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Number of NHL Draft picks on your team

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dggoddard said:
Obviously, high draft choices (Turris, Kessel) are great players, but leave school early and obviously don't contribute as much as guys who stick around for four years.

You might have a pretty good formula if you multiply the draft choice points by the year in school. Say a 5th Round Junior is worth (3 pts X 3 years = 9 pts). A first round Freshman is worth 7 pts (7 X 1 year).
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I just saw Kyle Turris just got sent to San Antonio of the AHL so i would be carefull with using him with Phil Kessel. both needed NHL seasoning but Kessel is now proving to be a serious threat guy in the NHL and Turris can't even make an NHL roster on the worse team much less. I blame Phx more then Kyle Turris and it may be a tad early to say this but could Kyle Turris be a draft flop based on his draft position??? PHX can't do anything right i guess....
 
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Be careful, folks.

NHL draft picks don't always equate to success for college teams. Certainly it's A measure of talent in a program, but its not THE measure of talent. NHL teams draft players based on how they will project to the NHL in 3-5 years, not how they may or may not help a college team today. Plenty of 5-7 undrafted guys become great college players, and lots of big drafted guys don't produce much at the college level. Additionally, the more drafted players you have, the harder it is to manage all the increased egos, playing time, parental, CHL and NHL interference and early departures, etc.

Of course, having drafted players is a good recruiting tool, some of them turn out to be great college players, and it's good publicity for a program. But most drafted players never see the NHL at all (especially 3rd-7th rounders), and many of them turn out little better than undrafted guys at the college level...
 
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sshablak said:
My Lord....I asked a simple question ! LMAO
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Yes, you did. Simple question, indeed.

All I am doing is questioning the conventional wisdom that some folks equate more drafts picks=better team/program, which is the logical progression of a thread where people post how many drafted guys their program has....
 
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Puck Swami said:
Be careful, folks.

NHL draft picks don't always equate to success for college teams. Certainly it's A measure of talent in a program, but its not THE measure of talent. NHL teams draft players based on how they will project to the NHL in 3-5 years, not how they may or may not help a college team today. Plenty of 5-7 undrafted guys become great college players, and lots of big drafted guys don't produce much at the college level. Additionally, the more drafted players you have, the harder it is to manage all the increased egos, playing time, parental, CHL and NHL interference and early departures, etc.

Of course, having drafted players is a good recruiting tool, some of them turn out to be great college players, and it's good publicity for a program. But most drafted players never see the NHL at all (especially 3rd-7th rounders), and many of them turn out little better than undrafted guys at the college level...
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I knew Minnesota was going to have a huge number, and posted it to show how little it can mean when it comes to winning championships. No doubt that it can be a good thing, but definitely not a necessity.

So, in short, I agree.:)
 
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Puck Swami said:
Yes, you did. Simple question, indeed.

All I am doing is questioning the conventional wisdom that some folks equate more drafts picks=better team/program, which is the logical progression of a thread where people post how many drafted guys their program has....
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No team is going to win the National Championship today without a good number of their players being good enough at 18 or 19 to be drafted. This is not like back in the 60 or 70's, were a team could load up on 25 year old Canadians, who are well past the draft age, but could still play in college. Take away all the drafted players from Denver, and tell me how good they would be.
 
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Let's put it this way... we've got 7 more NHL draft picks than we do NCAA wins. I'll bet none of you have the math skills to crack that code...
 
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Happy said:
No team is going to win the National Championship today without a good number of their players being good enough at 18 or 19 to be drafted.
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So since your squad wins the NHL Draft points competition, are you conceding they won't win an NC this year? :D
 
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Happy said:
No team is going to win the National Championship today without a good number of their players being good enough at 18 or 19 to be drafted. This is not like back in the 60 or 70's, were a team could load up on 25 year old Canadians, who are well past the draft age, but could still play in college. Take away all the drafted players from Denver, and tell me how good they would be.
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Really? Ask last year's Notre Dame and Cornell how well that worked (fyi, 7 and 4 drafted players respectively), and they were beat by an older Bemidji State team (with only 1 drafted - 7th rounder at that - kid) to get to the Frozen Four... Not saying BSU's gonna win the National Championship with one drafted kid, but to dismiss it as impossible with older kids is a bit naïve.
 
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moose97 said:
Really? Ask last year's Notre Dame and Cornell how well that worked (fyi, 7 and 4 drafted players respectively), and they were beat by an older Bemidji State team (with only 1 drafted - 7th rounder at that - kid) to get to the Frozen Four... Not saying BSU's gonna win the National Championship with one drafted kid, but to dismiss it as impossible with older kids is a bit naïve.
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Good point Moose, but what Happy says still holds water. Who won the national title last year? BU, with 14 draft picks. But that's just one year. It could be (and probably is) a statistical anomaly that a team like Bemidji State beats teams like Notre Dame (and yes, a team like Holy Cross beating Minnesota) who has many more NHL draft picks. Looking over the past say, 15 years, I bet it is fairly standard for a team that wins the national title to have a lot of draft picks. I am too lazy to do all the math, so if I'm wrong, I only have a 75% confidence interval anyways. :p
There are obviously many more factors that go into a successful team than draft picks, but it does play a role. How much of one is clearly the debate here.
 
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Boston College has 11, actually 1 less than last year. Lost 6(a 1, 2 5's and 3 7's) but added 5(a 1, 3 2's and a 4th). Hopefully 5 D-men on that list turn an inexperienced D into a solid unit by years end. Of those lost was a 1st rounder(Petrecki) who became a liability with penalties last year and a 7th rounder(Bradford) top scorer and captain. Exact numbers don't mean much but most teams that consistently hover around the top 15 seem to have a fair amount of draftees.

F Cam Atkinson Columbus/6th/2008
F Paul Carey Colorado/5th/2007
D Tommy Cross Boston/2nd/2007
D Brian Dumoulin Carolina/2nd/2009
F Jimmy Hayes Toronto/2nd/2008
F Chris Kreider NY Rangers/1st/2009
F Ben Smith Chicago/6th/2008
F Kenny Ryan Toronto/2nd/2009
D Philip Samuelsson Pittsburgh/2nd/2009
D Carl Sneep Pittsburgh/2nd/2006
D Patrick Wey Washington/4th/2009

7+6(6)+4+3+2(2)=54
last year 7+3(6)+3(3)+2(2)+3(1)=41
 
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There are a few different ways to address this ‘loaded’ question.

-Simply food for thought with nothing ulterior behind the question
-A tool that contributes to predicting the following season
-A way of analyzing the overall success of a program

It’s an uninteresting question in general imho because the answer in and of itself is meaningless. I don’t care how many UM kids have been drafted per se, but since most of them are from MN it is something to track down the road as many of us remain fans of the players even after they leave. Yet I follow MN kids regardless of where they play so in essence this for me isn't limited to UM.

As far as trying to predict future success, it’s short-sighted to pooh-pooh this figure simply by claiming, “the team with the most draft picks doesn’t usually win” because only one team wins the NC and therefore you could dismiss nearly every category around. I’d still be willing to bet that very few NC winners the past 15 years were low on NHL draft picks. Is the most meaningful stat? No. Is it completely irrelevant? No.

Analyzing overall success of the program. College fans of all walks (hockey, bb, fb, etc) like to tout which of their players have had successful pro careers. Bragging rights I suppose.

For me personally I rarely cite such statistics because discussions in which most of them would be employed are rarely interesting to me, but as a fan of a specific program it is fun to see how many kids grow up to be successful adults – whether it be on or off the ice.
 
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Slapshot...There you go again, tripping to Pink Floyd. Hockey and drugs are a tough mix at the same time. I was playing in college in the early 70's myself !
 
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Puck Swami said:
Be careful, folks.

NHL draft picks don't always equate to success for college teams. Certainly it's A measure of talent in a program, but its not THE measure of talent. NHL teams draft players based on how they will project to the NHL in 3-5 years, not how they may or may not help a college team today. Plenty of 5-7 undrafted guys become great college players, and lots of big drafted guys don't produce much at the college level. Additionally, the more drafted players you have, the harder it is to manage all the increased egos, playing time, parental, CHL and NHL interference and early departures, etc.

Of course, having drafted players is a good recruiting tool, some of them turn out to be great college players, and it's good publicity for a program. But most drafted players never see the NHL at all (especially 3rd-7th rounders), and many of them turn out little better than undrafted guys at the college level...
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Example for Denver: Anthony Maiani (undrafted point production machine) vs. Joe Colborne (1st round pick: doing well and could excel this coming year, but he hasn't been nearly as effective as Maiani so far.)
 
Re: Number of NHL Draft picks on your team

Puck Swami said:
Be careful, folks.

NHL draft picks don't always equate to success for college teams. Certainly it's A measure of talent in a program, but its not THE measure of talent. NHL teams draft players based on how they will project to the NHL in 3-5 years, not how they may or may not help a college team today. Plenty of 5-7 undrafted guys become great college players, and lots of big drafted guys don't produce much at the college level. Additionally, the more drafted players you have, the harder it is to manage all the increased egos, playing time, parental, CHL and NHL interference and early departures, etc.

Of course, having drafted players is a good recruiting tool, some of them turn out to be great college players, and it's good publicity for a program. But most drafted players never see the NHL at all (especially 3rd-7th rounders), and many of them turn out little better than undrafted guys at the college level...
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After all, look at that bum Matt Gilroy last year. What an undrafted stiff he was.
 
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Around 66% of 1st round draft picks play 200+ games in the NHL

Around 20% of 2nd round picks make play 200+ games in the NHL

Around 10% of 3rd round & higher picks play 200+ games in the NHL
 
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