O Dam: I fear this won't end well

[walrus]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

The blue states aren't just cities, in fact CA is the leading agricultural state and third in energy production..

Lot of good that does them without any water.

 

[BassAle]

Lot of good that does them without any water.

The tusked one has a point. CA agriculture is ****ed without their Colorado River allotment. The river already dries up before it reaches the ocean. The upstream states could probably make it dry up before it touches the CA border (Mexico might get ****ed though, by treaty they get a certain amount of Colorado river water)

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

The tusked one has a point. CA agriculture is ****ed without their Colorado River allotment. The river already dries up before it reaches the ocean. The upstream states could probably make it dry up before it touches the CA border (Mexico might get ****ed though, by treaty they get a certain amount of Colorado river water)

Treaty schmeaty. Trump's gonna tear up NAFTA*, remember? This proposal is a wet dream (ha!) for Arizona.


*Restrictions may apply. Canuckistan, you're safe...for now

 

[Kepler]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

Lot of good that does them without any water.

First war aim set, then -- but no need, CO is sane and will go with the PC.

 

[walrus]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

No they wont Money changes everything.
Water is going to become a commodity, f California if I'm a CO resident, lower my tax burden

 

[Jimjamesak]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

AK could always recycle our water pipeline idea Wally Hickel had.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

And yet they are the third lowest in energy use per capita:
https://www.eia.gov/state/rankings/

This site also lists California as the #11 producer of energy:
https://www.eia.gov/state/rankings/#/series/101

more interesting data:
https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-1

More great data:
https://www.eia.gov/state/seds/data.php?incfile=/state/seds/sep_sum/html/rank_use_capita.html&sid=US
(CA is second lowest in energy use per capita for residential and commercial, is third lowest in overall usage, is 13th lowest in industrial usage, and 16th lowest in transportation usage per capita.)

This website is awesome!

ETA:
The customizable graph and data set is pretty sweet too
https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/browser/?tbl=T12.06#/?f=A

My entire afternoon is shot.

All that, .... and they still have rolling blackouts.


EDIT: I'm so disappointed in myself. I missed a golden snark opportunity. I should've posted:

Californians would love to look at those sites but they can't. They need to re-charge their devices. But they can't. Because of the rolling blackouts.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

Meanwhile, back at that dam situation ...

Crews work into the night to bolster eroded spillway as next storm approaches
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132905779.html#storylink=cpy

There are three storms lined up in succession. The first two are the warm-up. The third is the one that is going to most impact the watershed.

Three storm systems will move into Northern California during the next six days, according to the National Weather Service. The first system will drop about an inch of rain in the Oroville area between 10 p.m. Wednesday and 4 p.m. Thursday. Greater amounts of precipitation will fall in the mountains northeast of the reservoir.

Forecasters are confident that the first two storm systems will not cause huge inflows into Lake Oroville. They are less confident about the third system, which is due sometime Tuesday. That storm could be bigger and warmer, meaning more rain and snowmelt streaming into the swollen reservoir.

 

[cF[Authentic]]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

And yet they have rolling blackouts.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/21/investing/california-heat-wave-blackout-natural-gas/

And yet they are the third lowest in energy use per capita:
https://www.eia.gov/state/rankings/

When you don't have power, you're going to use less of it

 

[FreshFish]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

Yes, because the people who think the Flintstones are a documentary are going to scientifically and economically surpass the people who go to MIT and Cal Tech.

When's the last time you personally fixed a leaky faucet or rewired an electric circuit?

 

[Kepler]

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When's the last time you personally fixed a leaky faucet or rewired an electric circuit?

Plenty of handymen in the blue states. And if it comes to that, we will have a few D students in the new Utopia. I know you guys think 1632 had the last word about the superiority of blue collar over white collar folks, but put it this way. Have you even been a high school janitor? Does that mean you couldn't be, or that you chose not to be? Now, same question about a theoretical physicist?

I actually tried to rewire my water heater. Came about an eighth of an inch from Puppy Heaven. I don't do that anymore.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

by treaty they get a certain amount of Colorado river water

I read somewhere that existing treaties allocate something like 130% of the water that actually is available. They are written in hard numbers and the river doesn't carry that much water any more, compared to when the treaties were written.







Regarding the situation with the dam, there's a good article in the Wall St. Journal today that describes how different government agencies are at odds with each other about water usage and allocation. California has historically had cycles of drought and wet, yet they don't seem to realize that fact in their planning.... The state has been in a drought for the past several years, yet now that they have plenty of water, they don't have any place to put it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/californias-climate-change-1487204507

The storms pummeling the state this year also contradict forecasts of a new climate normal of persistent drought. California is on track for its wettest winter on record....This sudden turn of climate events is consistent with California’s cyclical weather patterns.

...

Yet the state lacks sufficient infrastructure to store the excess precipitation. California’s largest reservoirs are nearing capacity, which has required regulators to release billions of gallons of water to prevent flooding. More than 4.4 million acre-feet of water—enough to irrigate about 1.5 million acres of land or sustain four million households annually—have been discharged from Shasta and Folsom Lakes this year.

Some of the releases can be stored or used downstream, but millions of acre-feet of water will invariably flow out to the San Francisco Bay. The pumps at the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta are limited by mechanical capacity and species protections. During the spring, melting snowpack in the Sierras—which supply more than half of California’s annual precipitation—will supercharge reservoir releases.

Yet plans for additional surface storage—Temperance Flat Dam, Sites Reservoir and Shasta Dam expansion—have been at a standstill for years. The projects would cost about as much as the high-speed rail from Shafter to Madera and about half as much as California’s Medicaid expansion on an annual basis.

Soon after California voters approved a water bond in 2014, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service dashed raising the Shasta Dam, claiming it would harm endangered species’ habitat. Yet the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation says more water storage could restore threatened salmon downstream. [aside: US Fish and Wildlife and US Bureau of Reclamation are each saying the opposite of each other here]

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

Have you even been a high school janitor?

Not by choice. Long story.

Now, same question about a theoretical physicist?

Nah, I'm more the quantum, computational, nuclear, E&M guy. My adviser was too "stereotypic" so I bailed about six credits into the PhD. And the private sector money didn't hurt either.

I actually tried to rewire my water heater.

STEP 1: Using local lock-out/tag-out procedures remove all hazardous energy sources from the device.
STEP 2: Using a suitable equipment, verify all hazardous energy is removed from the device before removing shielding or guards.

 

[walrus]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

Plenty of handymen in the blue states. And if it comes to that, we will have a few D students in the new Utopia. .

I wouldn't count on that, you think a D student can repair your DC inverter AC or a completely computer controlled car? Your opinion of blue collar folks makes me chuckle.

 

[Kepler]

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I wouldn't count on that, you think a D student can repair your DC inverter AC or a completely computer controlled car? Your opinion of blue collar folks makes me chuckle.

Or I'm kidding. But yeah, righties are not good with humor, particularly when it's about one of their hobby horses.

Put it this way, I've worked with the guys who install and test equipment that makes them EE ninjas, and I OTOH have to look up Ohm's law when I forget it after a tough weekend. I know exactly how skilled blue collar techs are. So climb down from the Springsteen Memorial Working Class Hero Monolith. We all know the allegory of the B Ark.

 

[walrus]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

Nah, you aren't kidding. You been saying that same **** on here for years

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

We all know the allegory of the B Ark.

The 'B' Ark from USCHO would have to be pretty large.

 

[Kepler]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

Nah, you aren't kidding. You been saying that same **** on here for years

No, you hear the same thing because you need a trigger warning any time somebody even mentions the salt of the earth.

 

[BassAle]

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When's the last time you personally fixed a leaky faucet or rewired an electric circuit?

Not sure I understand what your point is.

I've done a ton of plumbing and electrical work in my previous house. Read a couple books, and I was good to go (my dad was not a handyman, so I taught this stuff to myself). Taught myself to solder copper pipes. Remodeled two bathrooms from the studs up, moved the location of sinks, added new circuits in my electrical panel and rewired some existing ones. I also did about half the plumbing in my new house (when we built, my wife's uncle was our plumber. part of the deal was I had to help).

 

[BassAle]

Re: O Dam: I fear this won't end well

I wouldn't count on that, you think a D student can repair your DC inverter AC or a completely computer controlled car? Your opinion of blue collar folks makes me chuckle.

in some cases, yes. Some kids don't give a **** about history, or chemistry, but might be good at fixing stuff (because they actually enjoy it).

But regarding a computer controlled car, doesn't diagnosing a computer problem in a modern car involve reading error codes that tell you which part needs to be replaced? I know any time I've had a problem that wasn't obviously mechanical, the garage wouldn't have a lot of luck diagnosing it if there wasn't a check engine error w/ an error code.