get it!

It only takes 34 to amend the constitution to prohibit this legislation.

 

[Handyman]

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Hey Patman...did the stock market crash yet? I was out passing leaflets for the "New World Order of Socialism" so I may have missed it

Speaking as someone who is what we like to call poor, I can feel my collective wealth rising as the rich people have their veins pumped dry! It is a glorious feeling...SOCIALISM FOREVER!

I was just told that I can go get insurance from an insurance carrier...who would have thunk it in this day and age?!?!?!?!?

Socialism: Allowing me to do, what I was already able to do

 

[blockski]

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I don't know jack squat about law, but could it be one of those situations where we're going to have to wait 5 year for the first person to be fined to have it taken to court pro-bono?

Yes - that's what "not ripe for review" means. Courts hear cases and controversies - you can't just challenge something on principle.

 

[Kepler]

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Oh you must not have gotten the "New World Order of Socialism" sent from the home office in Cuba. It is pretty clear now if you want to ever get your license or buy food in a store you need to knock up 12 women and kill their babies in the town square! The China Amendment will call for us to eat them but that is a few years off...

We probably shouldn't go too deeply into the Greek Amendment.

 

[Plante26]

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We probably shouldn't go too deeply into the Greek Amendment.

That wouldn't have anything to do with the collapsing economy of Greece due to exorbitant social welfare/entitlement programs, would it?

No? OK, just checking.

 

[Kepler]

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That wouldn't have to do with the collapsing economy of Greece due to financial institutions' unregulated and fraudulent practices while the Bush SEC was locked in conference whacking off to Atlas Shrugged, would it?

Fair question, but no, I was just making a homo joke, seeing as that's the speed of the teabaggers.

 

[Bakunin]

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It only takes 34 to amend the constitution to prohibit this legislation.

No, it takes 38. To ratify an amendment, 3/4 must do so.

 

[geezer]

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The most telling thing about this whole scam was a quote of Pelosi's that Drudge reported as "overheard" on Sunday (she was walking by on her cell): "We need to get to 217... nobody wants to be the deciding vote on this"
Now, if this heaven-sent salvation of reform is so precious, who wouldn't want the claim of difference-maker? On the other hand, if it's the poisonous bile of an insane Hugo Chavez wannabe, I can see why she'd say that.

 

[Wol4ine]

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No, it takes 38. To ratify an amendment, 3/4 must do so.

correct, 2/3 to propose, 3/4 to pass.

 

[Wol4ine]

Re: Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.

Socialism: Allowing me to do, what I was already able to do

If socialism 'allows' you to do what you're already able to do, what is it when the government 'forces' you to do something you may not have wanted to do? (aka buy health insurance)

 

[solovsfett]

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This is history. Today marks a major turning point. Our Founders got it right when they wrote in the Declaration of Independence that our rights come from nature and nature's God, not from government. Should we now subscribe to an ideology where government creates rights, is solely responsible for delivering these artificial rights, and then rations these rights? Do we believe that the goal of government is to promote equal opportunity for all Americans to make the most of their lives, or do we now believe that government's role is to equalize the results of people's lives? The philosophy advanced on this floor by this majority today is so paternalistic and so arrogant, it's condescending, and it tramples upon the principles that have made America so exceptional. My friends, we are fast approaching a tipping point where more Americans depend upon the federal government than upon themselves for their livelihoods -- a point where we, the American people, trade in our commitment and our concern for our individual liberties in exchange for government benefits and dependencies.

thanks Paul Ryan.

I'll again hand it to Saul Alinsky. He developed cynically a method to install Marxist/Socialist ideology in this country that could be implemented against our will....and we bought that hope and change ****.

You know, in the mid-to-late 1950's a lot of people 90miles south of the Florida keys also bought into "hope" and "change"

then on January 1, 1959 Che Guevara and Fidel Castro rolled in from the mountains.

"Surprise!" "we're communists, give us your money, we'll take care of you, don't worry"

 

[Plante26]

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Fair question, but no, I was just making a homo joke, seeing as that's the speed of the teabaggers.

Ah, yes. The Greek government hasn't overspent for the last three decades on the of expansion of social welfare, the expansion of government employment and entitlement programs. It's the banker's fault that all happened, right?

Your whole ideology is one big homo joke, Kep. In order to maintain a free market democratic republic you need more people working in the private sector and paying taxes than working in the public sector and getting paid with those taxes. It's a simple concept. One which has obviously oozed out of your earhole since semi-learning it in 4th grade.

Of course, I'm assuming you're in favor of a free market democratic republic. Anyhow, you stay happy and gay, Kepler.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Some good to news to take from all of this is that it effectively rules out Romney from mounting a serious challenge in 2012. Now just have to get Palin out of the way.

 

[LynahFan]

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Heh. Just saw an interview with Michael Moore on CNN. Here's how it went:

Q: So does this legislation do anything to reduce health care costs?

Moore: <3 second pause> Well, let me tell you about what the bill does do...

Some reform.