Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

[SteveO]

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

i guess I just feel bad that an association of research institutions and AAU members so pristine that the mere suggestion of associating with UConn is horrifying has to be shackled to the decaying educational corpse of the University of Nebraska, a non-AAU institution. I guess the Big Ten can take solace in the fact that UNL's traveling fan base helps sell out the stadiums that (inconsequentially to the goals and mandates of the Big Ten) Big Ten members use to play football and generate revenue in the fall.

From an insider faculty perspective, to stigmatize UNL as you have shows me how little you understand about how the AAU works. I would suggest you do some reading before you post.

 

[The Rube]

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Well, at the time it was considered part of their school. Now it's not. I don't make the rules. Take it up with the AAU.

Although DX is a friend of mine, we have many a heated discussion when it comes to things. And frankly, FDNY, you are in the wrong. DX knows his sh*. He may be an arse about it ( ) but he knows his sh*.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Probably. ASU or an existing Big Ten school starting up a program.

There's a chance of it being a different school like a UConn, but I think the smart money is on ASU.


Here's my post, verbatim, from February:

Here are my predictions:

50% Tier
1. ASU. Because it's new and shiny
2. Notre Dame. Because it makes sense to everyone involved.
-----25% Tier
3. Duluth - My line of thinking was the same as yours, it's under the umbrella.
-----5% Tier
4. UNO - Same line, but I think less so
-----.5% Tier
5. UConn - because why not :roll:
6. North Dakota
7. Mankato
8. Miami
-----.05% Tier
9. BC
10. BU

Edit: this was based on two teams joining. I would have also added 20-25% chance that an existing Big Ten member started up hockey. I have a secret wish to have Northwestern start up (I think they fit well) or Iowa. Would be nice to consistently kick the crap out of Iowa.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Although DX is a friend of mine, we have many a heated discussion when it comes to things. And frankly, FDNY, you are in the wrong. DX knows his sh*. He may be an arse about it ( ) but he knows his sh*.

I'm an arse but I'm giving out free hugs. Doesn't that count for something? .

 

[SteveO]

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I'm an arse but I'm giving out free hugs. Doesn't that count for something? .

 

[AMC]

Don't be jealous. My free hugs offer extends to you too.

Seriously though, don't take as a personal slight. You guys have a good undergrad program and seemingly good medical and law schools. You just aren't a research powerhouse and don't fit the brand.

I don't attend or have any ties to UConn. My undergrad alma mater has no illusions towards AAU membership, and my graduate alma mater is a proud member.

I am just curious as to why the Big Ten has any rules if they are gutless to enforce them?

 

[AMC]

From an insider faculty perspective, to stigmatize UNL as you have shows me how little you understand about how the AAU works. I would suggest you do some reading before you post.

I'm not stigmatizing UNL. I think it's a great school. I just don't understand why it gets the esteemed exemption from the Big Ten's AAU requirement and UConn is regarded as horse****.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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From an insider faculty perspective, to stigmatize UNL as you have shows me how little you understand about how the AAU works. I would suggest you do some reading before you post.

Agreed.

And this is classic.

spokesman for nonmember University of Connecticut called it "perhaps the most elite organization in higher education. You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a major research university that didn't want to be a member of the AAU.

From Wikipedia.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I'm not stigmatizing UNL. I think it's a great school. I just don't understand why it gets the esteemed exemption from the Big Ten's AAU requirement and UConn is regarded as horse****.

Horsesh** was your word, not mine.

Nebraska isn't going to get kicked out of the Big Ten athletically because it lost AAU membership. AAU membership is just an extremely important factor, however, it's not the only requirement.

It's not about enforcing rules or not. In order to gain admittance to the Big Ten and the CIC, a school must, at the time, be a member of the AAU. Barring extenuating circumstances. It's not a continuing requirement.

Edit: oh and I said UConn was a fine undergraduate school with a number of good to great post grad colleges.

 

[SteveO]

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I'm not stigmatizing UNL. I think it's a great school. I just don't understand why it gets the esteemed exemption from the Big Ten's AAU requirement and UConn is regarded as horse****.

Just a few minutes ago you characterized that "great school" as a "decaying educational corpse" which incidentally is an asinine comment. So it seems like you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing which I have no interest in. The situation with UNL is well documented and as I suggested do some "research". I'm not going to take the time to do that for you.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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OK - If Sean was right that HEA was the Great Eastern Schism, then I'll play Martin Luther and start a Reformation/Revolution.

Besides the annual Beanpot games with Harvard there were only 6 HE-ECAC games the first season (1984-85) after the split. In 85-86 there were only 5 games and in 86-87 just 2. There were 15 in 87-88; 28 in 88-89; 37 in 89-90 and 39 in 90-91. The leagues also agreed to hold their league tournaments together at the Garden in 1990, so relations were repaired, if not healed.

The NYS ECAC schools decide to form a league within the State. They poach RIT, Niagara and Canisius from AHA to form the ECHC with a 28 game conference schedule.

I think that is a great idea.

The ECAC wants to reconstitute by adding Army, AIC, Sacred Heart, Bentley, Holy Cross, and Air Force to go with the Ivy League, but since only one of these schools offer womens D1 ice hockey, the Ivy League goes at it alone.

Not likely as at this point the Ivy League teams are the ECAC and would probably just go it alone without trying to save the ECACHL.

The ECACHL joins the CCHA in the annals of leagues of fond memories.

It's my fantasy, smile and enjoy!

ECAC(HL) 1961-2017, R.I.P.

Sean

 

[MGoBlueHockey]

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Imagine North Dakota joining.

 

[AMC]

Agreed.

And this is classic.


From Wikipedia.

I'm not saying UConn should be in the AAU. I just hate hypocrisy. The Big Ten's bylaws apparently state that to be a member you have to be in the AAU. But for Nebraska there was a squint and an "eh good enough."

Even if Nebraska is a better research university than UConn ( probably is, don't care) you don't get to use "UConn doesn't fit as a research university because it isn't an AAU member" or "UConn isn't good enough as a research institution period." You've already taken an empirical standard for acceptability (AAU membership) and fudged it. Because you wanted Nebraska to join because it was good at football and brought a bunch of fans to the table. That's awesome. Just own that! Don't start saying "well Nebraska is only out of the AAU on a technicality..." Well, so is my alma mater (Maine). That technicality is that we don't do nearly enough graduate research.

Just tell UConn they can't join because their football team sucks and Storrs is tiny and Harftord is a sty and you already have a team in greater NYC. Don't lean on the AAU crutch you already broke. You fudged it once, you could again if you really wanted to. You just don't want to for UConn.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Unless I'm mistaken, UNL was an AAU member when the invitation was extended and even when they joined the conference officially. However, they were voted out like a month into Big Ten membership.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Imagine North Dakota joining.

Yeah, I mentioned that on GPL. Heads would explode and the backtracking would be nothing like we've ever seen.

It's not going to happen though.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Imagine North Dakota joining.

They would have to get rid of their hostile and abusive mascot first.

*sets gas can down, pulls fuse out, likes fuse, and then runs like Hell!!*

 

[AMC]

Just a few minutes ago you characterized that "great school" as a "decaying educational corpse" which incidentally is an asinine comment. So it seems like you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing which I have no interest in. The situation with UNL is well documented and as I suggested do some "research". I'm not going to take the time to do that for you.

I also called the members of the Big Ten "pristine" in the same sentence, which should have tipped you off that the entire thing was sarcasm.

I don't care who is in the AAU and who isn't. I just don't like that the Big Ten says it does when it doesn't want to admit UConn and doesn't care when it admits Nebraska. Just say Nebraska did more athletically and fiscally for the conference and be honest about it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Unless I'm mistaken, UNL was an AAU member when the invitation was extended and even when they joined the conference officially. However, they were voted out like a month into Big Ten membership.

Yeah, this has been mentioned and went unacknowledged (that looks misspelled but it's late).

But I want to say they were given the boot after the invite but before formal acceptance.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Unless I'm mistaken, UNL was an AAU member when the invitation was extended and even when they joined the conference officially. However, they were voted out like a month into Big Ten membership.

And no one in the B1G saw that vote coming?

Anyway, I'm waiting for the B1G to invite BU to join.

Sean

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I'm not saying UConn should be in the AAU. I just hate hypocrisy. The Big Ten's bylaws apparently state that to be a member you have to be in the AAU. But for Nebraska there was a squint and an "eh good enough."

Even if Nebraska is a better research university than UConn ( probably is, don't care) you don't get to use "UConn doesn't fit as a research university because it isn't an AAU member" or "UConn isn't good enough as a research institution period." You've already taken an empirical standard for acceptability (AAU membership) and fudged it. Because you wanted Nebraska to join because it was good at football and brought a bunch of fans to the table. That's awesome. Just own that! Don't start saying "well Nebraska is only out of the AAU on a technicality..." Well, so is my alma mater (Maine). That technicality is that we don't do nearly enough graduate research.


Just tell UConn they can't join because their football team sucks and Storrs is tiny and Harftord is a sty and you already have a team in greater NYC. Don't lean on the AAU crutch you already broke. You fudged it once, you could again if you really wanted to. You just don't want to for UConn.

No, UConn doesn't fit because it lacks AAU membership. It doesn't fit because it's not a a research powerhouse AND it's not an AAU member.

Oh, and the academics comes first in the big ten. If it was about athletics first it would look a lot different. Athletics earns maybe $100 million a year. Academics earns $1 billion or more a year in just grants.