Notre Dame to Hockey East

[mookie1995]

Which is why it was foolish hearing fans of the smaller HE teams endorse this move by the league.

nothing comes easy. and nobody should expect to be given things.

those smaller teams want to compete? go out and get good players, play hard and smart, and beat up on nd, bu, bc, uhn when you play at their barns. be consistent, then you'll get the games at home on tv ('cept for mack... not sure tv cameras can fit in there )

 

[J.D.]

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nothing comes easy. and nobody should expect to be given things.

those smaller teams want to compete? go out and get good players, play hard and smart, and beat up on nd, bu, bc, uhn when you play at their barns. be consistent, then you'll get the games at home on tv ('cept for mack... not sure tv cameras can fit in there )

I don't think anyone expects to be given things here (well, except ND as usual). Come on, you know it isn't easy for the small teams to compete/win. Anyway, if ND was already in the league, that'd be one thing. This is an unnecessary concession made by Hockey East. They didn't need to expand and they didn't need ND.

 

[Priceless]

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nothing comes easy. and nobody should expect to be given things.

those smaller teams want to compete? go out and get good players, play hard and smart, and beat up on nd, bu, bc, uhn when you play at their barns. be consistent, then you'll get the games at home on tv ('cept for mack... not sure tv cameras can fit in there )

It has nothing to do with how good you are. I doubt NBC is hiking up to the Whit or the Alfond. Rinks in Boston that they'll broadcast from include Kelley Rink, Agganis Arena and TD Banknorth Fleetcenter Whateveritisthisweek Garden.

 

[mookie1995]

I don't think anyone expects to be given things here (well, except ND as usual). Come on, you know it isn't easy for the small teams to compete/win. Anyway, if ND was already in the league, that'd be one thing. This is an unnecessary concession made by Hockey East. They didn't need to expand and they didn't need ND.

hockey eastofthemississippi was a bit rushed here, sure. but they were somewhat proactive. now say nd goes to ecac... they can claim academic prestige with the ivy's. get that same footprint in new england, as well as upstate ny. they still get that versus/nbc deal, because really, nobody is watching. but now they are showing games at harvard instead of from the other side of the tracks at haa D). or up from thompson (great rink) instead of conte. or at Q's instead of the bad tv lighting at uhn.

would that national exposure be enough to elevate the ecac teams to the current hea's level? maybe, maybe not. but why let them?

 

[BobF]

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The suggestion that ND is using HE preparatory to going to the BTHC verges on tinfoil hat territory. I'm not saying that ND in HE is the most stable arrangement, but I'm reasonably confident that (as I've already said) the Integer is not at the top of our conference destination list.


I believe the current contract expires in 2015. If ND is happy about the non-football situation (or if we can swing a similar arrangement to what we have now), I'd expect it to be renewed. By all appearances, Swarbrick has a very good working relationship with the sports folks at NBC.

Well I have been known to wear a number of hats. But every move ND has made in football and hoops has been about the almighty dollar! They are in the big east in hoops because of their contract with NBC in football. As a result of the Big 10's all or nothing agreement on joining the hoop team sought the best possible landing spot from a revenue standpoint. They did the same in hockey. Boston provides a better revenue opportunity than Grand Forks or Oxford right now. But Notre Dame is about Notre Dame, eventually their best interest in both Hockey and Basketball will lie in a partnership with the Big 10. Especially with the new alignment in Big East hoops, and even NBC when they renegotiate would much rather broadcast Notre Dame-Ohio State football, and not Notre Dame-Pitt or Air Force.

Call me cynical, but definitely not a tin foil hat. Look at BC's move a few years ago to ACC, it is about the money in college sports. Those of us who are passionate about college hockey are not accustomed to how these institutions are out for themselves with little regard for those around them. However at the esteemed institutions in South Bend and Chestnut Hill history tells us otherwise.

 

[sterlippo1]

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Which is why it was foolish hearing fans of the smaller HE teams endorse this move by the league.

Well, they would get to sell out a home game though..............great point by you as usual

 

[Craig P.]

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@BobF:

The tinfoil hat territory is suggesting that ND has pre-planned to dump Hockey East for the Integer down the road. I think the rest of your observations are largely accurate, though I think you give basketball too much credit. It's football, then everything else at ND—it's easier to find a good landing spot for basketball than it is for the remaining sports.

Also, there's more to it than just money. I'm fairly certain ND could have marginally improved the athletic department's revenue by jumping to the Integer when they went from eleven to twelve teams (though not as much as some possibly-planted stories in the media at the time suggested). The independence of the football team is fiercely guarded as part and parcel of its identity, as is ND's national reach. That's why I suggest that the Irish are more likely to land in the ACC or the XII than the Integer if such a move becomes necessary, although that may be projection of my own wishes rather than what Swarbrick and Jenkins really have in mind.

 

[ronmexico]

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There are rumors floating around over on the DU thread that they might jump ship and become the 12th member of Hockey East. I guess they are upset about the whole TV thing. Can anyone confirm this as a possibility???

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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There are rumors floating around over on the DU thread that they might jump ship and become the 12th member of Hockey East. I guess they are upset about the whole TV thing. Can anyone confirm this as a possibility???

Now that would be awesome.

 

[Priceless]

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There are rumors floating around over on the DU thread that they might jump ship and become the 12th member of Hockey East. I guess they are upset about the whole TV thing. Can anyone confirm this as a possibility???

Like we'd be interested.

Maybe they can try the WCHA.

 

[ND Hockey]

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There are rumors floating around over on the DU thread that they might jump ship and become the 12th member of Hockey East. I guess they are upset about the whole TV thing. Can anyone confirm this as a possibility???

By "rumors floating around over on the DU thread" you actually mean only one post on the subject, which you yourself authored.

 

[Priceless]

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By "rumors floating around over on the DU thread" you actually mean only one post on the subject, which you yourself authored.

You're trying to spoil his fun!

 

[mookie1995]

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there is a poster on here (name starts with "m" and rhymes with "dookie", who is nailing halle berry.

 

[ronmexico]

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By "rumors floating around over on the DU thread" you actually mean only one post on the subject, which you yourself authored.

keep that on the down low...

 

[bronconick]

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I've heard that Western's worked out a deal with the MAC football offices to play all their home football games in October while the hockey team plays road games so we can just put a rink in the center of Waldo Stadium. Bam! Biggest Arena in the NCHC. The lousy ice will be a home advantage.

Can anyone else confirm this?

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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I wonder if the NBC sports contract will make some of the larger schools think about Notre Dame as a non-conference foe that they don't mind having away non-con games for.

 

[ronmexico]

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I wonder if the NBC sports contract will make some of the larger schools think about Notre Dame as a non-conference foe that they don't mind having away non-con games for.

Probably. My opinion is if they don't return the favor no thanks. These are college hockey programs not prostitutes.

 

[J.D.]

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hockey eastofthemississippi was a bit rushed here, sure. but they were somewhat proactive. now say nd goes to ecac... they can claim academic prestige with the ivy's. get that same footprint in new england, as well as upstate ny. they still get that versus/nbc deal, because really, nobody is watching. but now they are showing games at harvard instead of from the other side of the tracks at haa D). or up from thompson (great rink) instead of conte. or at Q's instead of the bad tv lighting at uhn.

would that national exposure be enough to elevate the ecac teams to the current hea's level? maybe, maybe not. but why let them?

The problem with this is the ECAC was never an option. They have 12 teams and weren't interested in expanding. This was between an Eastern conference and a Midwestern/Western conference. Also, you gotta forget the fact that "nobody" watches. Again, this isn't about who doesn't watch. It's about who does.

Call me cynical, but definitely not a tin foil hat. Look at BC's move a few years ago to ACC, it is about the money in college sports. Those of us who are passionate about college hockey are not accustomed to how these institutions are out for themselves with little regard for those around them. However at the esteemed institutions in South Bend and Chestnut Hill history tells us otherwise.

Let's be real here, Bob. Like it or not, every school is looking out for themselves. If the little schools had the opportunities BC/ND had, they'd be doing the same thing.

The independence of the football team is fiercely guarded as part and parcel of its identity, as is ND's national reach. That's why I suggest that the Irish are more likely to land in the ACC or the XII than the Integer if such a move becomes necessary, although that may be projection of my own wishes rather than what Swarbrick and Jenkins really have in mind.

I'm not understanding you're reasoning as to why ND might go to the ACC over the Big Ten. I know it wouldn't be money because the Big Ten is better than the ACC in that regard, but are you saying ND would prefer the ACC because they're already well known in the Midwest? (seems to be what the hockey team ended up doing). Could it have anything to do with the ACC being easier to win in than the Big Ten?

 

[Hockey Dogg]

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It has nothing to do with how good you are. I doubt NBC is hiking up to the Whit or the Alfond. Rinks in Boston that they'll broadcast from include Kelley Rink, Agganis Arena and TD Banknorth Fleetcenter Whateveritisthisweek Garden.

Which would include, I presume, showing the Hockey East tournament on national TV. That is a good thing for all teams in the league, and it is something that all teams can use to gain exposure.

From NBC's perspective, this is all about the Notre Dame brand and offering more hockey programming. I agree with everyone who says that the ratings will be miniscule. However, this is not about reaching the SEC football fan and convincing him that he would love to see LSU - Alabama play an outdoor hockey game in Tuscaloosa some day. It is about reaching the 13 -14 year old elite hockey prospect anywhere in the US and showing them: a league that plays a high level of hockey; that sends players on the NHL; plays in NHL barns (the Gahden); and will allow their parents to watch a certain number of their games on TV.

I think this will be good for Hockey East, and really, if Notre Dame joins the ACC / Big 12 or some new football superconference that hasn't even been created yet, odds are good that it will still need a hockey conference. I have no inside information, but from all of the animosity / money grubbing / fighting, I believe that ND would rather fold it's football program than join the Intiger

 

[Craig P.]

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I'm not understanding you're reasoning as to why ND might go to the ACC over the Big Ten. I know it wouldn't be money because the Big Ten is better than the ACC in that regard, but are you saying ND would prefer the ACC because they're already well known in the Midwest? (seems to be what the hockey team ended up doing). Could it have anything to do with the ACC being easier to win in than the Big Ten?

The bolded is the reasoning of a number of alumni and fans. I don't know if the administration feels the same way; Jack Swarbrick is notoriously good at playing his cards close to the vest.